I never dared drop litter as a kid, I remember me mum saying that my coat pockets were always full with wrappers when it came round to washing them. Can't say the same for the kids who used my shop, they were just as bad as the smokers and would drop their wrapper 2 foot from the fuckin bin
remember reading about some bloke who had fly tipped using the excuse he was dropping it off for a charity shop. he said he couldn't remember where the shop was so he dumped it nearby thinking they would spot it and think it was for them. the items he was giving to charity were 15 tractor tyres and an old washing machine.
As a child in the fifties I was taught not to drop litter. Sixty years on, I still don't drop litter. Unfortunately it appears the modern child is no longer taught such things. It's nothing to do with austerity. It's entirely due to respect or total lack of.
Being an expert in this field as it keeps me in the manor i'm accustomed I can reveal..
1.Smokers are by far the worst. 2.Kebab shops, Chinese and Indian takeaways have no concept of recycling and will leave rubbish anywhere. 3.Those that have mentioned immigration do have a point. It is a fact that there are different cultural differences in the attitude to rubbish disposal.
My pet hate are those people that eat cheap chicken and chips on the bus and just drop everything around them.
Indicative of a general drop in personal morality and discipline in my opinion.
If I dropped litter as a child I was severely reprimanded. Nowadays I would probably be complimented for my sense of free expression or some other bollocks.
Indicative of a general drop in personal morality and discipline in my opinion.
If I dropped litter as a child I was severely reprimanded. Nowadays I would probably be complimented for my sense of free expression or some other bollocks.
If parents don't give a shit then the kids won't. Everyone seems aware of their own rights and everyone else can just f*** off!
Some of the parenting(or lack of) I observe is shocking.
In my day, you had the Green Cross Code and Don't Drop Litter and soming about glue sniffing as a few examples of initiatives that seemed to serve me and my generation quite well.
These days it's don't stab each other and don't refer to each other as a he or a she, but as a they.
General good citizenship and taking pride in one's area ain't really on the agenda these days, unless of course a local authority can make a quick buck with a fine....
Littering really winds me up, it is an absolute reflection of someone's character to just drop litter.
Most if not all local authorities now issue fines for people caught littering, outside one of our buildings smokers are forever getting issued fines for dropping fag butts and leaving them. It got to the point I had to explain to people it's pretty scummy and the argument I heard back was "do you want me to put a lit cigarette in the bin"?
I didn't go as postal as every sinew in my body was urging me to, I just pointed out that yes, they could extinguish the cigarette on the floor, and would it be too much to expect for them to then put that extinguished cigarette in the bin or the ashtray as opposed to leaving it on the floor. Or they could carry on paying 60 quid fines
Next time you see someone casually discard some litter on the street, just say "I bet your house is a fucking pig sty". That tends to get a reaction
Where I used to live a bloke used to walk his dog and let it off on the green outside my house to have a shit, I saw him do this most mornings and evenings and knew he left the shit there and my lovely next door neighbour was forever cleaning it up. I was waiting for a lift to work one morning when matey and his Staff turned up for their morning dirty protest and he watched the dog do a massive great big shit and carried on to walk off past me. I stopped him and told him to pick his dogs shit up, he told me in the predictable arsehole way that his dog hadn't done a shit. Now some people, in fact most people would have got embarrassed at this point and maybe asked for a plastic bag, apologised, or produced a bag to pick the turd up. This dickhead didn't, so I grabbed hold of him, marched him over to the site of the dog dirt and told him I'd rub his face in it if he didn't pick it up, the dog was going spare barking at me, the bloke was then screaming and hollering. At this point my mate who I used to car share with had turned up and knowing the SP had got out to join the fun. A few neighbours came out too and in the end captain dogshit picked the shit up with the aid of a bag given to him by one of the neighbours. It was worth being late for work that day and he never let his dog shit there again, I absolutely would have fed him that dog shit too if he had continued to resist
Society has a role to play in stopping shitarses littering, it always used to be socially unacceptable. Sadly paying litter wardens to fine people seems to be a deterrent but they can't follow every dreg of humanity around ensuring they behave like a human being as opposed to a chimp
Littering really winds me up, it is an absolute reflection of someone's character to just drop litter.
Most if not all local authorities now issue fines for people caught littering, outside one of our buildings smokers are forever getting issued fines for dropping fag butts and leaving them. It got to the point I had to explain to people it's pretty scummy and the argument I heard back was "do you want me to put a lit cigarette in the bin"?
