What worries me about this drift back and the fact they there are no longer any protests is that it looks as if we were just a bunch of fickle football fas and that what we really cared about all along was results on the pitch. To me it was so much more that. It was about having an owner that does't care for competitive sport, a CEO who is incompetent, management who have verbally abused fans and who hired bully boys who did the job physically. It was about an ownership totally incongruent to the history and values of our club. Nothing's changed for me. I hate this regime. I'm not coming back until they are gone.
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
I think it's 4. Elfsborg, Stig, Eaststandmike & Chizz
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
I think it's 4. Elfsborg, Stig, Eaststandmike & Chizz
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
I think it's 4. Elfsborg, Stig, Eaststandmike & Chizz
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
How small? What proportion of the thousands that have stopped buying season tickets are in the category "not going again until they're gone"?
Like you and everyone else, I don't know. But just on my own experiences of people I know and observing this forum and Twitter, I think it's quite a small number.
People have drifted away in their thousands over the last few years mainly because the turn out on the pitch has been consistently poor and been magnified by the off the field problems. But those that fall into the 'that's it, never again till their gone' camp I think is relatively small (i.e. in their tens not hundreds).
Just my view, maybe wrong
Sorry, I thought you might have had some kind of survey data and that CACT or @Airman Brown might have had some insight.
Can't argue with your perception. But mine is that it's very much more than tens or hundreds.
People didn't drift away - they walked in 2016, not renewing 4,000 STs. The motives will be complex but we know that they are thousands behind 2009, 2010 and 2011 in this division - despite offering a silly price in the lower north. So it's reasonable to assume there is a substantial refusal to buy based on more than L1 football, well into four figures.
I don't have and won't buy a season ticket, but I am not boycotting. The number of home fans in the ground suggests that many others are.
Respect to those who make the ultimate footballing sacrifice by not going , I hold them in high esteem.
If I wasn't brainwashing my 4 boys , I'd like to think I'd be taking the moral high ground (easy to say when I'm going !)
I may be going but I'm not gonna be thanking our owners at any point because they deserve fuck all with their shoddy behaviour and pisstake of us fans .
Others can ignore the previous circus like activities from our owners and sing from the rooftops cos we have a team that may get promoted from League One but fuck that I mean who can I take the piss out of on footballing terms . I don't know any Gills fans and we are rivals with millwall and palace and they are a league and two above us , shameful times .
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
I'm hoping I'm dyed in the wool. I haven't seen my RIP thread anyway.
The credit for the team and the way we are playing is all down to Robbo. He has been given a pittance to do this and done a superb job in the circumstances.
Hope it isn't against my better judgement but I am once again a season ticket holder. I've really enjoyed the start to the season and have persuaded myself that this is for me and not for Roland. Have to say the ticket office were first class. Discounted the game I've already paid for and done and dusted in five minutes. We travel hopefully.......
You are a sillybilly;)
But as the transfer window showed, Roly clearly doesn't want to get his purse out to cement the promising signs the team are showing. Had he done that, then I may well have been joining you.
I think RD has facilitated an excellent squad at a reasonable cost, surely better than having a comparable squad that may have added millions to the debt ?
I honestly believe we went for Grigg, Taylor and had a deal agreed for Godden, only for Stevenage to welch on the deal and massively hike the price on deadline day. So I'll respectfully disagree, in as much as I think we've done excellent value business and the fact that we didn't get our final striker was down to Stevenage and not us.
I may be wrong, but that's what I believe, based on everything I've read.
I'm certainly not knocking the recruits definitely a positive step.
Getting rid of Novak and Crofts, did they want to go, probably or did KR have to reduce the wages?
Dodoo not who we were hoping for but maybe brought in as a token gesture, but may turn out to be a goodun.
We all know the squad is thin, a couple more decent bodies brought in, could perhaps make all the difference.
Admittedly we've got Marshall and Reeves to come in.
If people are rushing back and purchasing Season tickets, why have the club not announced how many have been sold?
A good news story?
I think you'd actually need to have people rushing back to buy a season ticket in order to announce it as a good news story.
Mind you the club have form for out-North Koreaing North Korea in the propaganda stakes, so if they did suggest fans had got a rush on to buy ST's few would probably believe it! ;-)
I said I wouldn't go again until they're gone, but my brother turns 18 at the start of Jan, and the idea of being able to have a half season ticket with him, actually see Charlton do well, and go to the pub beforehand might be too much for me to resist.
I think people hugely overestimate the number of fans who are 'boycotting', and in turn the depth of the 'never go again until they are gone' crew.
To get to the latter its the most extreme of reaction, generally one of the responses of those who also love the club the most to then generate such an angry response. It seems magnified because these people are died in the wool fans and more likely to be active on social media.
