Aussies win by 10 wickets. Total demolition job since we had them 209-7 in the first innings.
I'd be surprised if our confidence isn't shot and the series quickly runs away from us.
Don't worry. I'm in a parallel universe & thw Ayssie were all out for 231 in the 1st innings thus giving us a healthy 71 run lead. However, our top 5 succumbed to Starc's hostile bowling & when Bairstow cane to the crease we were 45 for 5 & a lead of just 126. Bairstow then took on the bouncers & by using a new technique of headbutting the ball over the slip for 4 he managed to get to 67 before he was run out by 4 feet as the groundman, during the lunchtime break, had cunningly repainted the crease line halfway down the track. It didn't matter as we had got a lead oj 265 & Root surprisingly declared, thinking that it would take 2 days to get them out due to our non-prolific bowlers. Sadly the Aussie knocked off the runs in just 19 overs as someone had told David Warner is was now a 20/20 match.
Ok, changes for next game? For me, there should be just the 1 maybe 2... Wood (if fit) should be brought in from the Lions to replace Ball - even if he does break down. Woakes position is also tenuous in my eye, his bowling is buffet in Oz conditions - and i'd like to see Overton given a go - at least he'd stand up to the Aussies. cant remember if Adelaide is a spinners wicket (don't think it is) so they def wont try to bring in Crane) Then again, didn't they turn the Adelaide wicket around in their recent development?
They won't drop Woakes. They have to drop Ball. I'd pick Crane regardless of pitch - the Aussies aren't great players of spin
Yeah, I know they wont drop Woakes, especially now that Stokes is out, as they think they need him as a good no 8 - but at least bowl him as 5th bowler or something - just someone to make up a few overs before the new ball or just before tea and lunch ffs - its excruciating watching him bowl.
Woakes has bowled well on slightly faster pitches in the warm-up games. I still think he can surprise Australia.
A second spinner is looking like a necessity. If Malan's legspin isn't going to be trusted, might as well pick Crane, who's a better batsman than Ball and might even go in ahead of Broad. (Although I wouldn't be sure how long he'd last against The Great Aussie Bomb Squad - let's hope he's been given extra torso pads and a working-over in the nets)
Whilst he might not have looked threatening, Woakes' figures in the match of 35-6-113-1 doesn't make him, at 3.23 ER, a lost cause so far as restricting the Aussies from scoring freely. Adelaide should suit him, like all our seamers, more and his Test average of 30 with the bat means that he is capable of getting a few.
Ball, on the other hand, had figures of 26-4-115-1 and an ER of 4.42. It could also be argued that even his wicket only came as a result of a needlessly poor shot from Warner.
We probably do need to bring Crane in (oh how we wish we had picked Rashid) but, whilst we shouldn't be reliant on his batting, with a first class average of just 12, he really is a tail ender. And we can't have a situation where none of 8-11 can support the likes of Bairstow and Moeen as and when the need arises - as it surely will.
So, for those reasons, I would keep Woakes but drop Ball for Crane if only because we can't be certain the Moeen will be fully fit. In the 3rd Test we can then look at bringing in Wood or Overton but for whom will depend on fitness, form and the wicket.
Trying to read articles on how England should go forward and all the articles on Cricinfo and the BBC are about this completely ridiculous 'headbutt' situation that's already been resolved. Cheap journalism ffs
Just think Crane in hindsight was one of those odd selection decisions made after a few bottles of Claret in the Lords long room.Good prospect, yes, but not quite ready yet to be the lamb sent to slaughter.
set the tone for the rest of the series that has, whitewash all day long now....
Still not convinced about that. For the first innings there was nothing in it. Much will depend on the pace of the remaining tracks but also the fitness of their quickies - Cummins, for example, hadn't played until this year for six years since making his debut as an 18 year old six years ago.
Equally, the three batsmen we had doubts about all scored 50s in the first innings. If Cook does manage to find his form and Root, Moeen and Bairstow do what they did this summer then our batting isn't that bad. I used the phrase "happy hookers" after the first innings and we do have to learn when the right time is to take them on.
Just think Crane in hindsight was one of those odd selection decisions made after a few bottles of Claret in the Lords long room.Good prospect, yes, but not quite ready yet to be the lamb sent to slaughter.
Just think Crane in hindsight was one of those odd selection decisions made after a few bottles of Claret in the Lords long room.Good prospect, yes, but not quite ready yet to be the lamb sent to slaughter.