I didn't go as postal as every sinew in my body was urging me to, I just pointed out that yes, they could extinguish the cigarette on the floor, and would it be too much to expect for them to then put that extinguished cigarette in the bin or the ashtray as opposed to leaving it on the floor. Or they could carry on paying 60 quid fines
Next time you see someone casually discard some litter on the street, just say "I bet your house is a fucking pig sty". That tends to get a reaction
Where I used to live a bloke used to walk his dog and let it off on the green outside my house to have a shit, I saw him do this most mornings and evenings and knew he left the shit there and my lovely next door neighbour was forever cleaning it up. I was waiting for a lift to work one morning when matey and his Staff turned up for their morning dirty protest and he watched the dog do a massive great big shit and carried on to walk off past me. I stopped him and told him to pick his dogs shit up, he told me in the predictable arsehole way that his dog hadn't done a shit. Now some people, in fact most people would have got embarrassed at this point and maybe asked for a plastic bag, apologised, or produced a bag to pick the turd up. This dickhead didn't, so I grabbed hold of him, marched him over to the site of the dog dirt and told him I'd rub his face in it if he didn't pick it up, the dog was going spare barking at me, the bloke was then screaming and hollering. At this point my mate who I used to car share with had turned up and knowing the SP had got out to join the fun. A few neighbours came out too and in the end captain dogshit picked the shit up with the aid of a bag given to him by one of the neighbours. It was worth being late for work that day and he never let his dog shit there again, I absolutely would have fed him that dog shit too if he had continued to resist
Society has a role to play in stopping shitarses littering, it always used to be socially unacceptable. Sadly paying litter wardens to fine people seems to be a deterrent but they can't follow every dreg of humanity around ensuring they behave like a human being as opposed to a chimp
And that boys and girls is how he first met @T_C_E
Littering really winds me up, it is an absolute reflection of someone's character to just drop litter.
Most if not all local authorities now issue fines for people caught littering, outside one of our buildings smokers are forever getting issued fines for dropping fag butts and leaving them. It got to the point I had to explain to people it's pretty scummy and the argument I heard back was "do you want me to put a lit cigarette in the bin"?
I didn't go as postal as every sinew in my body was urging me to, I just pointed out that yes, they could extinguish the cigarette on the floor, and would it be too much to expect for them to then put that extinguished cigarette in the bin or the ashtray as opposed to leaving it on the floor. Or they could carry on paying 60 quid fines
Next time you see someone casually discard some litter on the street, just say "I bet your house is a fucking pig sty". That tends to get a reaction
Where I used to live a bloke used to walk his dog and let it off on the green outside my house to have a shit, I saw him do this most mornings and evenings and knew he left the shit there and my lovely next door neighbour was forever cleaning it up. I was waiting for a lift to work one morning when matey and his Staff turned up for their morning dirty protest and he watched the dog do a massive great big shit and carried on to walk off past me. I stopped him and told him to pick his dogs shit up, he told me in the predictable arsehole way that his dog hadn't done a shit. Now some people, in fact most people would have got embarrassed at this point and maybe asked for a plastic bag, apologised, or produced a bag to pick the turd up. This dickhead didn't, so I grabbed hold of him, marched him over to the site of the dog dirt and told him I'd rub his face in it if he didn't pick it up, the dog was going spare barking at me, the bloke was then screaming and hollering. At this point my mate who I used to car share with had turned up and knowing the SP had got out to join the fun. A few neighbours came out too and in the end captain dogshit picked the shit up with the aid of a bag given to him by one of the neighbours. It was worth being late for work that day and he never let his dog shit there again, I absolutely would have fed him that dog shit too if he had continued to resist
Society has a role to play in stopping shitarses littering, it always used to be socially unacceptable. Sadly paying litter wardens to fine people seems to be a deterrent but they can't follow every dreg of humanity around ensuring they behave like a human being as opposed to a chimp
I think there is a certain amount of confirmation bias and good old "it was better in my day" going on here.
Government statistics in 2015 (last I could find), suggested overall levels of littering had actually gone down in the 10 years up to 2015. However, there were 2 areas that had seen a 20% increase, fly tipping and fast food wrappers.
