Oxford appoint Robinson as head coach

Henry Irving

agim said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

How do you know he didn't care? From what I've heard he was genuine about his passion fir the club and wanted to succeed but the environment (as you can imagine with current owners) was/is toxic. He'd had enough by the end of Feb by all accounts. I don't know your profession but imagine your boss sacked co-workers, reduced your budget and constantly made bad decisions that had a negative effect. I think I'd quit too

Same so called "passion" he showed at MK Dons and now at Oxford. All a sham.

He came in knowing the situation was toxic and was told about the owners but still not only took the job but went out of his way to praise them.

He'd had enough when the team dived down the table. Before then he told us "we had our club back".

Henry Irving

cafcsinger said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

I don't think you can argue he didn't care. Granted he did talk drivel a lot, but a manager praising their boss is nothing new. As mentioned though some of the abuse he got 'fat scouse wanker' was not very classy and quite bizarre. I don't recall any other Charlton manager getting these things thrown at him, particularly by decent and insightful posters on here

Yes, I can argue he didn't care. it was all show and the same routine as at MK Dons and now Oxford.

Lots of other managers have been abused, unfortunately, although for obvious reason only Robinson gets called a fat scouse.

Airman Brown

Very measured take on Karl Robinson by Matt Wright in VOTV143 on Saturday.

Croydon

Airman Brown said:

Very measured take on Karl Robinson by Matt Wright in VOTV143 on Saturday.

I don't want measured, I want vitriolic abuse. Get Henners to write his biography.

Covered End

eaststandmike said:

Rolling out the "Lady Luck" bollocks he used to spout here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43741115

KR - ' you can't control the unpredictability of the results'.

Err, yes you can you complete bell, that's what you are paid to do.

Horsfield9

He failed to realise that possession doesn't win matches , it's goals that win you games!

Norman_Smith

Wow. Oxford took for points off Gobinson this season will probably keep them up.

Norman_Smith

Correction Four points

golfaddick

Norman_Smith said:

Correction Four points

Did it on purpose - knew he was going there & insured they'd stay up !

Redskin

What a bunch of pathetic, snivelling babies some people come across as on here. You got what you wanted and he's gone, yet you still want to stick the boot in. Grow up.

killerandflash

Henry Irving said:

killerandflash said:

agim said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

How do you know he didn't care? From what I've heard he was genuine about his passion fir the club and wanted to succeed but the environment (as you can imagine with current owners) was/is toxic. He'd had enough by the end of Feb by all accounts. I don't know your profession but imagine your boss sacked co-workers, reduced your budget and constantly made bad decisions that had a negative effect. I think I'd quit too

I'm assuming he quit because he knew that the new owners would replace him, and then the right job came up for him (on a personal level due to its location) so he went for it. I couldn't see him quitting Charlton to take a job at Plymouth or Doncaster for example.

Just not true. He was touting himself for the Fleetwood job.

But was he seriously after the Fleetwood job, or was he just letting the wider football world that he was available?

cantersaddick

Things had clearly gone wrong behind the scenes at some point. Once things go toxic there is no turning back. He needed to go and it took longer than it should which fed a lot of anger and abuse towards him.

I had supported him until around the Oxford game when it became clear to me the players had lost faith in him and weren't playing. I got angry - very angry and abused him a bit on here. I was very glad he was gone but I've gone back to not hating him again.

He's not a brilliant manager and isn't going to get a squad to wildly outperform expectations. To get promotion he will need to have the best players in the league to fit his system and a bit of luck around injuries etc. At the same time he's not a terrible manager and tries to do things the right way - I admit sometimes that's annoying and pragmatic football is what's needed. I won't begrudge him any future success.

He was simply the wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time. Wasn't the problem but wasn't the solution and wasn't making the best of the situation either.

Charlton is about hardworking players all fighting together and the team being greater than the sum of the parts. He was all about fancy football and looking good the two don't align. Even if roly wasn't here.

Redskin

@Irving
Still hiding behind lols?
Make your point.