But the actual number that fall under this category are relatively small in the grand scheme of themes
You are probably right, gates last season show a 4000? drop on our previous average.
If will be very interesting to see what we average this season.
I said I wouldn't go again until they're gone, but my brother turns 18 at the start of Jan, and the idea of being able to have a half season ticket with him, actually see Charlton do well, and go to the pub beforehand might be too much for me to resist.
The above shows there is no right or wrong to attending/non-attending.
So many people get the chance to see friends or relatives on a Saturday when they would not otherwise.
who can I take the piss out of on footballing terms . I don't know any Gills fans and we are rivals with millwall and palace and they are a league and two above us , shameful times .
I doubt anyone really thinks Arsenal won't turn it around (though it could be fun in the meantime) but for fans of Palace and West Ham who could be playing us next season this season could be a nightmare to be around Charlton fans on a daily basis and I aim to not disappoint them.
who can I take the piss out of on footballing terms . I don't know any Gills fans and we are rivals with millwall and palace and they are a league and two above us , shameful times .
I doubt anyone really thinks Arsenal won't turn it around (though it could be fun in the meantime) but for fans of Palace and West Ham who could be playing us next season this season could be a nightmare to be around Charlton fans on a daily basis and I aim to not disappoint them.
Yeah imagine the shame of losing 0-5 against Man City in format of 25k or 60k at home and the first thing you get at work on Monday morning is a Charlton fan properly giving it cos they've just whooped Rochdale 3-0 at home in front of 10k . First question they may ask is what division are Charlton in ?
who can I take the piss out of on footballing terms . I don't know any Gills fans and we are rivals with millwall and palace and they are a league and two above us , shameful times .
I doubt anyone really thinks Arsenal won't turn it around (though it could be fun in the meantime) but for fans of Palace and West Ham who could be playing us next season this season could be a nightmare to be around Charlton fans on a daily basis and I aim to not disappoint them.
Yeah imagine the shame of losing 0-5 against Man City in format of 25k or 60k at home and the first thing you get at work on Monday morning is a Charlton fan properly giving it cos they've just whooped Rochdale 3-0 at home in front of 10k . First question they may ask is what division are Charlton in ?
Just a wild guess here but are you one of those people that work from home with no daily face to face contact with fans of other clubs ?
I do work at home but I'm in constant contact with other football fans through work and did previously work with loads of football fans and continually dismissed palace and millwall fans from conversations when we were high flying in the prem.
I just don't feel I can take the piss out of a palace fan or West Ham fan regarding football matters when we are in the dog and duck league , FairPlay if you do but they must be proper lame fans if they would even entertain a League One muppet trying to give it about beating nobody FC .
5 matches into a 46 game season isn't enough for me personally, granted we've made a good start but we are thin, IF a couple of injuries were to happen i don't now how we would get on, i also don't believe we will win the league, 2nd possibly but i think we will get playoffs.
however a friend is away so using his season ticket on Saturday, may purchase something in the ground but the way i see it its better to spend £5 on a pie and a pint instead of £20.00 on a match ticket, or £325 over a season which is what my old seat would of cost.
I Don't think the circus upstairs have learnt a thing or will ever change - can you really see this guy spending money in the championship ( relegated by xmas i feel ), just think they have got v lucky with karl and some of the players turning out alright.
letting 3 strikers go and getting someone in on loan till January who was surplus to requirements in a rangers side, when our main striker is a regular international says a LOT imo.
5 matches into a 46 game season isn't enough for me personally, granted we've made a good start but we are thin, IF a couple of injuries were to happen i don't now how we would get on, i also don't believe we will win the league, 2nd possibly but i think we will get playoffs.
however a friend is away so using his season ticket on Saturday, may purchase something in the ground but the way i see it its better to spend £5 on a pie and a pint instead of £20.00 on a match ticket, or £325 over a season which is what my old seat would of cost.
I Don't think the circus upstairs have learnt a thing or will ever change - can you really see this guy spending money in the championship ( relegated by xmas i feel ), just think they have got v lucky with karl and some of the players turning out alright.
letting 3 strikers go and getting someone in on loan till January who was surplus to requirements in a rangers side, when our main striker is a regular international says a LOT imo.
This ... But hey, the balance sheet is starting to look better
Thought so. Rule one of working with colleagues. If their team lost they are fair game. I bet there are even Leyton orient fans giving it large to West Ham fans at the moment. Trying to fall back on the league you are in if it is higher than the other team is a weakness that provokes scorn and more piss taking.
I bought season tickets for myself and my 11 yr old yesterday (East Stand this time). I wasn't going to, but the football I've seen this year has made me think it's going to be hard to stay away.