Anybody who's been to Welling will know that the number of fast food restaurants has soared in the last 20 years, which explains that. The fly tipping is harder to identify the cause of. Is is lack of facilities, increased costs to dispose of properly, massive change in attitude, drops in rural policing meaning chances of getting caught are less, etc. I imagine the's no one single cause, but equally I doubt it can be put down to lack of respect in the younger generation or immigrants, which seem to be who people want to blame based on nothing but existing biases.
I think there is a certain amount of confirmation bias and good old "it was better in my day" going on here.
Government statistics in 2015 (last I could find), suggested overall levels of littering had actually gone down in the 10 years up to 2015. However, there were 2 areas that had seen a 20% increase, fly tipping and fast food wrappers.
Anybody who's been to Welling will know that the number of fast food restaurants has soared in the last 20 years, which explains that. The fly tipping is harder to identify the cause of. Is is lack of facilities, increased costs to dispose of properly, massive change in attitude, drops in rural policing meaning chances of getting caught are less, etc. I imagine the's no one single cause, but equally I doubt it can be put down to lack of respect in the younger generation or immigrants, which seem to be who people want to blame based on nothing but existing biases.
I just think that anyone born after 1990 is a c$nt
Being an expert in this field as it keeps me in the manor i'm accustomed I can reveal..
1.Smokers are by far the worst. 2.Kebab shops, Chinese and Indian takeaways have no concept of recycling and will leave rubbish anywhere. 3.Those that have mentioned immigration do have a point. It is a fact that there are different cultural differences in the attitude to rubbish disposal.
My pet hate are those people that eat cheap chicken and chips on the bus and just drop everything around them.
On my recent trip home, I took the time to revisit some of the streets around Goodmayes/Seven kings, where I grew up. What I saw saddened me. I had flash backs to my childhood where most Sundays, the women would be sweeping the front of leaves, whilst their husband would be up a ladder, giving the front of the house a lick of paint. People then had pride in their property and the environment. In stark contrast today, filth and rubbish everywhere. Shops setting up their wares on the pavement, cardboard boxes, rotting vegetables. Kebab, fried Chicken and curry shops everywhere, with leftovers and bin bags surrounding them. Blokes standing on street corners, gobbing on the pavement. Very little greenery or hedges, with most front gardens concreted for car parking. No wonder all the sparrows have disappeared!
Is it true that kids aren't encouraged to throw their rubbish in the bin at school anymore?
Instead it doesn't matter if they drop it on the floor as someone will come along and pick it up once lunch break is done?
If that's the case (and I'm sure I remember reading it somewhere) then that needs to stop - the kids wont learn how to properly dispose of litter when they get older and need to be made aware of the damage it can do in the world.
It looks worse at the moment roadside simply because it's winter and the vegetation hasn't grown to hide it.
What can be done? Well fines would be nice if they could be applied in the same draconian way that speeding fines are handed out. So, litter cams maybe? Then regarding collection. I wouldn't necessarily hold up the USA as paragons of anything but, generally there's not much litter. I notice that often there's some local scout troop, church or some such that "sponsors" a mile or two of road and send out teams to collect litter. They used to (still do?) use prisoners to collect litter on the Interstates. So, bring back the chain gang. I quite like the idea of having Wayne Rooney in his hi-vis collecting crap on the M6.
It looks worse at the moment roadside simply because it's winter and the vegetation hasn't grown to hide it.
What can be done? Well fines would be nice if they could be applied in the same draconian way that speeding fines are handed out. So, litter cams maybe? Then regarding collection. I wouldn't necessarily hold up the USA as paragons of anything but, generally there's not much litter. I notice that often there's some local scout troop, church or some such that "sponsors" a mile or two of road and send out teams to collect litter. They used to (still do?) use prisoners to collect litter on the Interstates. So, bring back the chain gang. I quite like the idea of having Wayne Rooney in his hi-vis collecting crap on the M6.
It would be nice if people disposed of their own litter as it doesn't seem too much to ask. Maybe it's not their responsibility? Perhaps everyone should be free to litter and taking things to their logical conclusion be free to have a dump on the pavement if they want to - the council or some local charity could clean it up for them.
When I compare the littering now with the level of litter I remember as a kid things are far worse. No doubt someone can tell me this isn't the case and I'm imagining it based on my own personal bias.
Blaming fast food restaurants, packaging, lack of bins etc is nonsensical as despite all these so called massive problems I've always managed to dispose of my litter. Perhaps some people are just selfish, lazy etc or am I being a bully and insensitive for saying so?
