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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    We cannot rely on Murray for help, he won't provide it.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,689
    Weasel.
  • Coyotejohn1947
    Coyotejohn1947 Posts: 1,163
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    rememberbillybonds said:
    I do not believe Murray wishes any bad outcome for Charlton.
    he went too far with his spat with Jordon by appointing Dowie.
    he was not openly supportive of the club during the RD time, but I do not believe would harm the club.
    I don't think he'd openly set out to harm the club........but he would probably do whatever he could to stop Varney taking over.
    That's why his judgement is so clouded i.e. by personal likes/dislikes (which led to the Dowie fiasco when he was trying to humiliate Simon Jordan). A businessman shouldn't have that mindset. If Varney is the best option for Charlton Athletic would Murray rather see the club go to the wall than have Varney involved just to score points in a personal vendetta?

    Crazy, but then everything about the club is, and until we get what could be described as a beneficial owner of both the club and the ground, the madness will continue.


  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Richard Murray part1 successful.
    Curbs becoming manager
    Richard Murray part 2 shocking.
    Post Curbs.
    Richard Murray part 3. Interfering and keeps backing the wrong horse.

    It's a Good, bad and ugly from the "who wants to be a millionaire man".
  • Stockholm_CAFC
    Stockholm_CAFC Posts: 26
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    Irrespective of how good Murray was for the club in the past, and I thank him for all of that, I'm very disappointed at his silence right now. Whatever went on in the past between him and PV, he needs to realise the club now NEEDS PV and AB more than ever! So come on Richard come out of hiding and help us!
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    Not true. Lots off angles to it, but the real venom took off when Varney left in 2012 and Murray took up against him on behalf of Slater, while badmouthing him to fans privately.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Airman Brown said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    Not true. Lots off angles to it, but the real venom took off when Varney left in 2012 and Murray took up against him on behalf of Slater, while badmouthing him to fans privately.
    Murray is a genuine twat 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    What was the possibly controversial sale back in 2005 ?
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  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    MrOneLung said:
    What was the possibly controversial sale back in 2005 ?
    Not sure it was controversial but it was to the owners of the o2
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,952
    Airman Brown said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    Not true. Lots off angles to it, but the real venom took off when Varney left in 2012 and Murray took up against him on behalf of Slater, while badmouthing him to fans privately.
    Probably wont happen,but hatchets need to be buried,and everyone getting round a table,including RD and RM,and PV,if people are not going to start talking to each other like grown ups,then I do not see how this mess can be sorted.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    I make Varney right on that. I could tell Dowie hadn't lost the dressing room and whilst he wasn't a great manager there was fight in his team that disapeared the moment he left, we had more chance staying up keeping him, at least for a few more months. The reason I think Murray ultimately sacked Dowie was that he was not respecting the structure he had decided on and Dowie had signed up to. 
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,595
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    I make Varney right on that. I could tell Dowie hadn't lost the dressing room and whilst he wasn't a great manager there was fight in his team that disapeared the moment he left, we had more chance staying up keeping him, at least for a few more months. The reason I think Murray ultimately sacked Dowie was that he was not respecting the structure he had decided on and Dowie had signed up to. 
    The players liked Dowie and played for him. He was just getting into his stride.

    They rightly saw Reed as a backstabber and he didn't have any respect from the get-go. Holland and others virtually admitted this when asked. 

    The irony then was Murray ditched that structure shortly afterwards. Most costly and needless relegation in our recent times.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2020
    All I know is that our anti Palace bias has clouded us to looking at this clearly. We were losing close games and not getting much luck under Dowie, but the moment he left, all fight seemed to be sucked out of the team. I'm not a member of the Dowie fan club, but this was clear to me and a few of us really need to remove the bias and see the situation for what it was at the time. Judging by what was seen on the pitch.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,219
    edited August 2020
    boggzy said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    I make Varney right on that. I could tell Dowie hadn't lost the dressing room and whilst he wasn't a great manager there was fight in his team that disapeared the moment he left, we had more chance staying up keeping him, at least for a few more months. The reason I think Murray ultimately sacked Dowie was that he was not respecting the structure he had decided on and Dowie had signed up to. 
    The players liked Dowie and played for him. He was just getting into his stride.

    They rightly saw Reed as a backstabber and he didn't have any respect from the get-go. Holland and others virtually admitted this when asked. 

    The irony then was Murray ditched that structure shortly afterwards. Most costly and needless relegation in our recent times.
    I wouldn't say it was a needless relegation we were up against it from day one, the squad needed an overhaul while teams like Aston Villa and Portsmouth who we'd been regularly finishing above started living beyond there means.

    You also had teams coming up like Reading and Sheff Utd who were stronger than the teams who went down, we were always going to be in a relegation fight.

    I agree Murray was still the root cause behind the relegation it badly needed Curbs for his last season just to keep us up and I think he would have. The league then seemed a bit weaker for the next few years which would have been ideal timing for a proper replacement for Curbs than just appointing Dowie to spite Jordan and Palace.

    I remember a very early alarm bell going off in my mind when Murray described our fixture list as "exciting" when you consider we played Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal all in the first 7 games along with Spurs and Liverpool being the last 2 games. Difficult to get off to a badly needed good start to the season which was more important than ever and then going into those last 2 games needing 2 wins. Fixture list couldn't have been more difficult if you tried yet Murray described it as exciting?!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    That is what you get in the Premier League. A run of games where it is hard to get anything. We did have a tough start, but we were giving these teams a game. Then when Dowie was sacked, we were getting well beaten by teams where we should have been looking to pick up the points. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,499
    edited August 2020
    We did lose to Portsmouth 0-1 at home in that period (although I thought we played ok). 

