Some clubs seem to always get away with this type of thing, smaller clubs would have been strung up for it.
Same with the new diving rules that have come into force.
Alexi Sanchez (v West Brom) / Richardlson (v Arsenal) / Bernado Silva (v Burnley) are all cases where diving bans could have been handed out, yet all cases have been rejected with a Carlisle player being the first to receive a ban!!
The fine does not get shared amongst those who suffered i.e. the other clubs trying to compete fairly; at the insistence of the Premier league it goes to charity.
I do wonder why the Premiership should be able to make this decision, whilst still allowing those found guilty into their league.
QPR blatantly ignored the rules and should pay up. If they don't because they can't, then a heavy alternative punishment should be arranged, such as relegation to League 2 and a 25 point deduction every season for 5 seasons, or let them go into administration.
QPR issue is a farce, clearly nothing will happen.
Other issues I still can't believe - Blackpool fined for "fielding a weakened side" away at Villa when in the Prem - but the players were all from the 25 man squad declared at the start of the season so by definition eligible to be selected.
West Ham and Tevez affair - Premier league rules stated points deduction was the required punishment but Premier league choose to not enforce their own rules in effect relegating Sheffield United, Premier league can now never deduct points due to this precident.
Cardiff given a loan by the football league prior to getting in the Prem, this meant they avoided administration, but other clubs have been allowed to enter administration without this assistance, would have promotion to the Prem have happened if they had entered administration? Remember we sold Shelvey to avoid administration
Millwall - family club of the year !!!!!!!!!! ??????
I'll leave it at these but there are so many more total farces which could be mentioned - can't resist it , two more - World Cups in Russia and Qatar.
World football and domestic football - no integrity and farcical decision after farcical decision
My understanding of that last tribunal is that it was exactly that...the last appeal option that QPR had. They were either arrogant, naive or very badly advised to think they were ever going to be found anything other than guilty.
They had already used up their appeals. I've been led to believe that this was a final one in front of judiciary. Not sure why QPR are reported as saying they are intending to appeal...they've dragged this out for two years already.
I was very pleased to read that the EFL had seen this arbitration through to a successful conclusion, rather than entering into a lame, highly discounted confidential settlement, which I thought was by far the more likely outcome.
Assuming that the right of appeal has not been waived by the parties, QPR can seek leave from the High Court to appeal the arbitrators’ decision, but only on a substantive point of law and not on an issue of fact. Leave can, however, only be granted if the panel's award was "obviously wrong", which is a very high threshold. It is not enough simply to show that there is an arguable error on a point of law, nor that the judge to whom the application for leave is made might have come to a different answer. The threshold is lower ("open to serious doubt") where the question is one of general public importance but I very much doubt that this is applicable in the present case.
I cannot imagine any credible grounds to appeal exist, given that QPR were contractually bound by the FFP regulations - regulations which were themselves based on the sound principle that something had to be done about reducing the number of clubs spending well beyond their means and going into administration, owing a fortune to HMRC, as well as money to organisations like St John Ambulance. QPR might well seek leave to appeal on a 'nothing to lose' basis, given the sums involved, but I think they will be given very short shrift and this long-running saga should come to an end relatively soon. Apart from the great difficulty of showing that the arbitrators' findings on the law were 'obviously wrong', QPR's case on the 'moral merits' could hardly be weaker.
To compound their difficulties, the English courts invariably strive to uphold arbitral awards. They are extremely reluctant to grant leave to appeal and nearly always respect the arbitral decision as the mechanism by which the parties have elected to resolve their dispute. Even where there are some errors in awards, the courts are anxious to discourage an open-ended appeal system that enables the unsuccessful party in the arbitration to have 'a second bite of the cherry'.
Given that they haven't got any cards left to play, QPR should bloody well be compelled to pay up. I can see no reason why the EFL should be reluctant to enforce the award once any leave to appeal application fails. The club and Tony Fernandes took an extremely cynical decision to flout the rules and QPR must now take the consequences.
and yet Bournemouth got away scott free and are everybody’s darlings.
Did Bournemouth contravene FFP ? I thought the rules changed and they didn't.
Got fined a pitiful amount for essentially massively cheating. Lost almost £50m in two seasons.
"Bournemouth will have to pay a fine of £7.6m after they broke Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on their way to securing promotion to the Premier League last season.
Clubs are allowed a 'maximum deviation' of £6m per season without punishment under the FFP agreement but the Cherries posted a £38.3m loss in 2014/15 as they won the Sky Bet Championship.
The was an increase from a loss of £10.3m the previous season, predominantly due to player and staff wages, which rose to £30.4m, a figure more than double the club's turnover of £12.9m."