Not so long ago I looked out of my kitchen window to see a mattress dumped in the middle of the road! Cars were having to stop and drive round the bloody thing! How much more effort did the fly tippers go to just to inconvenience more people? Thing is, Haringey council will come and pick up this sort of thing for free, so why would you dump it? Unique.
Driving along this morning the guy in front of me driving a flash BMW opens his door while stopped at the lights and dumps plastic bottles and cigarette packets onto the road. I don't really get what can be done to stop all the morons in London littering the city?
There is a sizeable minority of people who just don't seem to give a shit about their environment.
Goes with the BMW driver character, I bet he was turning either left or right, although he mastered the door catch and a bit of antisocial housekeeping the indicator stalk is still a mystery item.
Probably should have posted on ‘things that annoy you’ thread but more than half of the examples of bad driving I see involves BMW drivers. This had covered the Uk, France, Spain Holland and Belgium. All ages and other demographic factors are covered - the only common issue is the make of car. Tailgating, sudden u-turns, weaving in and out with no indicating, going through red lights. Sorry for digression but I’m glad I’ve got that off my chest.
Is it true that kids aren't encouraged to throw their rubbish in the bin at school anymore?
Instead it doesn't matter if they drop it on the floor as someone will come along and pick it up once lunch break is done?
If that's the case (and I'm sure I remember reading it somewhere) then that needs to stop - the kids wont learn how to properly dispose of litter when they get older and need to be made aware of the damage it can do in the world.
Among other things a punishment at my old school was to spend a break or lunchtime picking up litter with a bucket and a stick with pincers on. Fucking humiliating but also with the threat of some horrible 5th year arseholes armed with a stick that tended to dissuade potential pigs from dropping litter. That and a caretaker who played a bit fast and loose with the "you aren't meant to twat kids" rule ensured the school remained fairly clean
As a child in the fifties I was taught not to drop litter. Sixty years on, I still don't drop litter. Unfortunately it appears the modern child is no longer taught such things. It's nothing to do with austerity. It's entirely due to respect or total lack of.
Research suggests littering habits (or in yours and my case, non-littering) are formed at a very early age, and are hard-wired by the time children go to school. Of course, schools do their best to reform litterers, but this really is something which lies at the door of parents.
Its horrible every set of lights or roundabout you pull up at its strewn across.
When cycling the countryside hedges are not adverse to a tin being thrown out and I certainly don't get the mentality of the people that do it. Doe's keeping it in the car until you stop really harm that much? Do we really believe its just a youth problem and they are not encouraged to put litter in a bin at school? Come on it worse than just pin pointing youths.
The answers on stopping people littering im not really sure of other than education/discipline starting at home and being followed through at school.
In the meantime the government should act anyone that wants to claim benefits lets get them working restoring our roadside/countryside. Petty criminals that are serving time get them out and start clearing
There is a counter argument that this would encourage the scum bags that do this but until we find a better solution lets have a go.
Littering really boils my piss, just no excuse for being a thoughtless, anti-social piece of shit. I got the train to Donny on Saturday and the state of the line was shocking, so much crap just thrown over back fences onto the embankments. There was a full rusty swing set that instead of being dismantled and disposed of down at the local tip it was just dumped over the fence intact amongst the bags of who knows what. I can’t comprehend the mentality of those who see nothing wrong with messing up their own environment.
It's just plain selfish behaviour. I think Network Rail should just chuck it all back over the fences.
Being an expert in this field as it keeps me in the manor i'm accustomed I can reveal..
1.Smokers are by far the worst.
Totally with you on smokers Baldy. It just seems a matter of routine normality to the vast majority of 'cigarette' smokers to just chuck their finished dirty tab end wherever they choose. Bizarre, lazy and arrogant. And as an aside, the saddest thing that I'd ever seen were smokers outside the hospital doors!
I'm sure that a lot of fly tipping is an unintended consequences of land fill tax and recycling policies. The £64 per tonne tax means that a 2 yard mini skip can cost best part of £100 and a proper builder's skip more like £500. Couple that with the hassle of taking things to the recycling centre and it's no doubt that many of society's bottom feeders choose to just chuck their muck anywhere. I'm not saying that recycling is a bad thing, but the way it's organised often doesn't make it feel like an easy or positive experience.