So TP you would have had Rashy too ;-)
Looking at it now, then clearly yes. ! Leave Crane with the LIons, let him continue to learn, At least Rashid has a good reputation in Oz.
set the tone for the rest of the series that has, whitewash all day long now....
Still not convinced about that. For the first innings there was nothing in it. Much will depend on the pace of the remaining tracks but also the fitness of their quickies - Cummins, for example, hadn't played until this year for six years since making his debut as an 18 year old six years ago.
Equally, the three batsmen we had doubts about all scored 50s in the first innings. If Cook does manage to find his form and Root, Moeen and Bairstow do what they did this summer then our batting isn't that bad. I used the phrase "happy hookers" after the first innings and we do have to learn when the right time is to take them on.
Yeah, and I hear that Steve Smith ducked under most bouncers. I really don't understand going for a hook on a bouncer - its so risky, just leave it alone, it tires the bowler out, and he'll soon stop as soon as he sees that you aren't biting. Yet we hear this time and time again.
its one of those times when I don't understand why they just cover all eventualities and pick a 20 man squad. Especially if the Lions are touring with them, and they can all get game time.
I would have Wood all day long. He might need a game for the Lions but I would stick him in Asap. Overton for Ball as well. I am surprised that Ball played in the First Test.
I would have Wood all day long. He might need a game for the Lions but I would stick him in Asap. Overton for Ball as well. I am surprised that Ball played in the First Test.</blockquote
Trying to read articles on how England should go forward and all the articles on Cricinfo and the BBC are about this completely ridiculous 'headbutt' situation that's already been resolved. Cheap journalism ffs
I imagine the team (other than Bairstow) won't mind that the media is distracted from some of the poor performances on the pitch...
Not too clued up on Adelaide but Aussie mate suggest it will suit Anderson a little more. He reckons we may have a chance there.
One of the things i remember about Adelaide, is us scoring a big 500+declared in first innings with KP getting a double hundred and Colly also getting a hundred if i remember correctly and....................we lost.
Not too clued up on Adelaide but Aussie mate suggest it will suit Anderson a little more. He reckons we may have a chance there.
One of the things i remember about Adelaide, is us scoring a big 500+declared in first innings with KP getting a double hundred and Colly also getting a hundred if i remember correctly and....................we lost.
Collingwood 200 on a feather-bed pitch but Australia got 500 too and shot England out for about 130 and knocked it off easily.
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For me, there should be just the 1 maybe 2...
Wood (if fit) should be brought in from the Lions to replace Ball - even if he does break down.
Woakes position is also tenuous in my eye, his bowling is buffet in Oz conditions - and i'd like to see Overton given a go - at least he'd stand up to the Aussies.
cant remember if Adelaide is a spinners wicket (don't think it is) so they def wont try to bring in Crane)
Then again, didn't they turn the Adelaide wicket around in their recent development?
Even outside of the more helpful English conditions, you'd have thought he's at least be tidy
A second spinner is looking like a necessity. If Malan's legspin isn't going to be trusted, might as well pick Crane, who's a better batsman than Ball and might even go in ahead of Broad. (Although I wouldn't be sure how long he'd last against The Great Aussie Bomb Squad - let's hope he's been given extra torso pads and a working-over in the nets)
Ball, on the other hand, had figures of 26-4-115-1 and an ER of 4.42. It could also be argued that even his wicket only came as a result of a needlessly poor shot from Warner.
We probably do need to bring Crane in (oh how we wish we had picked Rashid) but, whilst we shouldn't be reliant on his batting, with a first class average of just 12, he really is a tail ender. And we can't have a situation where none of 8-11 can support the likes of Bairstow and Moeen as and when the need arises - as it surely will.
So, for those reasons, I would keep Woakes but drop Ball for Crane if only because we can't be certain the Moeen will be fully fit. In the 3rd Test we can then look at bringing in Wood or Overton but for whom will depend on fitness, form and the wicket.
Equally, the three batsmen we had doubts about all scored 50s in the first innings. If Cook does manage to find his form and Root, Moeen and Bairstow do what they did this summer then our batting isn't that bad. I used the phrase "happy hookers" after the first innings and we do have to learn when the right time is to take them on.
Leave Crane with the LIons, let him continue to learn, At least Rashid has a good reputation in Oz.
If we can avoid defeat then this can still be a closely contested series.
Lose and it may well end up 4 or 5 nil.
Not too clued up on Adelaide but Aussie mate suggest it will suit Anderson a little more. He reckons we may have a chance there.