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Now I think you need to reread Adonis's article. He is not just talking about Banks, but how 'day after day' and 'consistently' , Brexiters appear on the BBC. Just because you disagree with Brexit does not mean you have the right to silence those arguing for it or deny them the right to take part in a national debate, especially given the huge numbers of people who back Brexit. I find Adonis's views on this very sinister. I hope you do not agree with him.PragueAddick said:
What Adonis is getting at there is that Arron Banks has never submitted himself to the electorate for representative duties (unlike Farage who has offered himself as an MP several times and been told to shove it). Why therefore should a private citizen be allowed to come on the Marr Show because he has been named as the subject of a criminal investigation, and have free reign to put up a defence before the NCA have even started work? Where is the public interest in that? Had Marr also "balanced" him by inviting, say, Carole Cadwalladr on, then it might have been acceptable - you know, like the Today programme gets Nigel Lawson on every time there is a new climate change discovery. But no, no balance this time. Just Banks being allowed to say "No Russian money" without Marr even suggesting there was - and then their Twitter feed highlighting him saying that!!Southbank said:
'The BBC is consistently manipulated by Brexiteers into providing them with false parity in arguments where their views add nothing, represent nobody and are demonstrably and factually wrong'Stig said:
Dare you actually tackle what Adonis said, or are you just going to make personal slights against him? It seems to me that he's bang on the money.Southbank said:
Yes quite right. All leavers, who speak for 17m people, should be muzzled and Adonis, who remember has never been elected by anybody to anything, should be allowed to pontificate at will on the BBC about his 'peoples vote', which also has never been voted for by anybody except the Lib Dems-who got 7% of the vote at the General election last year.Red_in_SE8 said:Andrew Marr’s handling of Arron Banks was pathetic – and damaging
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/05/andrew-marr-arron-banks-bbc-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
I fear that if we had another referendum and Adonis lost again, his head would simply explode. The poor man needs all our sympathy. He simply cannot understand why he should not have his way.
He says the Brexiters represent 'nobody', and you think that is bang on the money?
That show is the work of members of your 'liberal metropolitan elite' too, @Southbank.
If the Remain case is so strong it should be able to win people over through the strength of its argument. It did not in 2016 and it still is not now. Wanting to silence Leave people is very disturbing and as I said outright sinister. It smacks of no-platforming in student politics, not grown up democracy.0 -
Thank you for dismantling the idea that Ireland is dawdling on its repayments to the UK. You may have done this before but could you also tear down the idea that giving Ireland a loan was doing us a favour, when in actual fact the UK was in fact quite exposed to our banks. If our banking system went down the UK would have been in a perilous position.NornIrishAddick said:It's actually worse than I had remembered...
Ireland have been willing to repay its loans in advance, but the loan from the UK has fixed terms and a severe penalty break clause. Which means that early repayment would cost Ireland more than continuing until the due date for repayment.
The other creditors did not have similar clauses, and so, the IMF, et al, have been repaid: https://ft.com/content/832e51b8-f6fb-3d99-ad87-d4defac42cf5.
Under the penalty break clause, the UK Government would demand an additional 200 million Euro payment from Ireland for any early repayment, so the Irish Government have decided not to bother: https://rte.ie/news/business/2017/0907/902980-imf-loan-repayments/ & https://irishtimes.com/business/economy/state-averts-200m-uk-penalty-amid-bailout-refinancing-1.3212780. If the UK was willing to allow early repayment without additional penalties, Ireland would have gone for it (and I've no doubt that, before the news, above, was made public, the Irish Government would have raised the matter with HMG).
