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Two versions of the same song or should I say Herbie Hancock's bass line. Listen without prejudice and say which you prefer and why.
The original tale of the sleazy side of NYC from the immortal Lou Reed from 1972 or the 1990 sampled cover, also very much New York, by new school hip hop artists a Tribe Called Quest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_JwgIM-y4
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Still amazed that the line "And she never lost her head, even when she was giving head" was played on 1970s BBC
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Lou Reed all day long.
I'm a huge Lou/Velvets fan, one of my top five artists but I really like the TCQ version which us why it makes a good cover to cover imho
Lou Reeds version is much better by the way.
Guess this is thieving crap as well?
My point is this, and this is where Im at, any artist that samples, steals the heart or riff of a song, and just adds their own lyrics, or turns it into a car crash by adding (mixing) a different drum patten and then passes it off as their own work is a musical thief, they should just write their own stuff, but they cant, why, because maybe they dont have the creative intelligence.
Its a bit like copying DaVinchi's Mona Lisa and popping a hat on her and saying, 'this is mine, I created this', just because you like it doesn't make it an original quality piece of art/music.
My somewhat vague point is sampling was around well before Hip Hop ever came about. Many people are quick to compartmentalise Hip Hop as a 'collection of shit noise with talentless fools jabbering over the top'. There are many, many complex and innovative Hip Hop albums out there, just because the music is not to your taste does not mean the artists are not talented or the music is shit.
I don't agree with Greenie and I agree that people have been ripping off others riffs, tunes etc for ages (Loads of Led Zepp is ripped off and uncredited).
Also Tomorrow Never Knows had nothing sampled on it, It was written by Lennon, and as far as I know all the instruments were played by the band and/or George Martin. It also had 5 loops on it, but those loops were created by the band and/or sound engineer. The Sitar was played by Harrison, sampling wasn't around then (as we know it), the artists had to create the sounds themselves and because they had the creative talent, they could.
When all said and done, I do find it interesting how different people see music, it is emotive but ultimately subjective. And apologies for hijacking the thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYiEesMbe2I
Or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le51jB37Fro
The Beatles example is probably not the best as the sampled tape loops of music they maybe wrote themselves? My point is sampling (stealing) music is not just a Hip Hop specific thing. John Lennon did 'sample' the lyrics from crazy book called the Tibetan book of the dead though - guess John Lennon had no creative intelligence for doing that though.
George Harrison stated that the idea for the lyrics came from Leary, Alpert, and Metzler's book.
Your last line is just a bit childish, bottom line for me is dont steal other peoples musical ideas, dont steal them and put them together with a patented drum beat (incidentally made by a machine) and pass them off as your own, just so you have a vehicle for your own lyrics, if they do then they have no credibility, they only impress the easily impressed.
http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/2/5/150081
BTW - Im not a huge Beatles fan, however their legacy to popular music can never be undone.
This reddit thread argues my points better than I could:
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1k2sc2/sampling_music_is_stealing_cmv/
The Reddit article is interesting, if an artist agrees that another artist can sample some of his/her work, then thats up to them, as long as they get the royalties and credits on the album, of course however, in a lot of cases they dont, and maybe cant afford court time to get said royalties and recognition. Consequently a lot of fans dont realise that their fav Hip Hop artist is not really what they purport to be.....and when its pointed out, they get all defensive.
At the risk of sounding patronising (I'm not) thanks for the debate, its been interesting hearing another POV.