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Training ground upgrade
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SL needs investment just for what's there already, that thread on SL earlier this week reminded me, that the main building isn't much different then the one we moved into in 1988. That money needs spending regardless, the wider investment in a cat academy can wait, or you take the Brentford approach.
Both assets need upgrading to a decent standard, do you spend the money now, or when you get promoted?0 -
Rothko said:SL needs investment just for what's there already, that thread on SL earlier this week reminded me, that the main building isn't much different then the one we moved into in 1988. That money needs spending regardless, the wider investment in a cat academy can wait, or you take the Brentford approach.
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Sparrows Lane really does need a bit of TCL and an upgrade on general facilities, that is for sure. It’s very tired and looks old. Of course a new building would be perfect and we will need that in future, but that will have to come with a full training ground upgrade. You would hope that TS can negotiate that the price remains the same should he pay for that development.
Category 1 status, I believe, will be important for the club moving forward and should be seriously thought about once we are back in the Championship. Clubs around us in London have category 1 status and we will be left behind in terms of attracting and keeping hold of the best young players. Our reputation helps massively, but being able to keep hold of them and with quality coaches can be the difference between producing a Lapslie and a Gallagher, and I mean no disrespect to Lapslie at all.0 -
The training ground upgrade isn't just about the academy, just as importantly better facilities will benefit the first team0
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Airman Brown said:Rothko said:SL needs investment just for what's there already, that thread on SL earlier this week reminded me, that the main building isn't much different then the one we moved into in 1988. That money needs spending regardless, the wider investment in a cat academy can wait, or you take the Brentford approach.
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Sage said:Sparrows Lane really does need a bit of TCL and an upgrade on general facilities, that is for sure. It’s very tired and looks old. Of course a new building would be perfect and we will need that in future, but that will have to come with a full training ground upgrade. You would hope that TS can negotiate that the price remains the same should he pay for that development.
Category 1 status, I believe, will be important for the club moving forward and should be seriously thought about once we are back in the Championship. Clubs around us in London have category 1 status and we will be left behind in terms of attracting and keeping hold of the best young players. Our reputation helps massively, but being able to keep hold of them and with quality coaches can be the difference between producing a Lapslie and a Gallagher, and I mean no disrespect to Lapslie at all.0 -
Rothko said:Airman Brown said:Rothko said:SL needs investment just for what's there already, that thread on SL earlier this week reminded me, that the main building isn't much different then the one we moved into in 1988. That money needs spending regardless, the wider investment in a cat academy can wait, or you take the Brentford approach.
Both assets need upgrading to a decent standard, do you spend the money now, or when you get promoted?0 -
killerandflash said:Rothko said:Airman Brown said:Rothko said:SL needs investment just for what's there already, that thread on SL earlier this week reminded me, that the main building isn't much different then the one we moved into in 1988. That money needs spending regardless, the wider investment in a cat academy can wait, or you take the Brentford approach.
Both assets need upgrading to a decent standard, do you spend the money now, or when you get promoted?0 -
Some very interesting and knowledgeable views on this thread. @AirmanBrown A question. The capital costs of building the infrastructure at SL, thus bringing up to at least Championship standard would cost x amount. I have no idea what x is. That would at least allow the clubs academy as is, to continue function and produce the amount of players we currently see and benefit from. SL upgraded would also massively benefit the senior aspects of the club. It strikes me that laying those foundations and not perhaps yet seeking Cat 1 would provide essential long term benefits and provide the base for Cat 1 if and when. Let’s assume the capital cost is £5 million. Even, as you posted earlier we are producing saleable youngsters under current conditions. One Joe Gomez could swallow those capital costs. I see a redevelopment of SL as Henry does. Absolutely essential to the TS plan. In fact his plan will fall over without it. I think development now based on capital cost only with no intention of seeking Cat 1 until required completely stacks up as a business case. Or am I missing something.0
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I agree with the concern.
Why would RD spend any (significant) money on either of them? And why would TS spend any (significant) money on them either if there wasn't some sort of future purchase already agreed?
