Richard Murray

rememberbillybonds

I am surprised that no one started this before. I thought it was sad that Richard Murray was booed when he presented to Johnny Jackson on Saturday. I understand why as Richard has been a supporter, or not a voice questioning them, of the RD, KM era.
Richard has been a part of the Charlton “ golden age” and obviously financially supported the club.
What does he need to do to recover from the support of RD? Or is it even possible?

stackitsteve

Picked the wrong side.

cafckev

I don't think he can or will recover from the damage he has done to his reputation by showing unconditional (that I believe) support to RD.
He should just back away from the club and go back to being a supporter.

LargeAddick

sad? I booed and I was disappointed more didn't and was surprised that most clapped. He is as much a persona non grata as RD is. He can't ever recover from the events of the RD years. He is as much the problem as RD is and KM was. Hope RD takes him with him when he goes.

Covered_End_Lad

*Johnnie Jackson

LargeAddick

cafckev said:

I don't think he can or will recover from the damage he has done to his reputation by showing unconditional (that I believe) support to RD.
He should just back away from the club and go back to being a supporter at Wolves.

amended for you

ricky_otto

I think the best thing he could do is get whatever monies he is owed and disappear in to the sunset.

Hartleypete

Time for him to move on, I really hope there is no position for him under any new ownership.

bolloxbolder

Judas

BDL

Rode on the success of others who had done groundwork, let Pardew get away with murder (which is why he got deposed), blocked PV on too many occasions. Deserves all the stick he now gets in my opinion. He is as culpable as Roland for our plight.

cafcfan1990

LargeAddick said:

sad? I booed and I was disappointed more didn't and was surprised that most clapped. He is as much a persona non grata as RD is. He can't ever recover from the events of the RD years. He is as much the problem as RD is and KM was. Hope RD takes him with him when he goes.

No way is Murray anywhere near as bad as RD. How people can say that after all he has done is beyond me.

Davo55

I don't hate Murray, because he was at the helm in the most successful and glorious period in my Charlton lifetime.

But I wouldn't trust him an inch, I wouldn't believe anything he says, I think he makes way too many errors of judgement. For those reasons alone he shouldn't be anywhere near the boardroom of our club and I hope he doesn't have a role in any new administration that comes in.

LargeAddick

cafcfan1990 said:

LargeAddick said:

sad? I booed and I was disappointed more didn't and was surprised that most clapped. He is as much a persona non grata as RD is. He can't ever recover from the events of the RD years. He is as much the problem as RD is and KM was. Hope RD takes him with him when he goes.

No way is Murray anywhere near as bad as RD. How people can say that after all he has done is beyond me.

the good things he did have been expunged by his actions under the reign of Roland.

dickplumb

If I was there I would have booed him.

CafcWest

I know many people think that Murray 'sided' with RD - but I'm not sure that he sees it like that. He probably (no idea if this is the case) feels that he has moderated some of Duchatelet's decisions and that things may have actually been worse had he not 'been in the middle'. Pretty sure its not a clear cut case that he has always sided with or agreed with Duchatelet's approach.

dickplumb

BDL said:

Rode on the success of others who had done groundwork, let Pardew get away with murder (which is why he got deposed), blocked PV on too many occasions. Deserves all the stick he now gets in my opinion. He is as culpable as Roland for our plight.

This.

lancashire lad

Murray is a successful businessman, like RD in some ways. He has presided over some good times at our club and made some good decisions. For him it started to go wrong with the appointment of Dowie and he has never recovered. Since the arrival of the Spivs and then RD it seems that he has sat quietly by following the party line, he has told us a number of lies including how we would be able to keep our young stars for longer and has been duplicit with RD in the current sale negotiations. As a successful businessman he must know what is going on but he has continues with lies and half truths.