Rufus_Ambition

Great post @cantersaddick

Phil

I’ll never forget him laughing at the end of the Fleetwood game which was one of the worst in living memory.
Nor will I forget all that guff about the players can go and come back at pre-season when he was already leaving himself.
How about telling us the players can’t perform because of matters off the pitch.
How about him letting it be known he’d offered to resign twice knowing full well it wouldn’t be accepted.
All that aside from his refusal to change, play Dijksteel and Aribo added to sending KAG out on loan. Not playing Ajose, telling us Zyro couldn’t play 90 minutes or up front.
Failure to get Reeves and many others to play anywhere near their best.
All that plus the endless bu***hit.
However, he had passion and really cared about the club.....yeah, right!

agim

Henry Irving said:

agim said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

How do you know he didn't care? From what I've heard he was genuine about his passion fir the club and wanted to succeed but the environment (as you can imagine with current owners) was/is toxic. He'd had enough by the end of Feb by all accounts. I don't know your profession but imagine your boss sacked co-workers, reduced your budget and constantly made bad decisions that had a negative effect. I think I'd quit too

Same so called "passion" he showed at MK Dons and now at Oxford. All a sham.

He came in knowing the situation was toxic and was told about the owners but still not only took the job but went out of his way to praise them.

He'd had enough when the team dived down the table. Before then he told us "we had our club back".

I can understand why he took the job. I'm not really defending KR but I think from the outside Charlton was a attractive job for him. He's obviously self confident but all managers are. I don't think he handled his last few months here well and if anything I'll remember him for bottling it BUT I don't think he done as bad as some on here think.
The guy I know who spoke to him up at Blackpool said he was completely exasperated with the owners and was left in the dark about everything.

Henry Irving

agim said:

Henry Irving said:

agim said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

How do you know he didn't care? From what I've heard he was genuine about his passion fir the club and wanted to succeed but the environment (as you can imagine with current owners) was/is toxic. He'd had enough by the end of Feb by all accounts. I don't know your profession but imagine your boss sacked co-workers, reduced your budget and constantly made bad decisions that had a negative effect. I think I'd quit too

Same so called "passion" he showed at MK Dons and now at Oxford. All a sham.

He came in knowing the situation was toxic and was told about the owners but still not only took the job but went out of his way to praise them.

He'd had enough when the team dived down the table. Before then he told us "we had our club back".

I can understand why he took the job. I'm not really defending KR but I think from the outside Charlton was a attractive job for him. He's obviously self confident but all managers are. I don't think he handled his last few months here well and if anything I'll remember him for bottling it BUT I don't think he done as bad as some on here think.
The guy I know who spoke to him up at Blackpool said he was completely exasperated with the owners and was left in the dark about everything.

I don't blame him for taking the job either, he was unemployed after failing at MK Dons (which tells you something).

I don't blame him for looking for another job either.

It was how he acted when he was in the job.

None of that would matter if he won games, but he didn't

The "passion" stuff is meaningless and always was. Just win games

JamesSeed

Henry Irving said:

cafcsinger said:

Henry Irving said:

Pelling1993 said:

I still don't quite understand the level of hatred for Robinson on here. Not a good manager and i'm glad he is gone from a footballing perspective, but he did seem to genuinely care about us and only ever tried his best. Personal attacks about his weight and calling him Gobinson etc. are way OTT imo

Only he didn't care. He is happy to sing the praises of whoever he thinks will advance his career be it Roland, Katrien, the fans (at whichever club) but mainly himself.

Don't hate him and don't care that much but seeing him struggle after all the shit we heard on here and elsewhere about what a great manager he was and how he had "passion" does raise a small smile.

I don't think you can argue he didn't care. Granted he did talk drivel a lot, but a manager praising their boss is nothing new. As mentioned though some of the abuse he got 'fat scouse wanker' was not very classy and quite bizarre. I don't recall any other Charlton manager getting these things thrown at him, particularly by decent and insightful posters on here

Yes, I can argue he didn't care. it was all show and the same routine as at MK Dons and now Oxford.