It's a tricky decision for many, in particular those who are boycotting.
[Apologies for reposting this from a different thread, but I think it's more relevant in this one. And apologies for banging on about Jimmy Seed again]
To @mascot88@ElfsborgAddick and many others [who are staying away], I just say this. I was brought up supporting Millwall because of the way the owners of the club treated Jimmy Seed. Later on I followed Millwall, Spurs, Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton (JS's clubs) and QPR (because I lived close to Loftus Rd). But I always knew that Charlton was the club he cared most about (and it was our 'family club') but I knew they let him down, so steered clear of full support. In that time I wrote the short book about his time at Charlton, but only very rarely went to matches. I was basically letting the behaviour of owners of the club (who are NOT the club) spoil my enjoyment of football for more than 40 years! It took the death of my mum (who always loved Charlton) to flick a switch somewhere and the rest is (recent) history. Much as I'm enjoying bringing the family back into the fold, I can't help feeling gutted at the great times and emotions missed. I enjoyed the play-off final from afar, but I wasn't there. I was delighted about the return to the Valley, but I wasn't there. I cheated myself out of great times and great memories. I trying to make up for lost time now. You guys are true Charlton fans and I totally respect your motives for staying away. But the old club is not Duchatelet and Meire. Don't let them take away your great times. Great occasions missed will be missed forever. Life is very short.
I weakened at the start of the season and got a S/T in the Lower North. As Airman says, it is silly money. I figured if I was going to go to 10-12 games this season I would be better off. I don't have a lot of spare cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I think this is true for most people in that position. (Of course if there was an organised boycott, I'd reconsider. I want them out.)
My experience of the massive drop in sales of season tickets from where I used to sit in the Family stand was that all the people around me didn't renew for different reasons, but the dire football combined with other personal circumstances (moves, distance, ill health) was enough of an additional factor for people to think "I don't need this any more". I've seen a few of them last season - one renewed Lower North but I've not seen him this year yet. One started going to watch his grandson play. There isn't an organised boycott of season tickets - there's a mass of individual decisions that turned into an avalanche because the Club was inept in so many different ways. In one sense, this is a stronger message to the owner and his minions - it's not just people pissed off with the obvious outward incompetence; plenty have gone because of the failure to entertain. Whether the failure to entertain is addressed by the luck of appointing Robinson, or deliberately, doesn't really matter. It's so much more entertaining, to the point that I am looking to blow out something else so I can go to Wigan home.
Thought so. Rule one of working with colleagues. If their team lost they are fair game. I bet there are even Leyton orient fans giving it large to West Ham fans at the moment. Trying to fall back on the league you are in if it is higher than the other team is a weakness that provokes scorn and more piss taking.
Yep my Sunday League team went undefeated for the whole season winning the league and cup , you should have seen the Arsenal fans quivering after they'd drawn at Stoke once I bowled in to the office on a Monday morning
I bought season tickets for myself and my 11 yr old yesterday (East Stand this time). I wasn't going to, but the football I've seen this year has made me think it's going to be hard to stay away.
It's a tricky decision for many, in particular those who are boycotting.
[Apologies for reposting this from a different thread, but I think it's more relevant in this one. And apologies for banging on about Jimmy Seed again]
To @mascot88@ElfsborgAddick and many others [who are staying away], I just say this. I was brought up supporting Millwall because of the way the owners of the club treated Jimmy Seed. Later on I followed Millwall, Spurs, Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton (JS's clubs) and QPR (because I lived close to Loftus Rd). But I always knew that Charlton was the club he cared most about (and it was our 'family club') but I knew they let him down, so steered clear of full support. In that time I wrote the short book about his time at Charlton, but only very rarely went to matches. I was basically letting the behaviour of owners of the club (who are NOT the club) spoil my enjoyment of football for more than 40 years! It took the death of my mum (who always loved Charlton) to flick a switch somewhere and the rest is (recent) history. Much as I'm enjoying bringing the family back into the fold, I can't help feeling gutted at the great times and emotions missed. I enjoyed the play-off final from afar, but I wasn't there. I was delighted about the return to the Valley, but I wasn't there. I cheated myself out of great times and great memories. I trying to make up for lost time now. You guys are true Charlton fans and I totally respect your motives for staying away. But the old club is not Duchatelet and Meire. Don't let them take away your great times. Great occasions missed will be missed forever. Life is very short.
Fair point.
But a large part of me staying away is, the woeful football being served up during the Duchebag era, so no memories of this particular period I'd care to retain and quite frankly I didn't want to waste my money either.
Most of my charlton memories are of the past and I'll still retain those, I'd rather not spoil that at the moment.
Could this season be different, lets hope so but it'll take more than a handful of games to lure me back, if at all.
