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The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)

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  • thewolfboy
    thewolfboy Posts: 2,927
    What is so galling is knowing that we let Yann go for a song. Strikers like him are gold dust now.
  • JamesSeed said:

    Scoham said:

    Scoham said:

    It is always the same - what I find fascinating is why the bother actually bringing in some decent players, but never finishing the job and the squad is always missing somewhere which always gets exposed. Answers on a post card please!

    Roland's preference for a small squad to force academy players to get a chance, whether they're ready/good enough or not.
    I agree but it just adds to the mystery. Why allow KR the chance to get Reeves and Clarke. Just tell him to use Aribo
    We're always 1-3 players short. This year it's right back and up front where we're lacking cover. Last year Phillips, Konsa, Hanlan and eventually Aribo had to step up. Before that KAG and Kennedy were two thrown in too early.

    No coincidence they're often strikers, who are the most expensive players to sign.
    Agreed but your missing the point. Why bother making a squad at all only to leave us a few players short. Why not just not bother at all, ensure all the youngsters are being used
    Because that would be a really bad ide?
    Nothing RD likes better than a really bad idea.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374

    Scoham said:

    Scoham said:

    It is always the same - what I find fascinating is why the bother actually bringing in some decent players, but never finishing the job and the squad is always missing somewhere which always gets exposed. Answers on a post card please!

    Roland's preference for a small squad to force academy players to get a chance, whether they're ready/good enough or not.
    I agree but it just adds to the mystery. Why allow KR the chance to get Reeves and Clarke. Just tell him to use Aribo
    We're always 1-3 players short. This year it's right back and up front where we're lacking cover. Last year Phillips, Konsa, Hanlan and eventually Aribo had to step up. Before that KAG and Kennedy were two thrown in too early.

    No coincidence they're often strikers, who are the most expensive players to sign.
    Agreed but your missing the point. Why bother making a squad at all only to leave us a few players short. Why not just not bother at all, ensure all the youngsters are being used
    He probably knows that wouldn't work but thinks doing it this way will eventually?
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,976
    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why buy Ajose if he is and was shit?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    JohnnyH2 said:

    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why buy Ajose if he is and was shit?
    Computer said yessss :wink:
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,976
    JohnnyH2 said:

    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why buy Ajose if he is and was shit?
    Slide wanted him
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,699
    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    So who made the decisions to buy them in the first place?

    They are and always will be shit.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,418
    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    So Katrien is choosing player for Robinson's squad?
    And
    We sold Watt, for
    1) how much?
    2) where's the money?
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  • Amos on the wing
    Amos on the wing Posts: 1,802
    edited August 2017
    Swisdom said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why buy Ajose if he is and was shit?
    Slide wanted him
    Ajose was bought before Slade came to the club. He inherited him as part of the squad he took over
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    I thought Ajose was signed before Slade got the job no?
  • Amos on the wing
    Amos on the wing Posts: 1,802
    edited August 2017
    RedChaser said:

    I thought Ajose was signed before Slade got the job no?

    That's what I thought. Was speaking with a coach who knows Kevin Nugent who said Slade was never keen on Ajose
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    That doesn't mean it's good enough. Lessons had apparently been learnt.

    Last year Slade played 4-4-2 yet we started the season with Hanlan as our 4th choice striker. Previous years KAG and Kennedy were played before they were ready.

    This year it's RHFs turn. If Magennis and Novak are both out it's big ask for him to play as a lone striker in a team expecting to be challenging for promotion.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited August 2017

    RedChaser said:

    I thought Ajose was signed before Slade got the job no?

    That's what I thought.
    Great minds and all that, also I got the feeling after half a dozen games or so that Slade had to play him rather than wanted to play him.
  • RedChaser said:

    RedChaser said:

    I thought Ajose was signed before Slade got the job no?

    That's what I thought.
    Great minds and all that, also I got the feeling after half a dozen games or so that Slade had to play him rather wanted to play him.
    Ajose was bought by the club on the recommendation of Steve Head the then head of recruitment brought in by our wonderful CEO.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Swisdom said:

    JohnnyH2 said:

    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why buy Ajose if he is and was shit?
    Slide wanted him
    Who appointed Slade?
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    This seems familiar from an Everton forum:

    Everton need a striker that will deliver 20 goals a season otherwise they will struggle. Seventh place will be beyond them.
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    ross1 said:

    This seems familiar from an Everton forum:

    Everton need a striker that will deliver 20 goals a season otherwise they will struggle. Seventh place will be beyond them.