The only way for it to work is a points deduction / relegation, however there’s no way the “big” clubs would vote for it. They know they can cheat and get away with it, with just a fine.
The only way for it to work is a points deduction / relegation, however there’s no way the “big” clubs would vote for it. They know they can cheat and get away with it, with just a fine.
The idea that the solution to a club that spends money like water is to fine them some more money is plainly ridiculous as they clearly don't care about money. QPR, and any other club in this situation, should be demoted or even expelled from the league. That is the only way that the punishment becomes meaningful and there is of course zero chance of it happening.
Trouble is the premier league and the football league are two seperate entities and because of this no points deduction would be possible unless the clubs in question got relegated out of the prem.
When QPR went down they should have been given a hefty points deduction along with a bigger fineand the same should happen to Bournemouth if they go down .
The only way for it to work is a points deduction / relegation, however there’s no way the “big” clubs would vote for it. They know they can cheat and get away with it, with just a fine.
I am not sure when accounting period would be that would enable this to happen: and for the play off games to take place fairly.
The logical one would be the 31st January so all transfer business for that season has been completed. A bit of wriggle room for high wages, but no system is going to be perfect.
The points deduction should be severe (say) 25 to cover both those cheating to get out of the league on promotion or trying to stay in it by avoiding relegation!
In the end teams like QPR that get relegated with massive debts will not be able to pay the fines. Then Administration comes and they get written off again.
There needs to be (if there isn't already) a draconian punishment for clubs that do this but then the sympathisers will be out claiming that it's so unfair on the poor supporters - even though they get the good times first. The 'Golden Ticket' should be withdrawn if the fine is not paid and the club fails to be allowed to play in the Football League. The 'Golden Ticket' could then be auctioned off to the highest bigger (with the club, QPR in this case, not allowed to bid) The players contracts should revert to the EFL and they should be sold too. However, we all know that the EFL don't have the stones to do that and the other clubs fans would be against it just in case it's them next.
Also, due to the numbers involved, once a club is in serious debt in, or just relegated from, the Premier League there is no alternative to throwing money they don't have to stay in, or get into, the cash cow division. There comes a point when a future fine that you won't be able to pay is the least of your worries. This is, exactly, what FFP is designed to stop but with the Prem money being so, so much higher that the Championship, unless all player contracts are null and void at the end of each season, clubs will continue to have running costs that are not affordable if they get relegated and so they can't afford to be.
The irony is that the only way the FL can demand the money is if the club gets promoted again and gets that Sky money but the Premier League clubs will not agree to it.
I would have thrown Portsmouth out of the league after they used their second administration to reduce their £150m debt (which won them the FA Cup and kept them up in the Prem at the expense of other clubs) to virtually nothing. I would also have lent on RBS not to sell Palace Selhurst for £3m when it was worth much, much more than that when they came out of administration. However, when it comes to football clubs being allowed to die there is no appetite for it from the authorities. Just like the Marvel movies, if you allowed someone to become immortal they will take massive risks in the knowledge that it will always be ok.
According to tonight standard, they will now be taking this to the CAS which will take two years...
If they lose that then there will be pressure from the clubs fans for the owners to pay the fine out of their own pocket (isn't that what they are getting fined for?) as the club is already £239m in debt.
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Alexi Sanchez (v West Brom) / Richardlson (v Arsenal) / Bernado Silva (v Burnley) are all cases where diving bans could have been handed out, yet all cases have been rejected with a Carlisle player being the first to receive a ban!!
I do wonder why the Premiership should be able to make this decision, whilst still allowing those found guilty into their league.
The FA really is a cock up from begining to end.
Next question.
Cheating, no other word for it
If they don't because they can't, then a heavy alternative punishment should be arranged, such as relegation to League 2 and a 25 point deduction every season for 5 seasons, or let them go into administration.
Other issues I still can't believe - Blackpool fined for "fielding a weakened side" away at Villa when in the Prem - but the players were all from the 25 man squad declared at the start of the season so by definition eligible to be selected.
West Ham and Tevez affair - Premier league rules stated points deduction was the required punishment but Premier league choose to not enforce their own rules in effect relegating Sheffield United, Premier league can now never deduct points due to this precident.
Cardiff given a loan by the football league prior to getting in the Prem, this meant they avoided administration, but other clubs have been allowed to enter administration without this assistance, would have promotion to the Prem have happened if they had entered administration? Remember we sold Shelvey to avoid administration
Millwall - family club of the year !!!!!!!!!! ??????
I'll leave it at these but there are so many more total farces which could be mentioned - can't resist it , two more - World Cups in Russia and Qatar.