Here's the latest UK Government report on the loan and repayments: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/748298/Ireland_loan_statutory_report_September_2018_web.pdf.5 -
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It’s about 10-0 in reality!ShootersHillGuru said:NI 1 - Smudge 0
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Norway is a part of the Schengen Area though, I don't think anyone on either camp wants that. We had a veto keeping us outMuttleyCAFC said:I suppose, If you agree a customs union, Norway type deal to be in place until a solution to the Irish border is found - you are effectively agreeing a Norway deal as solution won't be found. The problem with this is, people like Rees Mogg and Johnson will say they have a solution, which everybody knows isn't a solution, but I can't see them accepting this. Then the question is Labour. I could see a few Labour MPs voting for a Norway like deal, but will it satisfy the six tests? I doubt it, although I think if it did, Labour would support it!
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Theresa May was in Norway last week.1
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Will of the people? My arse! 54% Remain 46% Leave. Poll of 20,000 people.1
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20,000 ? Let's ignore the 32,000,000 vote thenRed_in_SE8 said:Will of the people? My arse! 54% Remain 46% Leave. Poll of 20,000 people.
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Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.0 -
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@smudge7946 . If you learn only one thing from me Smudger that is never ever ever ask @NornIrishAddick for facts because he always has them.smudge7946 said:Cordoban Addick said:
You always seem to bring facts in to counter opinion @NornIrishAddick . It is a bit unfair.NornIrishAddick said:
Would that be the loan of £3.2 billion, being repaid with interest that Ireland offered to pay back in full ahead of time, an offer that that the UK refused?smudge7946 said:
That is a shame.Chizz said:
Maybe the Irish PM could demonstrate how much he hates Brexit by paying back that 2 billion quid that we used to bail them out a few years back immediately.
The interest that has been paid to date is in the region of half a billion pounds.
I've no doubt that the Taoiseach would willingly pay now and avoid additional interest payments.
Is there any evidence of this ‘fact.’Cordoban Addick said:
You always seem to bring facts in to counter opinion @NornIrishAddick . It is a bit unfair.NornIrishAddick said:
Would that be the loan of £3.2 billion, being repaid with interest that Ireland offered to pay back in full ahead of time, an offer that that the UK refused?smudge7946 said:
That is a shame.Chizz said:
Maybe the Irish PM could demonstrate how much he hates Brexit by paying back that 2 billion quid that we used to bail them out a few years back immediately.
The interest that has been paid to date is in the region of half a billion pounds.
I've no doubt that the Taoiseach would willingly pay now and avoid additional interest payments.4 -
Who were that group of people who were recently saying "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"? Seems apposite in the circumstances.MuttleyCAFC said:I don't think kicking the Irish issue down the road should be acceptable to anybody. If you kick that solution down the road, for me you should kick everything else down the road too. The reason nobody has found a solution yet is because there just might not be one.
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Yes I saw that Channel 4 programme.Red_in_SE8 said:Will of the people? My arse! 54% Remain 46% Leave. Poll of 20,000 people.
The problem with it's poll that no one mentioned is that virtually all the polls and most of the 'pundits' also predicted a 'Remain' win in the run up to the original June 23rd 2016 vote - and look what happened.
The screenshot below shows the polls in the week leading up to June 23rd:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-eu-or-leave-the-eu/?removed1 -
The Belfast Agreement was ratified by two referenda. One in Northern Ireland, where it won more than 71% of the votes and one in the Republic, where it won just over 94%.seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
An agreement which confirms that a substantial number of people in Northern Ireland want to bring about a united Ireland won 71% support in Northern Ireland. An agreement that requires the Republic of Ireland to drop it constitutional claim on Northern Ireland won 94% support in the Republic of Ireland. An overwhelming set of bipartisan support for dramatic and difficult constitutional changes.