    And we beat Man City 1-0 despite getting a bit of a battering. 

    Losing Darren Bent for a significant chunk of the season was a killer....and seemingly the start of a run of losing key players to injury that persists to this day.  
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Dowies Charlton that year we’re similar to bowyers in 2020. Lost by the odd goal and didn’t get any luck. 

    Van persie should have been sent off and then scored that very good goal.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,669
    Dowie is a pug ugly palarse cnut. 
    End of discussion 
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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,219
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Dowies Charlton that year we’re similar to bowyers in 2020. Lost by the odd goal and didn’t get any luck. 

    Van persie should have been sent off and then scored that very good goal.
    Didn’t it come off his shin too ;-)
  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,825
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    Back in the day when the B20 were active in St Truiden, after a game,  myself and one other member were in the long fans night club in the main stand. We got lucky and managed a conversation with RD.

     Peter Varney's name came up in conversation, RD instantly became angry, saying RM had warned him that PV had 'taken funds out of the club'.
     With no further explanation.
    Remember RD making a demonstrative grabbing motion with his fist.

    Have always wondered if this was the cause of the rift.
  • IR94
    IR94 Posts: 743
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Dowies Charlton that year we’re similar to bowyers in 2020. Lost by the odd goal and didn’t get any luck. 

    Van persie should have been sent off and then scored that very good goal.
    Disagree with this, Bows side were a newly promoted club with the smallest budget in the championship by a far margin. Dowie took over an established Premier League side, spent £12 million (a record transfer window spend for us) on utter dross and ruined years of stability in the top flight
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    14 years ago, almost to the day, was this catastrophic day ......

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/5257776.stm

    Feels like a lifetime ago now. So much shit has happened in that time.
  • SheedyCAFC
    SheedyCAFC Posts: 1,244
    I remember reading that Richard Murray was very ill for some reason a few years ago unless I’m completely mistaken, could that potentially be why he’s been very silent for however many years?
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    thickandthin63 said:
    Airman Brown said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    I believe it started when Murray sacked Dowie, Varney disagreed.

    Not true. Lots off angles to it, but the real venom took off when Varney left in 2012 and Murray took up against him on behalf of Slater, while badmouthing him to fans privately.
    Probably wont happen,but hatchets need to be buried,and everyone getting round a table,including RD and RM,and PV,if people are not going to start talking to each other like grown ups,then I do not see how this mess can be sorted.
    Is there any way of approaching Murray? Would it even be worth it?

    If a group of fans can get into Farnell's office, then surely they can get to Murray's front door?
  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    Off_it said:
    14 years ago, almost to the day, was this catastrophic day ......

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/5257776.stm

    Feels like a lifetime ago now. So much shit has happened in that time.
    Absolute dog shit the pair of them. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited August 2020
    SheedyCAFC said:
    I remember reading that Richard Murray was very ill for some reason a few years ago unless I’m completely mistaken, could that potentially be why he’s been very silent for however many years?

    While Murray has had some health issues, they are not a factor in his behaviour. He is not “very ill”. He is active behind the scenes but having backed up Lee Amis and Matt Southall, as well as misled RD about the “expiry” of the ex-director loans, he probably isn’t flavour of the month in Belgium any more than here.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,521
    Addictedoldgit said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    Back in the day when the B20 were active in St Truiden, after a game,  myself and one other member were in the long fans night club in the main stand. We got lucky and managed a conversation with RD.

     Peter Varney's name came up in conversation, RD instantly became angry, saying RM had warned him that PV had 'taken funds out of the club'.
     With no further explanation.
    Remember RD making a demonstrative grabbing motion with his fist.

    Have always wondered if this was the cause of the rift.
    I don't believe for a moment that PV took money out / stole money from Charlton. I thought it was more of a disagreement over the methods of the Spivs in the end? @Airman Brown
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited August 2020
    Addictedoldgit said:
    Stockholm_CAFC said:
    Why is there a rift between Murrey and Varney ? 
    Back in the day when the B20 were active in St Truiden, after a game,  myself and one other member were in the long fans night club in the main stand. We got lucky and managed a conversation with RD.

     Peter Varney's name came up in conversation, RD instantly became angry, saying RM had warned him that PV had 'taken funds out of the club'.
     With no further explanation.
    Remember RD making a demonstrative grabbing motion with his fist.

    Have always wondered if this was the cause of the rift.
    Whether Murray deliberately misled Duchatelet on this or the latter misunderstood, Varney appointed a lawyer and they wrote to RD and RM requesting that they call in the police to investigate these claims, but both ignored all correspondence and both declined to repeat the allegations in writing.

    There are multiple examples of Murray spreading misinformation privately and - famously, at Bromley - publicly, when he was called out by Wendy Perfect for lying about Steve Kavanagh‘s departure from the club. Murray’s behaviour stinks, but the rift goes back at least, coincidentally, to Varney intervening to prevent the 2010 Sainsbury takeover, which Murray was entertaining in his desperation. It featured Lee Amis and, allegedly, Matt Southall, as well as a convicted fraudster. 

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