[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Did you not pop down the Three Compasses for something a bit more upmarket then Henry?
;o)
Used to go to Henry's sometimes (obviously) or that place opp the Bell as lots of work people went in there. Terrible. Quite liked the Partridge next door but first choice was and it the Abbe'
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Did you not pop down the Three Compasses for something a bit more upmarket then Henry?
;o)
Used to go to Henry's sometimes (obviously) or that place opp the Bell as lots of work people went in there. Terrible. Quite liked the Partridge next door but first choice was and it the Abbe'
Ah, have just seen your post on another thread about not being that familiar with Bromley that far back, so you probably wont have heard of the Compasses then. Probably just as well. I only ever went in there once and never even got as far as the (packed) bar before a bunch of hairy bikers "suggested" we leave. Funny looking back now - but shat it at the time!
No I move to Bromley in 97 ish. I had been before but not much.
Three compasses is called that again after years at Murphy's or something in case you didn't know. Still have music on but I don't drink in Bromley Star and Garter now that was a rough pub.
The Oak or the Bird In Hand as they are 2 mins away.
Star and Garter not quite so much rough as lavender these days, lots of rainbow flags, if you get my drift. Whats the Bird in Hand like these days? Met the new Guvnor just before Xmas seemed like he wanted to take the place in the right direction. Had a bit of a rep as a shitehole beforehand though.
Back to seven ages, irritates me that in their eyes Rock started in the mid sixties. Alan Freed coined the phrase Rock n Roll in the early fifties, and debate over what was the first "Rock n Roll" record continues to this day. In Britain the first hit record is generally accepted as Bill Haley an His Comets "Rock Around the Clock" which was originally the B side of "Thirteen Women", and that came out in 1954.
It seems like the the producers could not be bothered to research anything that went on before their first memories of music. Lazy and shoddy.
The Oak or the Bird In Hand as they are 2 mins away.
Star and Garter not quite so much rough as lavender these days, lots of rainbow flags, if you get my drift. Whats the Bird in Hand like these days? Met the new Guvnor just before Xmas seemed like he wanted to take the place in the right direction. Had a bit of a rep as a shitehole beforehand though.
Is it. I know the Crown and Anchor had stopped being a gay pub but didn't realise the Star and Garter had taken over. There's a joke in their somewhere. Some nice pubs near the Crown and Anchor around freelands rd etc.
Bird in Hand is neither one thing or another. Great in the summer cos of the big beer garden, staff really friendly and a OK menu but not a gastro pub and not a local. Good for families and kids welcoming if that is your thing. Always packed when the sun comes out but in the location it is it could really make a killing with some better food.
[cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]Back to seven ages, irritates me that in their eyes Rock started in the mid sixties. Alan Freed coined the phrase Rock n Roll in the early fifties, and debate over what was the first "Rock n Roll" record continues to this day. In Britain the first hit record is generally accepted as Bill Haley an His Comets "Rock Around the Clock" which was originally the B side of "Thirteen Women", and that came out in 1954.
It seems like the the producers could not be bothered to research anything that went on before their first memories of music. Lazy and shoddy.
but Rock as opposed to rock and roll would be late 60s but agree the show is a bit shoddy and written from today's perspective.
The mighty Alan freeman used to have a record shop in bromley high street, was above a fashion store called mates,there was also a pub further down the high street Called Henekys, which played hard rock/heavy metal on friday and saturday nights hosted by Del Stevens.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]Back to seven ages, irritates me that in their eyes Rock started in the mid sixties. Alan Freed coined the phrase Rock n Roll in the early fifties, and debate over what was the first "Rock n Roll" record continues to this day. In Britain the first hit record is generally accepted as Bill Haley an His Comets "Rock Around the Clock" which was originally the B side of "Thirteen Women", and that came out in 1954.
It seems like the the producers could not be bothered to research anything that went on before their first memories of music. Lazy and shoddy.[/quote]
but Rock as opposed to rock and roll would be late 60s but agree the show is a bit shoddy and written from today's perspective.