And they say that the 52/48 slither is the "will of the people".3 -
stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.stop shouting said:
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.Stig said:
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.stop shouting said:
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?PragueAddick said:
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!Bournemouth Addick said:
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.PragueAddick said:Ha.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!1 -
It is curious that you put 'day after day' and 'consistently' in inverted commas as if you are quoting them and then add "Brexiters appear on the BBC" as if that is something that Adonis actually wrote. He didn't.Southbank said:
Now I think you need to reread Adonis's article. He is not just talking about Banks, but how 'day after day' and 'consistently' , Brexiters appear on the BBC. Just because you disagree with Brexit does not mean you have the right to silence those arguing for it or deny them the right to take part in a national debate, especially given the huge numbers of people who back Brexit. I find Adonis's views on this very sinister. I hope you do not agree with him.PragueAddick said:
What Adonis is getting at there is that Arron Banks has never submitted himself to the electorate for representative duties (unlike Farage who has offered himself as an MP several times and been told to shove it). Why therefore should a private citizen be allowed to come on the Marr Show because he has been named as the subject of a criminal investigation, and have free reign to put up a defence before the NCA have even started work? Where is the public interest in that? Had Marr also "balanced" him by inviting, say, Carole Cadwalladr on, then it might have been acceptable - you know, like the Today programme gets Nigel Lawson on every time there is a new climate change discovery. But no, no balance this time. Just Banks being allowed to say "No Russian money" without Marr even suggesting there was - and then their Twitter feed highlighting him saying that!!Southbank said:
'The BBC is consistently manipulated by Brexiteers into providing them with false parity in arguments where their views add nothing, represent nobody and are demonstrably and factually wrong'Stig said:
Dare you actually tackle what Adonis said, or are you just going to make personal slights against him? It seems to me that he's bang on the money.Southbank said:
Yes quite right. All leavers, who speak for 17m people, should be muzzled and Adonis, who remember has never been elected by anybody to anything, should be allowed to pontificate at will on the BBC about his 'peoples vote', which also has never been voted for by anybody except the Lib Dems-who got 7% of the vote at the General election last year.Red_in_SE8 said:Andrew Marr’s handling of Arron Banks was pathetic – and damaging
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/05/andrew-marr-arron-banks-bbc-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
I fear that if we had another referendum and Adonis lost again, his head would simply explode. The poor man needs all our sympathy. He simply cannot understand why he should not have his way.
He says the Brexiters represent 'nobody', and you think that is bang on the money?
That show is the work of members of your 'liberal metropolitan elite' too, @Southbank.
If the Remain case is so strong it should be able to win people over through the strength of its argument. It did not in 2016 and it still is not now. Wanting to silence Leave people is very disturbing and as I said outright sinister. It smacks of no-platforming in student politics, not grown up democracy.
Let's actually look at his words. First the 'Day after day' bit: "Day after day BBC Radio’s flagship show – Today – descends into surrealist farce as John Humphrys seems to bark inanities at anyone presenting an evidenced argument against Brexit". Have you ever listened to this show, Southbank? I do regularly and I concur with Adonis 100%, it's embarrassing to hear a once respected journalist barking and sniping without any display of his once fine questioning and reasoning talents. It is adversarial radio at its very worst. As for 'consistently', it appears twice in the text, first "The BBC is consistently manipulated by Brexiteers into providing them with false parity in arguments...". It is; frequently there are no facts behind the pro-Brexit argument, just platitudes, and why would there be when "the people of this country have had enough of experts"? Perhaps worse, often times even the basic terminology used are not explained. 'Taking control', 'sovereignty', '£350m' - all terms that are never questioned and go completely unchallenged by Auntie Beeb. The other use of 'consistently: "the BBC has so consistently failed in its coverage of the campaign for a people’s vote". Again, very hard to argue against this, because the coverage has been paltry and Adonis very nicely juxtaposes this with the Farage fish stunt.
It looks like someone definitely needs to reread Adonis's article, but I don't think it's Prague.5 -
Since when was Northern Ireland not in the UK (and don't say 1921)? Clearly a referendum was held in the UK, just not in Sydenham, but then why would it be? I don't remember anyone complaining at the time.golfaddick said:stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.stop shouting said:
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.Stig said:
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.stop shouting said:
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?PragueAddick said:
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!Bournemouth Addick said:
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.PragueAddick said:Ha.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!1 -
I think you will find that Northern Ireland is in the UK.golfaddick said:stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.stop shouting said:
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.Stig said:
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.stop shouting said:
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?PragueAddick said:
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!Bournemouth Addick said:
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.PragueAddick said:Ha.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!1 -
Then perhaps ALL of the UK should had been given a chance to vote on the GFA & not just 5% of the population, or was the conflict just confined to Ireland.......nope, I do recall parts of Birmingham, London & Brighton being blown up too.seth plum said:
I think you will find that Northern Ireland is in the UK.golfaddick said:stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.stop shouting said:
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.Stig said:
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.stop shouting said:
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?PragueAddick said:
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!Bournemouth Addick said:
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.PragueAddick said:Ha.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!
