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The Ashes 2017-18

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  • ah yes forgot Bairstows
  • Am i right in saying that if Mitchell Marsh gets a hundred then Australia would have got more centuries in this innings(3) than England in the whole Ashes series(2) ?

    Malan
    Bairstow
    Cook
  • Mitch gets his ton, then is bowled next ball. The Aussies teetering on 544/5
  • Marsh bowled 101
  • about 560-5 at lunch
  • 589-5
    cant sleep
  • Cook got a double hundred so I’m claiming 4 English centuries. #clutchingatstraws
  • edited January 2018
    Aussies declare on 649-7, lead of 303 (which is funnily enough what I guessed England would get in their first innings).
  • Aussies declare on 649-7, lead of 303.

    Score 400 quickly, declare and bowl Australia out for 50
  • Well this is going well
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  • 12000 runs for Cook
  • 12000 runs for Cook

    But that’s where the good news ends
  • I'm impressed that any of you can still face watching this shambles
  • I'm impressed that any of you can still face watching this shambles

    Fortunately I never started!
  • Cracking figures from our spin twins.
    Chemical Ali and Frasier Crane couldn’t have done much worse.
  • I’m afraid I went to bed around midnight when I saw Root give the new ball to Mason Crane. WTAF?

    I had a very good sleep though.
  • Simonsen said:

    Crane might become a top international bowler, but is desperately raw, and surely called up too early. England have a habit of picking spinners then dumping them (Kerragan, Borthwick), Australia did the same the same thing between Warne and Lyon

    Root was England's best spinner today, no idea why he took himself off, as he was a genuine threat and economical too (8 overs going for only 21)

    It was a good job Australia picked Steve Smith too early.

    It's only too early if selectors get muddled and dump players afterwards.

    Fact is, all the time Moeen Ali plays, then a second spinner will only play occasionally. If Stokes returns then maybe Crane will get more chances.
    Smith was picked as a leg spinner though, not a batsman. It was at the time when they were desperately looking for the new Shane Warne!

    By picking Crane for this tour, the selectors made it incredibly hard to drop Moeen as picking a 20 year old as your sole spinner would be incredibly risky.
    I remember Smith getting picked as a leg spinner who batted 8. What I meant was good job they did pick him because they stumbled across a bloke who has become the best batsman in Australia (and lots of other places too).

    What other spinners could play instead of Ali or Crane? I like the look of Leach and Bess at Somerset but they've often benifitted from doctored wickets at Taunton. The spinners don't get much of a look in in The County Championship these days. Games are packed into April and May or September to accommodate T20. Why bother with two spinners when four seamers can bowl most sides out on helpful pitches in about 55 overs?

    Summed up when one Director of Cricket (Angus Fraser) said to me....."it's seamers who win you a County Championship" As an wisened ex-seamer he's bound to be biased but maybe he's right when referring to the present day?

  • Boycott came up with a good point - maybe its time to drop the Duke and use the Kookaburra ball in County games as a start?
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  • That was a superb 4 over spell by Anderson, he caused the Marshes all sorts of problems whereas the other England bowlers have been smacked around with ease

    Anderson has bowled superbly this tour aged 35 in less than ideal conditions. Just a shame he’s had no support bar a coupe of spells from Overton early on and then Broad in Melbourne.

    As for Ali, looks like Bayliss was right after all - not a frontline test spinner
  • As soon a Lyon came on you could see the difference in control and variation between him and Moeen, such a hard job for our left handers batting against him
  • Crane had worst debut figures ever for England bowler.
  • England as a whole are AWFUL away at the moment, the stats are damning. Conceding 600 runs used to be a real rarity, but recently it's become an everyday occurrence




  • I have to question not conceding over 600 from 1955-2003 as I’m sure the Windies scored 600 + against us in the 90s. In fact, I think both sides scored the same in their first innings - 640ish ?
    Stand to be corrected though.
  • I have to question not conceding over 600 from 1955-2003 as I’m sure the Windies scored 600 + against us in the 90s. In fact, I think both sides scored the same in their first innings - 640ish ?
    Stand to be corrected though.

    In the Lara 375 match in 1994, they declared on 593-5! So below 600, if a bit "luckily" for England :smile:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16362/scorecard/63641/west-indies-vs-england-5th-test-england-tour-of-west-indies-1993-94/

    Checking the Lara 400 match in 2004, they declared on 751/5!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15068/scorecard/64080/west-indies-vs-england-4th-test-england-tour-of-west-indies-2003-04/
  • edited January 2018

    I have to question not conceding over 600 from 1955-2003 as I’m sure the Windies scored 600 + against us in the 90s. In fact, I think both sides scored the same in their first innings - 640ish ?
    Stand to be corrected though.

    In the Lara 375 match in 1994, they declared on 593-5! So below 600, if a bit "luckily" for England :smile:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16362/scorecard/63641/west-indies-vs-england-5th-test-england-tour-of-west-indies-1993-94/

    Checking the Lara 400 match in 2004, they declared on 751/5!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15068/scorecard/64080/west-indies-vs-england-4th-test-england-tour-of-west-indies-2003-04/
    751-5...wow.
    How many did they get in first innings ?
  • edited January 2018
    Yeah.yeah. just re-hashed words from the last 3 decades- whereas you take your pay-off and go and coach Kent in L2.
    Bayliss should go in my opinion.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42595640

    Anybody remember the Lord SOmeone report after another drubbing in Oz? - that worked didnt it?
  • Boycott came up with a good point - maybe its time to drop the Duke and use the Kookaburra ball in County games as a start?

    How about punishments for bowling too slow in the county game. At least 4 balls an over have to be 85 mph+ or there's a penalty. Include the spinners too for a laugh.
    Derek Underwood would've only have had to bowl slightly quicker and he'd be ok for your new laws.

  • I have to question not conceding over 600 from 1955-2003 as I’m sure the Windies scored 600 + against us in the 90s. In fact, I think both sides scored the same in their first innings - 640ish ?
    Stand to be corrected though.

    LOL, one of the first test matches I watched on Telly was v Pakistan in 1974, they declared on 600-7. One more leg bye and they could have shattered that record!
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