World football and domestic football - no integrity and farcical decision after farcical decision
Harsh, and I have nothing against QPR personally, but a line needs to be drawn or it is all crap.
I thought the rules changed and they didn't.
Assuming that the right of appeal has not been waived by the parties, QPR can seek leave from the High Court to appeal the arbitrators’ decision, but only on a substantive point of law and not on an issue of fact. Leave can, however, only be granted if the panel's award was "obviously wrong", which is a very high threshold. It is not enough simply to show that there is an arguable error on a point of law, nor that the judge to whom the
application for leave is made might have come to a different answer. The threshold is lower ("open to serious doubt") where the question is one of general public importance but I very much doubt that this is applicable in the present case.
I cannot imagine any credible grounds to appeal exist, given that QPR were contractually bound by the FFP regulations - regulations which were themselves based on the sound principle that something had to be done about reducing the number of clubs spending well beyond their means and going into administration, owing a fortune to HMRC, as well as money to organisations like St John Ambulance. QPR might well seek leave to appeal on a 'nothing to lose' basis, given the sums involved, but I think they will be given very short shrift and this long-running saga should come to an end relatively soon. Apart from the great difficulty of showing that the arbitrators' findings on the law were 'obviously wrong', QPR's case on the 'moral merits' could hardly be weaker.
To compound their difficulties, the English courts invariably strive to uphold arbitral awards. They are extremely reluctant to grant leave to appeal and nearly always respect the arbitral decision as the mechanism by which the parties have elected to resolve their dispute. Even where there are some errors in awards, the courts are anxious to discourage an open-ended appeal system that enables the unsuccessful party in the arbitration to have 'a second bite of the cherry'.
Given that they haven't got any cards left to play, QPR should bloody well be compelled to pay up. I can see no reason why the EFL should be reluctant to enforce the award once any leave to appeal application fails. The club and Tony Fernandes took an extremely cynical decision to flout the rules and QPR must now take the consequences.
"Bournemouth will have to pay a fine of £7.6m after they broke Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on their way to securing promotion to the Premier League last season.
Clubs are allowed a 'maximum deviation' of £6m per season without punishment under the FFP agreement but the Cherries posted a £38.3m loss in 2014/15 as they won the Sky Bet Championship.
The was an increase from a loss of £10.3m the previous season, predominantly due to player and staff wages, which rose to £30.4m, a figure more than double the club's turnover of £12.9m."
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/10267899/bournemouth-fined-7-6m-after-breaching-financial-fair-play-rules
When QPR went down they should have been given a hefty points deduction along with a bigger fineand the same should happen to Bournemouth if they go down .
The logical one would be the 31st January so all transfer business for that season has been completed. A bit of wriggle room for high wages, but no system is going to be perfect.
The points deduction should be severe (say) 25 to cover both those cheating to get out of the league on promotion or trying to stay in it by avoiding relegation!
No reason why a fine should not be added as well.
There needs to be (if there isn't already) a draconian punishment for clubs that do this but then the sympathisers will be out claiming that it's so unfair on the poor supporters - even though they get the good times first. The 'Golden Ticket' should be withdrawn if the fine is not paid and the club fails to be allowed to play in the Football League. The 'Golden Ticket' could then be auctioned off to the highest bigger (with the club, QPR in this case, not allowed to bid) The players contracts should revert to the EFL and they should be sold too. However, we all know that the EFL don't have the stones to do that and the other clubs fans would be against it just in case it's them next.
Also, due to the numbers involved, once a club is in serious debt in, or just relegated from, the Premier League there is no alternative to throwing money they don't have to stay in, or get into, the cash cow division. There comes a point when a future fine that you won't be able to pay is the least of your worries. This is, exactly, what FFP is designed to stop but with the Prem money being so, so much higher that the Championship, unless all player contracts are null and void at the end of each season, clubs will continue to have running costs that are not affordable if they get relegated and so they can't afford to be.
The irony is that the only way the FL can demand the money is if the club gets promoted again and gets that Sky money but the Premier League clubs will not agree to it.
I would have thrown Portsmouth out of the league after they used their second administration to reduce their £150m debt (which won them the FA Cup and kept them up in the Prem at the expense of other clubs) to virtually nothing. I would also have lent on RBS not to sell Palace Selhurst for £3m when it was worth much, much more than that when they came out of administration. However, when it comes to football clubs being allowed to die there is no appetite for it from the authorities. Just like the Marvel movies, if you allowed someone to become immortal they will take massive risks in the knowledge that it will always be ok.
If they lose that then there will be pressure from the clubs fans for the owners to pay the fine out of their own pocket (isn't that what they are getting fined for?) as the club is already £239m in debt.
What is the fucking point of any of it?