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I still don't understand what problem anybody has about a second referendum. This thing has split the country and both Brexiters and Remainers can agree the negotiations have been a pigs ear. If we have a referendum and the result is the same, It will be fully accepted, we have heard the lies about it, but we still want it! And ultimately, the result will reflect the will of the people.
The strength of antagonism some have to the concept only suggests they are worried what the result would be. But if this is true, they are showing they are not really that interested in the will of the people!2 -
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The problem with a 2nd Referendum is what happens if the vote is to Remain.....have a tie break because its 1-1 ?? And why would you follow the verdict of this one.....you didnt for the first one.
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Because following the verdict of this one does not involve inflicting untold damage to the UK, it’s institutions, it’s economy, it’s people and it’s standing in the world for generations to come. And it can no longer be dismissed as project fear. After 2 1/2 years of real world negotiations everyone can now clearly appreciate the insanity of trying to leave the EU.golfaddick said:The problem with a 2nd Referendum is what happens if the vote is to Remain.....have a tie break because its 1-1 ?? And why would you follow the verdict of this one.....you didnt for the first one.
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And if they can't, they can still re-affirm the original vote!Red_in_SE8 said:
Because following the verdict of this one does not involve inflicting untold damage to the UK, it’s institutions, it’s economy, it’s people and it’s standing in the world for generations to come. And it can no longer be dismissed as project fear. After 2 1/2 years of real world negotiations everyone can now clearly appreciate the insanity of trying to leave the EU.golfaddick said:The problem with a 2nd Referendum is what happens if the vote is to Remain.....have a tie break because its 1-1 ?? And why would you follow the verdict of this one.....you didnt for the first one.
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I have no problem with a 2nd referendum, other than the fact I think organising one in time is impossible, but I don't think the above statement is in anyway true, the divisions over the EU are not going away anytime soon, whatever happens.MuttleyCAFC said:If we have a referendum and the result is the same, It will be fully accepted, !
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Maybe not in one sense, but Remainers would have to accept it! Now they believe, rightly or wrongly, that most people do not want what it looks like we could be getting. if they are wrong, it would be time to shut up and get on with it. Any Brexiter who is confident that is not the case would be desperate for another referendum. That fact they are not, tells its own story.0
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Whatever the result of a 2nd referendum, I've seen nothing to suggest the losing side would accept it, no matter which side that was.
The fact that polls don't show any serious swings only highlights how divided the country has become!4 -
I don't imagine that anyone has forgotten that terrorists carried out atrocities in Birmingham, Brighton or London, nor, indeed, Warrington.golfaddick said:
Then perhaps ALL of the UK should had been given a chance to vote on the GFA & not just 5% of the population, or was the conflict just confined to Ireland.......nope, I do recall parts of Birmingham, London & Brighton being blown up too.seth plum said:
I think you will find that Northern Ireland is in the UK.golfaddick said:stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!
conveniently forgotten about that have we.
Frankly, I'm a bit worried about your argument.
The reasoning behind why the public vote on the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement was limited (in the UK) to Northern Ireland is likely to be a little more complex. But, I'd hazard a guess that it may have something to do with the nature of the Agreement itself.
Here, Wikipedia is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement.
The Agreement was made between political parties in Northern Ireland and also, internationally between the UK and Ireland.