Lots of other managers have been abused, unfortunately, although for obvious reason only Robinson gets called a fat scouse.

Move on
Move on
The man has done nothing wrong.
He won a few matches
He lost a few matches
And now the 'Gobinson's' gone.

[Apologies for use of the 'G' word there]

MuttleyCAFC

I think he did some good things and have nothing against him and do wish him well. It just seemed to me that he was too inflexible which is surprising for a young guy (in management terms) who started very young.

Redskin

@Irving
Your hiding behind another lol is as predictable as it is spineless.
You only take on people you consider to be intellectually inferior: people like Paulie who you called 'dim' in another of your puritanical arguments.
Your self-regard and abject narcissism is as ugly as the physical body it lurks in.

bazjonster

It's no wonder his favourite band is Abba, with his favourite track being 'Take a Chance(r) On Me'!!

He masquerades as a football manager!

bazjonster

agim said:

I we really still talking about KR?

I, we are!

Davo55

Oxford are hosting Southend tomorrow.

KR vs SCP.

Never wanted Southend to win before but, come on you Blues!

WestCountryAddick

Redskin said:

@Irving
Your hiding behind another lol is as predictable as it is spineless.
You only take on people you consider to be intellectually inferior: people like Paulie who you called 'dim' in another of your puritanical arguments.
Your self-regard and abject narcissism is as ugly as the physical body it lurks in.

Digging someone out for making a personal insult then making a personal insult yourself.

And you have to the front to tell others to grow up?

MuttleyCAFC

I don't expect any manager to care in the same way as we do. Charlton is not Robinson's club - but when he became manager he bought into what the club could be and what he wanted to do for it. That is all I ask of a manager and expect him to do the same at Oxford. I won't criticise him for thinking he could solve the issue between owner and fans with words - it is ignorance but noble enough! He discovered the hard way what we already knew about the owner!

What I will criticise him for is his inflexibility tactically and I think it is hard to argue against this massive weakness. But other aspects I assume, I don't really know, he did well enough and I do think he tried his best.

Manicmania

KR patently stopped trying in his last month/6 weeks and then manufactured a move for himself. Whatever the rights or wrongs of it, if it was a player who did that he would get booed off the park whenever he came to the Valley.

MuttleyCAFC

I think that was understandable too.

Spanish

I doubt any manager, SCP and maybe Jose aside, will be remembered under the Dutchalet era. Ironically he came in when Nugent had done so well in his short stint. Unfortunately for KR, he talked an incredible game but rarely delivered. I didn't like it, even if true, when he spouted off after the Shrewsbury away game last season, calling out that certain players were not "playing for the club". KR will be remembered for his David Brent style press interviews, thankfully they've moved on to pastures new. He had a little spell when we were playing some neat football, but very much one I will want to forget when new owners are in and we're back in the Championship, at the very least.

Greenie Junior

Redskin said:

@Irving
Your hiding behind another lol is as predictable as it is spineless.
You only take on people you consider to be intellectually inferior: people like Paulie who you called 'dim' in another of your puritanical arguments.
Your self-regard and abject narcissism is as ugly as the physical body it lurks in.

“What a bunch of pathetic, snivelling babies some people come across as on here”

Henry Irving

MuttleyCAFC said:

I think that was understandable too.

Looking for a move yes.

The way he did it, no.

Publicly saying players who didn't want to be here could go home and come back in the summer when he was touting himself round.

Saying he wasn't interested in the Oxford job as he was loyal to Charlton.

Ring Oxford players to tell them he was there new manager before he'd left, something the same players rang their mates in the Charlton squad about.

Going public about twice "trying to" resign.

I could go on.

In those 6 weeks we dropped out of the play offs and won, I think, one game.

If we miss out on the play-offs (remember Karl promised we'd never be out of automatic promotion chase) we can point to that run and in particular to Blackpool and Fleetwood as the key reason.