I'm sure that a lot of fly tipping is an unintended consequences of land fill tax and recycling policies. The £64 per tonne tax means that a 2 yard mini skip can cost best part of £100 and a proper builder's skip more like £500. Couple that with the hassle of taking things to the recycling centre and it's no doubt that many of society's bottom feeders choose to just chuck their muck anywhere. I'm not saying that recycling is a bad thing, but the way it's organised often doesn't make it feel like an easy or positive experience.
Things just need to be made easier for people that are just too lazy to do anything - they could be given a personal assistant who could help them with the rubbish, opening doors etc. Making people do things themselves or asking them to be considerate is really just bullying.
Councils should really help people bag up their rubbish as otherwise they'll have to flytip assuming they have the energy to do so. For those too lazy to even flytip they could perhaps be helped to do so.
In Hastings town centre they are now prosecuting people for dropping fag ends. The local papers court page is full of people who have been done. £100 fine in each and every case. Our traveller friends meanwhile park illegally somewhere for weeks, leave a ton of shit behind them when they finally get moved on, and we the taxpayer have to pay the cost of removing it because everyone, including plod, are scared shitless of them.
Being an expert in this field as it keeps me in the manor i'm accustomed I can reveal..
1.Smokers are by far the worst.
Totally with you on smokers Baldy. It just seems a matter of routine normality to the vast majority of 'cigarette' smokers to just chuck their finished dirty tab end wherever they choose. Bizarre, lazy and arrogant. And as an aside, the saddest thing that I'd ever seen were smokers outside the hospital doors!
Recently hospitals have tried banning smoking on campus even for their drug, alcohol and mental health patients. These people cannot leave to have a cigarette, not being able to smoke in many cases massively increases the issues they have and often keeps them in hospital longer. Better they are allowed to smoke outside than not at all.
Being an expert in this field as it keeps me in the manor i'm accustomed I can reveal..
1.Smokers are by far the worst.
Totally with you on smokers Baldy. It just seems a matter of routine normality to the vast majority of 'cigarette' smokers to just chuck their finished dirty tab end wherever they choose. Bizarre, lazy and arrogant. And as an aside, the saddest thing that I'd ever seen were smokers outside the hospital doors!
Recently hospitals have tried banning smoking on campus even for their drug, alcohol and mental health patients. These people cannot leave to have a cigarette, not being able to smoke in many cases massively increases the issues they have and often keeps them in hospital longer. Better they are allowed to smoke outside than not at all.
The use the fucking smoking shelters provided, not force everybody else to push past their fetid stench in the door ways. Saddest/vilest thing I've seen is pregnant women, ambulance crews, nurses all doing this as well, blocking the door smoking.
If there is a genuine for a smoking area for certain classifications of patients then it should be well away from any entrance, and staff should use the smoking shelters or leave site.
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Unfortunately it appears the modern child is no longer taught such things.
It's nothing to do with austerity. It's entirely due to respect or total lack of.
1.Smokers are by far the worst.
2.Kebab shops, Chinese and Indian takeaways have no concept of recycling and will leave rubbish anywhere.
3.Those that have mentioned immigration do have a point. It is a fact that there are different cultural differences in the attitude to rubbish disposal.
My pet hate are those people that eat cheap chicken and chips on the bus and just drop everything around them.
If I dropped litter as a child I was severely reprimanded. Nowadays I would probably be complimented for my sense of free expression or some other bollocks.
Some of the parenting(or lack of) I observe is shocking.
These days it's don't stab each other and don't refer to each other as a he or a she, but as a they.
General good citizenship and taking pride in one's area ain't really on the agenda these days, unless of course a local authority can make a quick buck with a fine....
Most if not all local authorities now issue fines for people caught littering, outside one of our buildings smokers are forever getting issued fines for dropping fag butts and leaving them. It got to the point I had to explain to people it's pretty scummy and the argument I heard back was "do you want me to put a lit cigarette in the bin"?