And I will raise you with Rocket 88.[/quote]
That's why I said the debate over the first RnR record goes on to this day, Haley made a lot of records that could be described as Rock n Roll before 1954, as did Amos Milburn, Fats Domino and Wynonie Harris to name but three. Although of course they were black, and it was not until Haley and Elvis came along that white people began to listen to RnR.
Of course you could then throw the beginings of Rockabilly into the ring, and start a whole new debate as to where you draw the line between Country/Bluegrass and Rockabilly?
As for the Rock thing, it's bugged me for years when I hear people refer to Rock as Rock n Roll, but by doing so, surely that drags true RnR into the whole Rock genreand therefore they should have started at the beginning (wherever that may be...)
For what it is worth I say Elvis because he and Sam Phillips successfully (eg commercially) merged two quite related but seperated musical forms - R & B and Country. Elvis was more than a white guy who sang black. He brought in country sounds as well to create Rock and Roll as it is known now.
I do think of Rock as being a child of rock and roll but most rock music when you listen to it is 4 bar blues/rock and roll whether that is the Velvet Underground (simple three chord songs), Led Zep (hidden under the screaming and solos) or T Rex.
The Stones made a whole career out of being a very very good blues/rock n roll band.
Sabbath invented Heavy metal, Priest invented the style/fashion, Motley Crue took invented it in the USA, Maiden now rule the world, Metallica are the ones keeping it real.
Where was the reference to Free, from the 70's Def Leppard, Thunder, Angel witch (yes, really), Saxon, Machine Head, Neal Kay, Tommy Vance, etc etc.
I know it's only an hour but far too much has been ignored.
When a programme devotes that much time to someone like Motley Crue then you know it's shite. End of.
The general consensus seems to be that for a series that promised so much all it has done so far is leave an all round sense of disappointment - on all fronts.
I was thinking that they skim over the subjects, and focus on just a few bands to keep the casual watcher interested as well as agreeing with the previous suggestion that they just use stock footage they have "lying around". But then, why have relatively obscure artists as the main part of the show - Motley Crue being a great example - the casual watcher would surely be more interested if it was a band he/she had heard of?
I think they have tried to please eveyone, and as so often happens, have ended up pleasing no-one.
Did anyone see the Stadium rock edition on Saturday.
Same faults as before. Bands like the Stones and the Who passed over as being from the 60's and a passing reference to Led Zep but lots of film of Kiss, Queen and U2 Urrrrrrgh! No real definition of what stadium rock was or why it was important. Just an excuse to use the film they had and feature some bands that would help flog the series in the States.
BTW the ex-Kiss guys looked terrible. Mutton, dyed hair, syrups, botox. At least Bruce Springsteen and Andy Summers have aged well and don't pretend they are still young.
And how much time did the devote to the Police? The Police ffs, hardly most peoples idea of a "rock" band - which is what the show is supposed to be about after all.
Made me laugh how they said that Led Zep "invented" stadium rock (er ....ok - as if that makes up for leaving them out of every other show so far) then proceeded to largely ignore them!
The other thing that sprang to mind. Someone should ask the pope .... sorry, Bono .... what the carbon footprint was like for the Zoo TV tour - the holier than thou hypocrite!!! ;o)
Crap. crap crap! Such a self indulgent subjective series it's untrue! So many sweeping statements and generalisations.
"Kurt Cobain is the last ever Rock Star!" Yeah right. If he hadn't have topped himself he'd be a nobody now, Sure they did a couple of good tunes but they were hardly The Who were they?
They've done it again this week!!
"Together Morrisey and Marr formed the most significant songwriting partnership of the 80's"
Oh really?
A few of good tunes yes, but when have you ever heard Smiths song and not known it's them?
Wellar. Tillbrook&Difford piss all over that lot.
The Smiths are one of the the greatest bands ever for me; in case you hadn't noticed it was supposed to be about indie music, so no room for Squeeze there. Mind you I don't see how Oasis can be called indie either.