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I don't have and won't buy a season ticket, but I am not boycotting. The number of home fans in the ground suggests that many others are.
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If I wasn't brainwashing my 4 boys , I'd like to think I'd be taking the moral high ground (easy to say when I'm going !)
I may be going but I'm not gonna be thanking our owners at any point because they deserve fuck all with their shoddy behaviour and pisstake of us fans .
Others can ignore the previous circus like activities from our owners and sing from the rooftops cos we have a team that may get promoted from League One but fuck that I mean who can I take the piss out of on footballing terms . I don't know any Gills fans and we are rivals with millwall and palace and they are a league and two above us , shameful times .
A good news story?
Rolly deserves no credit what's so ever.
Getting rid of Novak and Crofts, did they want to go, probably or did KR have to reduce the wages?
Dodoo not who we were hoping for but maybe brought in as a token gesture, but may turn out to be a goodun.
We all know the squad is thin, a couple more decent bodies brought in, could perhaps make all the difference.
Admittedly we've got Marshall and Reeves to come in.
Mind you the club have form for out-North Koreaing North Korea in the propaganda stakes, so if they did suggest fans had got a rush on to buy ST's few would probably believe it! ;-)
If will be very interesting to see what we average this season.
Last season the official site announced season tickets sold, this season it appears they have not.
So many people get the chance to see friends or relatives on a Saturday when they would not otherwise.
First question they may ask is what division are Charlton in ?
I just don't feel I can take the piss out of a palace fan or West Ham fan regarding football matters when we are in the dog and duck league , FairPlay if you do but they must be proper lame fans if they would even entertain a League One muppet trying to give it about beating nobody FC .
however a friend is away so using his season ticket on Saturday, may purchase something in the ground but the way i see it its better to spend £5 on a pie and a pint instead of £20.00 on a match ticket, or £325 over a season which is what my old seat would of cost.
I Don't think the circus upstairs have learnt a thing or will ever change - can you really see this guy spending money in the championship ( relegated by xmas i feel ), just think they have got v lucky with karl and some of the players turning out alright.
letting 3 strikers go and getting someone in on loan till January who was surplus to requirements in a rangers side, when our main striker is a regular international says a LOT imo.
It's a tricky decision for many, in particular those who are boycotting.
[Apologies for reposting this from a different thread, but I think it's more relevant in this one. And apologies for banging on about Jimmy Seed again]
To @mascot88 @ElfsborgAddick and many others [who are staying away], I just say this.
I was brought up supporting Millwall because of the way the owners of the club treated Jimmy Seed. Later on I followed Millwall, Spurs, Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton (JS's clubs) and QPR (because I lived close to Loftus Rd). But I always knew that Charlton was the club he cared most about (and it was our 'family club') but I knew they let him down, so steered clear of full support. In that time I wrote the short book about his time at Charlton, but only very rarely went to matches.
I was basically letting the behaviour of owners of the club (who are NOT the club) spoil my enjoyment of football for more than 40 years! It took the death of my mum (who always loved Charlton) to flick a switch somewhere and the rest is (recent) history.
Much as I'm enjoying bringing the family back into the fold, I can't help feeling gutted at the great times and emotions missed. I enjoyed the play-off final from afar, but I wasn't there. I was delighted about the return to the Valley, but I wasn't there. I cheated myself out of great times and great memories. I trying to make up for lost time now.
You guys are true Charlton fans and I totally respect your motives for staying away. But the old club is not Duchatelet and Meire. Don't let them take away your great times. Great occasions missed will be missed forever. Life is very short.
My experience of the massive drop in sales of season tickets from where I used to sit in the Family stand was that all the people around me didn't renew for different reasons, but the dire football combined with other personal circumstances (moves, distance, ill health) was enough of an additional factor for people to think "I don't need this any more". I've seen a few of them last season - one renewed Lower North but I've not seen him this year yet. One started going to watch his grandson play. There isn't an organised boycott of season tickets - there's a mass of individual decisions that turned into an avalanche because the Club was inept in so many different ways. In one sense, this is a stronger message to the owner and his minions - it's not just people pissed off with the obvious outward incompetence; plenty have gone because of the failure to entertain.
Whether the failure to entertain is addressed by the luck of appointing Robinson, or deliberately, doesn't really matter. It's so much more entertaining, to the point that I am looking to blow out something else so I can go to Wigan home.
But a large part of me staying away is, the woeful football being served up during the Duchebag era, so no memories of this particular period I'd care to retain and
quite frankly I didn't want to waste my money either.
Most of my charlton memories are of the past and I'll still retain those, I'd rather not spoil that at the moment.
Could this season be different, lets hope so but it'll take more than a handful of games to lure me back, if at all.