I didn't go as postal as every sinew in my body was urging me to, I just pointed out that yes, they could extinguish the cigarette on the floor, and would it be too much to expect for them to then put that extinguished cigarette in the bin or the ashtray as opposed to leaving it on the floor. Or they could carry on paying 60 quid fines
Next time you see someone casually discard some litter on the street, just say "I bet your house is a fucking pig sty". That tends to get a reaction
Where I used to live a bloke used to walk his dog and let it off on the green outside my house to have a shit, I saw him do this most mornings and evenings and knew he left the shit there and my lovely next door neighbour was forever cleaning it up. I was waiting for a lift to work one morning when matey and his Staff turned up for their morning dirty protest and he watched the dog do a massive great big shit and carried on to walk off past me. I stopped him and told him to pick his dogs shit up, he told me in the predictable arsehole way that his dog hadn't done a shit. Now some people, in fact most people would have got embarrassed at this point and maybe asked for a plastic bag, apologised, or produced a bag to pick the turd up. This dickhead didn't, so I grabbed hold of him, marched him over to the site of the dog dirt and told him I'd rub his face in it if he didn't pick it up, the dog was going spare barking at me, the bloke was then screaming and hollering. At this point my mate who I used to car share with had turned up and knowing the SP had got out to join the fun. A few neighbours came out too and in the end captain dogshit picked the shit up with the aid of a bag given to him by one of the neighbours. It was worth being late for work that day and he never let his dog shit there again, I absolutely would have fed him that dog shit too if he had continued to resist
Society has a role to play in stopping shitarses littering, it always used to be socially unacceptable. Sadly paying litter wardens to fine people seems to be a deterrent but they can't follow every dreg of humanity around ensuring they behave like a human being as opposed to a chimp
Government statistics in 2015 (last I could find), suggested overall levels of littering had actually gone down in the 10 years up to 2015. However, there were 2 areas that had seen a 20% increase, fly tipping and fast food wrappers.
Anybody who's been to Welling will know that the number of fast food restaurants has soared in the last 20 years, which explains that. The fly tipping is harder to identify the cause of. Is is lack of facilities, increased costs to dispose of properly, massive change in attitude, drops in rural policing meaning chances of getting caught are less, etc. I imagine the's no one single cause, but equally I doubt it can be put down to lack of respect in the younger generation or immigrants, which seem to be who people want to blame based on nothing but existing biases.
Very little greenery or hedges, with most front gardens concreted for car parking. No wonder all the sparrows have disappeared!
Instead it doesn't matter if they drop it on the floor as someone will come along and pick it up once lunch break is done?
If that's the case (and I'm sure I remember reading it somewhere) then that needs to stop - the kids wont learn how to properly dispose of litter when they get older and need to be made aware of the damage it can do in the world.
What can be done? Well fines would be nice if they could be applied in the same draconian way that speeding fines are handed out. So, litter cams maybe? Then regarding collection. I wouldn't necessarily hold up the USA as paragons of anything but, generally there's not much litter. I notice that often there's some local scout troop, church or some such that "sponsors" a mile or two of road and send out teams to collect litter. They used to (still do?) use prisoners to collect litter on the Interstates. So, bring back the chain gang. I quite like the idea of having Wayne Rooney in his hi-vis collecting crap on the M6.
When I compare the littering now with the level of litter I remember as a kid things are far worse. No doubt someone can tell me this isn't the case and I'm imagining it based on my own personal bias.
Blaming fast food restaurants, packaging, lack of bins etc is nonsensical as despite all these so called massive problems I've always managed to dispose of my litter. Perhaps some people are just selfish, lazy etc or am I being a bully and insensitive for saying so?
When cycling the countryside hedges are not adverse to a tin being thrown out and I certainly don't get the mentality of the people that do it.
Doe's keeping it in the car until you stop really harm that much?
Do we really believe its just a youth problem and they are not encouraged to put litter in a bin at school? Come on it worse than just pin pointing youths.
The answers on stopping people littering im not really sure of other than education/discipline starting at home and being followed through at school.
In the meantime the government should act anyone that wants to claim benefits lets get them working restoring our roadside/countryside.
Petty criminals that are serving time get them out and start clearing
There is a counter argument that this would encourage the scum bags that do this but until we find a better solution lets have a go.
The next step is to encourage them to put the sticky wrappers in the bin, rather than directly into my pocket...
I think Network Rail should just chuck it all back over the fences.
And as an aside, the saddest thing that I'd ever seen were smokers outside the hospital doors!
Councils should really help people bag up their rubbish as otherwise they'll have to flytip assuming they have the energy to do so. For those too lazy to even flytip they could perhaps be helped to do so.
Our traveller friends meanwhile park illegally somewhere for weeks, leave a ton of shit behind them when they finally get moved on, and we the taxpayer have to pay the cost of removing it because everyone, including plod, are scared shitless of them.
If there is a genuine for a smoking area for certain classifications of patients then it should be well away from any entrance, and staff should use the smoking shelters or leave site.