Feels like both the training ground and The Valley are in a bit of purgatory away from general maintenance etc.0 -
There's no real need to spend on expanding the Valley in the next 10 years I would reckon, 27,000 is probably about right, the missing revenue is on the low quality of hospitality provision, and it depends what you do to sort that out. Move the club offices out of The Valley to a shiny rented office next to the O2 and make space work better in the West stand?0
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ShootersHillGuru said:Some very interesting and knowledgeable views on this thread. @AirmanBrown A question. The capital costs of building the infrastructure at SL, thus bringing up to at least Championship standard would cost x amount. I have no idea what x is. That would at least allow the clubs academy as is, to continue function and produce the amount of players we currently see and benefit from. SL upgraded would also massively benefit the senior aspects of the club. It strikes me that laying those foundations and not perhaps yet seeking Cat 1 would provide essential long term benefits and provide the base for Cat 1 if and when. Let’s assume the capital cost is £5 million. Even, as you posted earlier we are producing saleable youngsters under current conditions. One Joe Gomez could swallow those capital costs. I see a redevelopment of SL as Henry does. Absolutely essential to the TS plan. In fact his plan will fall over without it. I think development now based on capital cost only with no intention of seeking Cat 1 until required completely stacks up as a business case. Or am I missing something.
An optimistic business plan could surely make the commercials stack up, if long term security could be negotiated.0 -
Addickted said:Potholes.
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Dippenhall said:ShootersHillGuru said:Some very interesting and knowledgeable views on this thread. @AirmanBrown A question. The capital costs of building the infrastructure at SL, thus bringing up to at least Championship standard would cost x amount. I have no idea what x is. That would at least allow the clubs academy as is, to continue function and produce the amount of players we currently see and benefit from. SL upgraded would also massively benefit the senior aspects of the club. It strikes me that laying those foundations and not perhaps yet seeking Cat 1 would provide essential long term benefits and provide the base for Cat 1 if and when. Let’s assume the capital cost is £5 million. Even, as you posted earlier we are producing saleable youngsters under current conditions. One Joe Gomez could swallow those capital costs. I see a redevelopment of SL as Henry does. Absolutely essential to the TS plan. In fact his plan will fall over without it. I think development now based on capital cost only with no intention of seeking Cat 1 until required completely stacks up as a business case. Or am I missing something.
An optimistic business plan could surely make the commercials stack up, if long term security could be negotiated.0 -
I have no idea what the lead time would be from TS saying "let's upgrade SL to cat 1/premier league level" to having SL at cat 1/premier league level but I am guessing it would years not months?
Do you plan to start work upon promotion to the championship? What then happens if you get relegated again, do you just down tools and stop work?
I don't think it even makes financial sense if your a championship club because any increase in revenue will be swallowed up in wages. I doubt may championship clubs make enough operating profit to finance a CAPEX of that amount?
You either want to spend the money, or you don't. In truth it's probably how much less you'll have to put in down the line, not how much extra you'll get back.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:I have no idea what the lead time would be from TS saying "let's upgrade SL to cat 1/premier league level" to having SL at cat 1/premier league level but I am guessing it would years not months?
Do you plan to start work upon promotion to the championship? What then happens if you get relegated again, do you just down tools and stop work?
I don't think it even makes financial sense if your a championship club because any increase in revenue will be swallowed up in wages. I doubt may championship clubs make enough operating profit to finance a CAPEX of that amount?
You either want to spend the money, or you don't. In truth it's probably how much less you'll have to put in down the line, not how much extra you'll get back.0 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Cafc43v3r said:I have no idea what the lead time would be from TS saying "let's upgrade SL to cat 1/premier league level" to having SL at cat 1/premier league level but I am guessing it would years not months?
Do you plan to start work upon promotion to the championship? What then happens if you get relegated again, do you just down tools and stop work?
I don't think it even makes financial sense if your a championship club because any increase in revenue will be swallowed up in wages. I doubt may championship clubs make enough operating profit to finance a CAPEX of that amount?
You either want to spend the money, or you don't. In truth it's probably how much less you'll have to put in down the line, not how much extra you'll get back.
The profit on selling young players is needed to subsidise the operating loss, which whatever anyone tells you is not going away. You can’t spend it twice!0