Great program but I thought the omission of New Order was a bit glaring and would've liked a bit more of the Mary Chain.
Last weeks turned in to more brit pop. I did enjoy the suede parts. If they had of left out the rubbish at the end (franz and kaisers) could have had more decent music.
Obviously you're never going to please everyone with something like this, but it seems like they have somehow managed to pee off almost everyone.
For the record I thought the last one was about the most accurate in some respects, although possibly because they were concentrating on a narrower genre/area (i.e. British bands from around a certain time) and maybe, just maybe they knew a bit more about it without fcuking up on their research. Also, I suppose they couldn't have got any worse than some of the earlier programmes.
No mention of the Manic Street Preachers though, amongst others, and the way everything post the Blur/Oasis "boom" until more recent times was papered over and more or less labelled rubbish was a tad annoying to say the least.
Come on lads. Music is more about opinons than football!
It is very difficult to by objective about either.
My point about this programme has been its generalisations and sweeping statements.
It is totally subjective.
To try and put 40 years of rock into 7 different genres was just silly. There were so many ommisions and so many unworthy mentions, in my opinion!
It may be fair to say that your favourite types of music/bands are ones that were prominent during your formative years. Of course some people who are realy into music move with the times.
I was mad about music but it started to dwindle in about 84/85 as I came out of my teens.
I like some modern music but without wanting to sound like an old fogey, I can't keep up with all the names.
It is so different these days with all the downloads and the demise of the single. As a lad I used to love to by 2 singles each week and follow their progress up the chart.
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;o)
Used to go to Henry's sometimes (obviously) or that place opp the Bell as lots of work people went in there. Terrible. Quite liked the Partridge next door but first choice was and it the Abbe'
Ah, have just seen your post on another thread about not being that familiar with Bromley that far back, so you probably wont have heard of the Compasses then. Probably just as well. I only ever went in there once and never even got as far as the (packed) bar before a bunch of hairy bikers "suggested" we leave. Funny looking back now - but shat it at the time!
Three compasses is called that again after years at Murphy's or something in case you didn't know. Still have music on but I don't drink in Bromley Star and Garter now that was a rough pub.
The Oak or the Bird In Hand as they are 2 mins away.
It seems like the the producers could not be bothered to research anything that went on before their first memories of music. Lazy and shoddy.
Is it. I know the Crown and Anchor had stopped being a gay pub but didn't realise the Star and Garter had taken over. There's a joke in their somewhere. Some nice pubs near the Crown and Anchor around freelands rd etc.
Bird in Hand is neither one thing or another. Great in the summer cos of the big beer garden, staff really friendly and a OK menu but not a gastro pub and not a local. Good for families and kids welcoming if that is your thing. Always packed when the sun comes out but in the location it is it could really make a killing with some better food.
but Rock as opposed to rock and roll would be late 60s but agree the show is a bit shoddy and written from today's perspective.
And I will raise you with Rocket 88.
It seems like the the producers could not be bothered to research anything that went on before their first memories of music. Lazy and shoddy.[/quote]
but Rock as opposed to rock and roll would be late 60s but agree the show is a bit shoddy and written from today's perspective.
And I will raise you with Rocket 88.[/quote]
That's why I said the debate over the first RnR record goes on to this day, Haley made a lot of records that could be described as Rock n Roll before 1954, as did Amos Milburn, Fats Domino and Wynonie Harris to name but three. Although of course they were black, and it was not until Haley and Elvis came along that white people began to listen to RnR.
Of course you could then throw the beginings of Rockabilly into the ring, and start a whole new debate as to where you draw the line between Country/Bluegrass and Rockabilly?
As for the Rock thing, it's bugged me for years when I hear people refer to Rock as
Rock n Roll, but by doing so, surely that drags true RnR into the whole Rock genreand therefore they should have started at the beginning (wherever that may be...)