In my opinion he should go when the new owners take over but I doubt that he will.

dickplumb

lancashire lad said:

Murray is a successful businessman, like RD in some ways. He has presided over some good times at our club and made some good decisions. For him it started to go wrong with the appointment of Dowie and he has never recovered. Since the arrival of the Spivs and then RD it seems that he has sat quietly by following the party line, he has told us a number of lies including how we would be able to keep our young stars for longer and has been duplicit with RD in the current sale negotiations. As a successful businessman he must know what is going on but he has continues with lies and half truths.

In my opinion he should go when the new owners take over but I doubt that he will.

This.

cafcfan1990

LargeAddick said:

cafcfan1990 said:

LargeAddick said:

sad? I booed and I was disappointed more didn't and was surprised that most clapped. He is as much a persona non grata as RD is. He can't ever recover from the events of the RD years. He is as much the problem as RD is and KM was. Hope RD takes him with him when he goes.

No way is Murray anywhere near as bad as RD. How people can say that after all he has done is beyond me.

the good things he did have been expunged by his actions under the reign of Roland.

yeah possibly, certainly agree a lot of good work is tainted. But to compare him to Roland is bewildering.

Yes both men have done a great deal of damage over the last few years, but Murray had previous good things to fall back on, what the hell has Roland ever done that was even close to being a good thing for the club?

LenGlover

I didn't boo him because he did facilitate our Premier league success and Alan Curbishley is very emphatic about that in his book.

That said I now feel quite contemptuous of him because of his duplicity and mendaciousness since the Premier league years ended and have none of the respect and admiration I have for the other great figures of the Club's history who he should be alongside in the esteem of customers supporters.

oohaahmortimer

The fact Curbs hadn’t been invited to the boardroom since he left (this was up to two years ago not sure if he has since ) says all you need to know about Murray .
He didn’t want Curbs help in finding his successor and he was happy to finish Curbs contract a year early (just before big tv deal )
But FairPlay he did chose Curbs and that’s the greatest decision of all time for him .
His behaviour in recent years is sad but from the inside the view is blinkered to the reality of what we see on the outside .
Although a blind man could see what a shambles we have been turned in to due to the experiment

shirty5

Missed the new batch of silver plates being handed over to Jacko before kick off by Murray. Wondered if he got booed. Can they do a repeated presentation for the home play off leg?

Hartleypete

Looking more like Mr Burns (Simpsons) than ever.

seth plum

He did well before, but I don't trust him now.

i_b_b_o_r_g

How did RM make his dough? Was he the one who owned the printing firm, or was that Roger Alwyn, or was it noone?

Dazzler21

Can someone do a timeline of all his good Vs bad actions for us all to judge him upon?

shirty5

Dazzler21 said:

Can someone do a timeline of all his good Vs bad actions for us all to judge him upon?

After you Claude

Chizz

I hope he leaves the club when (if) the takeover is complete. That way, those who choose to celebrate the man who was responsible for the best times at The Valley for over half a century can still think fondly of that; and those for whom his alignment with RD was beyond the pale can choose to remember those, more recent times.

There's no doubt that, like the Glikstens, he oversaw great successes and cataclysmic failures. He was neither exclusively benign, nor wholly malignant.

I, for one, hope that he leaves the club and has a long and happy retirement. And I will also take heed of the portent: whoever takes over the club, in however a well-trumpeted blaze of glory, there will come a stage when the new leadership tarnishes its reputation. It will always happen.

SE10Addick

I can't help but think that Richard Murray just got very lucky during the Curbs era.

There were multiple good and talented directors at the club, Varney is just one of them.

I'm sure people know better than me, but I would love to know how much Murray actually contributed to the success as apposed to riding the wave of success provided by others.

The work he has done since, starting with how Curbs left, Dowie was appointed and most recently the Douchbag era suggests that he was and is out of his depth.

kentaddick

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

How did RM make his dough? Was he the one who owned the printing firm, or was that Roger Alwyn, or was it noone?

tv production iirc.

i_b_b_o_r_g

Dazzler21 said:

Can someone do a timeline of all his good Vs bad actions for us all to judge him upon?

Okay, I'll start

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