While the main UK parties supported the "Yes" campaign, they were not signatories to the Agreement as political parties - the UK Government was, but it was attempting both to be apolitical and a disinterested party (the UK Government position, from 1990 until the confidence and supply agreement with the DUP, that it had no selfish interest with regard to Northern Ireland was really important in helping achieve the deal).
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Northern Ireland is part of the U.K.golfaddick said:stop shouting said:
As I understand it from my mate that lives in Singapore, you can watch iPlayer if you are a uk licence payer. He still pays his uk licence so he can access it. Maybe this could be a way round it for you.PragueAddick said:
Oh. Is that what you mean? Nothing to do with Corbyn? OK so let's get some facts straight here.stop shouting said:
Sorry stig didn’t mean to come across as rude. I just thought prague’s comments were a bit rich considering the moral dilemma arises from him illegally watching a tv service the rest of us have to pay for.Stig said:
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.stop shouting said:
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?Stig said:
Tell that to Cressida Dick.stop shouting said:
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.Stig said:
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.stop shouting said:
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?PragueAddick said:
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!Bournemouth Addick said:
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.PragueAddick said:Ha.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
For me I don’t agree with your comments about the comparison standing up. The police are investigation 45 incidents by Labour Party members of which Corbyn is the leader and has a list of anti semitism controversies as long as your arm.
Re Banks, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. He might be a spiv/smug/orrible bloke etc but all I’ve seen him do is out think remain. The Marr interview proved that these investigations should be left to the pros as Marr was woeful. If it does transpire that banks has done some illegal that affected the referendum result then I believe that the vote is invalid and needs to be reviewed. But the investigators better get a move on as they haven’t got much time left.
1. I am not breaking any law. If you believe I am, recite the law being broken
2. The satellite dish, it's installation and service, has cost me the equivalent of about 7 years of the licence fee. It is so big and obtrusive that for years many of my neighbours whispered that I must be a British spy. Seriously. Do you not think I wouldn't rather pay for a digital subscription and have a normal unobtrusive 80cm dish?
3. I have actually tried to ask the BBC why it doesn't offer a digital sub to the probably million plus overseas viewers. The answer is "rights issues" but they can be solved, with a will. They just haven't done their homework.
Any other false allegations you wish to make about me this morning? I'm in the mood to take them on...
I don’t wish to levy any accusations on you but you even said yourself you’re an illicit viewer of BBC. I am going to look into the legality of what you are doing are see what other advice I can give you.
Just a heads up, when we leave the EU, the EU have confirmed that brits won’t be able to watch iPlayer or Netflix in the EU as it will be a breach of copyright.
Not in the UK it didn't !!seth plum said:Brexit won the latest referendum, but the Belfast Agreement was also secured with a referendum.
Let's acknowledge them both then.
jesus, talking about making facts fit.
Have a 2nd Referendum......but have the Belfast one over here too....asking the UK population whether the GFA should take precedence over anything that we vote for.
I'll be on that march !!!0 -
Red_in_SE8 said:
Will of the people? My arse! 54% Remain 46% Leave. Poll of 20,000
The main lie that was told during the Referendum was that the Government would act on the result and Leave. What we have had instead is a Remainer Government doing everything it can to avoid leaving.Red_in_SE8 said:
Because following the verdict of this one does not involve inflicting untold damage to the UK, it’s institutions, it’s economy, it’s people and it’s standing in the world for generations to come. And it can no longer be dismissed as project fear. After 2 1/2 years of real world negotiations everyone can now clearly appreciate the insanity of trying to leave the EU.golfaddick said:The problem with a 2nd Referendum is what happens if the vote is to Remain.....have a tie break because its 1-1 ?? And why would you follow the verdict of this one.....you didnt for the first one.
Another referendum would not fix that problem.2 -
What are we going to do if labour win the next general election? I mean the tories (just about) won the last couple, so why should labour then go into government if they won that?golfaddick said:The problem with a 2nd Referendum is what happens if the vote is to Remain.....have a tie break because its 1-1 ?? And why would you follow the verdict of this one.....you didnt for the first one.
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