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Old Valley fencing dating required please

TellyTubby
TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
in General Charlton
I have a section of fence that I bought (yes really) from the workers who were brought in to tidy the ground before construction back in 1990?

It is a section of the old railings that were up during our most successful spell and was taken from the terracing alongside the main stand in the NW corner.

I am thinking about tidying it up and finding a suitable place in my garden. I want to give it a plaque (I don't care if you think its sad BTW) to indicate where it came from and when it might have been installed at The Valley.

Do any of our knowledgeable Lifers know this please? Perhaps @Henry Irving ?
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  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,660
    I don't know when it was installed but for the Plaque, Davis Architectural in Anchor and hope lane are making some signs for me, i'll let you know what they're like.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    TellyTubby said:

    I have a section of fence that I bought (yes really) from the workers who were brought in to tidy the ground before construction back in 1990?

    It is a section of the old railings that were up during our most successful spell and was taken from the terracing alongside the main stand in the NW corner.

    I am thinking about tidying it up and finding a suitable place in my garden. I want to give it a plaque (I don't care if you think its sad BTW) to indicate where it came from and when it might have been installed at The Valley.

    Do any of our knowledgeable Lifers know this please? Perhaps @Henry Irving ?

    CLB74 is your man.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    @clb74 Is this so, can you help please?
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,827
    Hi telly I'm afraid not Elfsborg s attempt at a joke.
    Elfs when someone's trying to find out some information is there a need to mess about.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,261
    Is this the interlocking arched metal pitchside fencing?

    Other than saying the obvious that it should be in a Museum I would guess that it was install ed 1930s when the east stand was developed.

    A photo would be great as we can then look back at old ground pictures.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    edited June 2017
    This probably shows my but if fence in situ. My guess was the 30's.

    I wouldn't want to deprive the museum but you will have to wait until my passing and then maybe that of mrs TT too. I will update my will.

    In the words of Charlton Heston about his piece of valley fence:
    "Pry it from my cold dead hands"
    Well I think it was about his fence anyway.
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  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    Wheresmeticket? said:

    I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?

    You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    TellyTubby said:

    Wheresmeticket? said:

    I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?

    You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.
    That's what I thought, though either way fair play to you. (I quite like the idea of someone having crowd control fencing in their back garden).
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    clb74 said:

    Hi telly I'm afraid not Elfsborg s attempt at a joke.
    Elfs when someone's trying to find out some information is there a need to mess about.

    I am very sorry.

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  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    Wheresmeticket? said:

    TellyTubby said:

    Wheresmeticket? said:

    I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?

    You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.
    That's what I thought, though either way fair play to you. (I quite like the idea of someone having crowd control fencing in their back garden).
    I only wanted the historic bit but I couldn't have got the big fencing in my Morris 1000 van.

    I was keen to get something as from 1985 my bit of grass had died and my seat was left on the bus cos I had a couple of sherberts after the game.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Henry already has the asbestos sheet roofing panels from the Covered End in the museum.

    If you visit, you can't miss him. He's the one with the face mask.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,371
    Wheresmeticket? said:

    I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?

    I see that that stuff is catalogued on page 12 of "Fencing Morons In Monthly", part number Spanna1978
  • stockportugaladdick
    stockportugaladdick Posts: 1,141
    The railings are clearly in place on the uncovered covered end in 1923 as shown on this film clip...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOK3bfMAbw

    It is hard to tell from the film if the railings carried on round to the NW terrace. However, the film shows the railings in place to the front of the West stand so it figures they would have been installed on that terrace as well.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,344
    Henry Irving said:

    Is this the interlocking arched metal pitchside fencing?

    Other than saying the obvious that it should be in a Museum I would guess that it was install ed 1930s when the east stand was developed.

    A photo would be great as we can then look back at old ground pictures.

    Do you mean when the east terrace was developed or when the west stand was developed?
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    More like mid-1960s or 1970s railings. Similar railings were (and are) used in public parks (especially around childrens playgrounds). I doubt that the ones in the photo date as far back as the 1930s. Much metalwork was removed during WWII.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    stockportaddick said:

    The railings are clearly in place on the uncovered covered end in 1923 as shown on this film clip...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOK3bfMAbw

    It is hard to tell from the film if the railings carried on round to the NW terrace. However, the film shows the railings in place to the front of the West stand so it figures they would have been installed on that terrace as well.

    TK is currently reviewing the video to work out who he can ban for attempted pitch invasion.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,687
    got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.

    touché
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    golfaddick said:

    got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.

    touché

    Well don't leave it there. I am sure we all want to know your story now.
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Were the railings replaced or was the perimeter wall built around them to secure them and make them safer?


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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,261
    So do you have a photo of your bit of fencing?
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,201
    golfaddick said:

    got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.

    touché

    She must have misunderstood what you meant when you asked if you could get touchy-feely with your épée.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    edited June 2017
    You still can't have it yet @Henry Irving image
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,261
    It's yours so keep it. Just good to know it exists and is being looked after. Remember us in your will though :wink:

    I think that is post-Bolton 1923 wall collapse, as seen on the video.

    Can I tweet the pic on @chathmuseum
  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,409
    Good photo Telly Tubby. An old friend of ours also has some of the fencing also likes hamburgers maybe he could help you.
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,728
    You should get an idea if you look at the world war photo that appears on this site from time to time, but I am unable to find it.
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,120
    For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
    Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    Redskin said:

    For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
    Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...

    Fair point but it is deteriorating. I wonder how long it will last if not treated.

    It has been painted many times in its lifetime to keep it from oxidising and smart.

    I will give your suggestion serious consideration. My gut feeling is that deteriation needs to be halted.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,261
    TellyTubby said:

    Redskin said:

    For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
    Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...

    Fair point but it is deteriorating. I wonder how long it will last if not treated.

    It has been painted many times in its lifetime to keep it from oxidising and smart.

    I will give your suggestion serious consideration. My gut feeling is that deteriation needs to be halted.
    Best to not leave it outside or better still speak to professional restoration experts about what it can be sprayed/treated with to preserve it in its current state.

    PS OK to tweet the pick?

    How much did it cost you in 1990?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,261
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