I do think of Rock as being a child of rock and roll but most rock music when you listen to it is 4 bar blues/rock and roll whether that is the Velvet Underground (simple three chord songs), Led Zep (hidden under the screaming and solos) or T Rex.
The Stones made a whole career out of being a very very good blues/rock n roll band.
It's only Rock and Roll but I like it.
Sabbath invented Heavy metal, Priest invented the style/fashion, Motley Crue took invented it in the USA, Maiden now rule the world, Metallica are the ones keeping it real.
Where was the reference to Free, from the 70's Def Leppard, Thunder, Angel witch (yes, really), Saxon, Machine Head, Neal Kay, Tommy Vance, etc etc.
I know it's only an hour but far too much has been ignored.
The general consensus seems to be that for a series that promised so much all it has done so far is leave an all round sense of disappointment - on all fronts.
I think they have tried to please eveyone, and as so often happens, have ended up pleasing no-one.
Iggy Pop's Rider - laugh out loud funny in parts.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/iggypop/iggypop1.html
Same faults as before. Bands like the Stones and the Who passed over as being from the 60's and a passing reference to Led Zep but lots of film of Kiss, Queen and U2 Urrrrrrgh! No real definition of what stadium rock was or why it was important. Just an excuse to use the film they had and feature some bands that would help flog the series in the States.
BTW the ex-Kiss guys looked terrible. Mutton, dyed hair, syrups, botox. At least Bruce Springsteen and Andy Summers have aged well and don't pretend they are still young.
Made me laugh how they said that Led Zep "invented" stadium rock (er ....ok - as if that makes up for leaving them out of every other show so far) then proceeded to largely ignore them!
The other thing that sprang to mind. Someone should ask the pope .... sorry, Bono .... what the carbon footprint was like for the Zoo TV tour - the holier than thou hypocrite!!!
;o)
now where's my Styx World Tour t-shirt gone?
I didn't realise it was only meant to be a Nirvana/REM mutual wank-a-thon documentary. All been said and done before - utterly pointless!
"Kurt Cobain is the last ever Rock Star!" Yeah right. If he hadn't have topped himself he'd be a nobody now, Sure they did a couple of good tunes but they were hardly The Who were they?
"Together Morrisey and Marr formed the most significant songwriting partnership of the 80's"
Oh really?
A few of good tunes yes, but when have you ever heard Smiths song and not known it's them?
Wellar. Tillbrook&Difford piss all over that lot.
Great program but I thought the omission of New Order was a bit glaring and would've liked a bit more of the Mary Chain.
Obviously you're never going to please everyone with something like this, but it seems like they have somehow managed to pee off almost everyone.
For the record I thought the last one was about the most accurate in some respects, although possibly because they were concentrating on a narrower genre/area (i.e. British bands from around a certain time) and maybe, just maybe they knew a bit more about it without fcuking up on their research. Also, I suppose they couldn't have got any worse than some of the earlier programmes.
No mention of the Manic Street Preachers though, amongst others, and the way everything post the Blur/Oasis "boom" until more recent times was papered over and more or less labelled rubbish was a tad annoying to say the least.
Never got into the Smiths but speculated to the wife "maybe if we had been younger when they came on the scene we would have liked them"
"No" she replied "they were too up their own arses". Move over Julie Burchill.
That has to be one of the most bizarre ways to question a band's validity.
Lyrically & musically just the best.
'A few good tunes'.
Oh dear.
It is very difficult to by objective about either.
My point about this programme has been its generalisations and sweeping statements.
It is totally subjective.
To try and put 40 years of rock into 7 different genres was just silly. There were so many ommisions and so many unworthy mentions, in my opinion!
It may be fair to say that your favourite types of music/bands are ones that were prominent during your formative years. Of course some people who are realy into music move with the times.
I was mad about music but it started to dwindle in about 84/85 as I came out of my teens.
I like some modern music but without wanting to sound like an old fogey, I can't keep up with all the names.
It is so different these days with all the downloads and the demise of the single. As a lad I used to love to by 2 singles each week and follow their progress up the chart.