    The laziest whine any fan can have is "we need a striker."

  • Could Nick Blackman cut it in league one? Derby are looking to loan him out.

    He's unlikely to go to a Champ club following his loss of form at Derby but he did ok at clubs before that (remember him scoring and playing well vs us in the Championship when at Reading).
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  • ross1 said:

    This seems familiar from an Everton forum:

    Everton need a striker that will deliver 20 goals a season otherwise they will struggle. Seventh place will be beyond them.

    The laziest whine any fan can have is "we need a striker."

    Just as well, then, that some of us think we could well need two....


    I'd hate for any of my whines to be disparaged as lazy.
  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,338

    ross1 said:

    This seems familiar from an Everton forum:

    Everton need a striker that will deliver 20 goals a season otherwise they will struggle. Seventh place will be beyond them.

    The laziest whine any fan can have is "we need a striker."

    Yeah but this isn't quite your average Premier League fan moaning..


    - We sold an attacker for circa £7m.
    - We gave away three strikers
    - We only have two senior strikers at the club.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885

    Could Nick Blackman cut it in league one? Derby are looking to loan him out.

    He's unlikely to go to a Champ club following his loss of form at Derby but he did ok at clubs before that (remember him scoring and playing well vs us in the Championship when at Reading).

    Good shout, he was mustard for Reading in the games I've seen him in. Didn't he play wide left though? Mind you Johnny Summers was a left winger but weren't too shabby at centre forward.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    JamesSeed said:

    Scoham said:

    Scoham said:

    It is always the same - what I find fascinating is why the bother actually bringing in some decent players, but never finishing the job and the squad is always missing somewhere which always gets exposed. Answers on a post card please!

    Roland's preference for a small squad to force academy players to get a chance, whether they're ready/good enough or not.
    I agree but it just adds to the mystery. Why allow KR the chance to get Reeves and Clarke. Just tell him to use Aribo
    We're always 1-3 players short. This year it's right back and up front where we're lacking cover. Last year Phillips, Konsa, Hanlan and eventually Aribo had to step up. Before that KAG and Kennedy were two thrown in too early.

    No coincidence they're often strikers, who are the most expensive players to sign.
    Agreed but your missing the point. Why bother making a squad at all only to leave us a few players short. Why not just not bother at all, ensure all the youngsters are being used
    Because that would be a really bad idea?
    But that doesn't bother him surely. I just don't see the point in nearly building a squad. Have a go or don't bother at all.

    We all know RD wants to put the youngsters in the shop withdow but he's actually blocked that with some of his signings.

    He's a bizarre man that's for sure.
  • OhEddieYouds
    OhEddieYouds Posts: 744
    edited August 2017
    Blackman can play as a winger or a striker (which could be ideal as that was the bonus with Mavididi). He ticks alot of the boxes. 6ft 2. Pacey. He would definitely give us another alternative option/style to what we have with our other forwards.
  • Ajose would have thrived with our current players in a 442 system. Holmes/Marshall/Fosu out wide would have given him lots of chances as well as what came through central midfield from Kashi/KFC/Reeves. It's so odd we let him go, especially if we need to change up tactics (though KR is set in his 4231 ways) and especially as it's to a divisional rival.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,878
    edited August 2017
    Swisdom said:

    Roland didn't release players.

    Katrien wanted Watt out. "Why should we keep giving him chances when he hasn't showed up for two years - the problem is nobody wants to buy him"

    Safe to say when we said "we had plenty of interest in him but the offer had to be right for us" it meant we wanted to sell him not loan him again.

    Ajose is, was and will continue to be shit.
    Vetojele is currently and constantly is injured.

    Yes we are light on strikers but we are no weaker than we've been for ages.

    Why does she get to say whether watt stayed or not? Why would she want him gone? I really hope he did sing we want Roland out in front of her and I hope he sung it when he left the building too
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330

    Could Nick Blackman cut it in league one? Derby are looking to loan him out.

    He's unlikely to go to a Champ club following his loss of form at Derby but he did ok at clubs before that (remember him scoring and playing well vs us in the Championship when at Reading).

    Should this not be on the striker thread and not on the Roland out one?