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Charlton fans pepper sprayed? (Ed. Police statement page 3)

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  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,648

    el-pietro said:

    Delighted he misses his teams trip to Wembley.

    But how could that be enforced?
    A mate gets him a ticket,
    He has a shave and wears a blue shirt.
    I doubt his picture will be at every entrance.
    Gets in, police see him on CCTV, he gets charged.
    I suppose the wellies and sheep tucked under his arm would be a dead giveaway.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,420
    Shaving and changing his shirt in the same season......
    Thats a huge assumption!! ;)
  • HandG
    HandG Posts: 2,134
    He’s an Arsenal fan anyway so i’m sure the prick will get over it.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    It’s a Shrewsbury ban, however, their liaison officer will give info to all away ground liaison officers, and they can stop him going in if they so desire based on preventing a breach of the peace etc etc, they’ve done it to many a Charlton fan in the past
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,480
    I see some posts saying orange tee shirt got lamped.
    When and where was that?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679

    I see some posts saying orange tee shirt got lamped.
    When and where was that?

    On the pitch.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,480

    I see some posts saying orange tee shirt got lamped.
    When and where was that?

    On the pitch.
    I assume it was after the game......Charlton lad would have done it I guess....though not necessarily?
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948

    I see some posts saying orange tee shirt got lamped.
    When and where was that?

    6 seconds in -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BmEhYA3kw&t=7s
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,312
    Heard he got a slap after the game as well, don’t know the details tho
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    edited May 2018
    Think the bitterness towards Shrewsbury fans now is getting a bit silly end of the day they beat us - we bottled it big time. But laughing at some of there proper fans ( shirter types ) buying confetti and not being allowed it in Wembley - is quite petty I think.

    Edit: whatever about silly ginger bollocks - who got a slap and quite rightly so and a few of there Herbert’s who I have given my opinion on already, but there proper fans - probably the biggest game of there lives and everything they do is copy and pasted onto the Charlton fb group, just makes us look bitter and winey imo.
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  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,004

    Think the bitterness towards Shrewsbury fans now is getting a bit silly end of the day they beat us - we bottled it big time. But laughing at some of there proper fans ( shirter types ) buying confetti and not being allowed it in Wembley - is quite petty I think.

    Fuck ‘em :wink:
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45238177

    Good thing this wasnt the Shropshire police else the Stoke fans would have been blamed for it!!
  • creepyaddick
    creepyaddick Posts: 6,152
    Why would you have to forcibly exit? Why wouldn't they let you out?
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,055

    Why would you have to forcibly exit? Why wouldn't they let you out?

    Because the police on the ground don’t have the wit or the wisdom to make decisions. Happened to us at the Rusty Toolbox a few years back. We were getting our usual battering 4-0 down and there were more people outside the stand trying to go home than in the stand (most had been trying to get out from 3 down).

    I think there were still something like 20 minutes to go, but the decision had been taken in the week that Charlton fans would be held back after the game. I pointed out that if the let us up onto the platform, we’d be halfway home before the game ended.

    No ability at all to see a scenario and react. Had to follow orders from “senior” officers, taken days before and who weren’t there!
  • TelMc32 said:

    Why would you have to forcibly exit? Why wouldn't they let you out?

    Because the police on the ground don’t have the wit or the wisdom to make decisions. Happened to us at the Rusty Toolbox a few years back. We were getting our usual battering 4-0 down and there were more people outside the stand trying to go home than in the stand (most had been trying to get out from 3 down).

    I think there were still something like 20 minutes to go, but the decision had been taken in the week that Charlton fans would be held back after the game. I pointed out that if the let us up onto the platform, we’d be halfway home before the game ended.

    No ability at all to see a scenario and react. Had to follow orders from “senior” officers, taken days before and who weren’t there!
    Bit weird to want to go whilst only 2-1 down at half time.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,633

    TelMc32 said:

    Why would you have to forcibly exit? Why wouldn't they let you out?

    Because the police on the ground don’t have the wit or the wisdom to make decisions. Happened to us at the Rusty Toolbox a few years back. We were getting our usual battering 4-0 down and there were more people outside the stand trying to go home than in the stand (most had been trying to get out from 3 down).

    I think there were still something like 20 minutes to go, but the decision had been taken in the week that Charlton fans would be held back after the game. I pointed out that if the let us up onto the platform, we’d be halfway home before the game ended.

    No ability at all to see a scenario and react. Had to follow orders from “senior” officers, taken days before and who weren’t there!
    Bit weird to want to go whilst only 2-1 down at half time.
    Perhaps they wanted to have a smoke?
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,648

    TelMc32 said:

    Why would you have to forcibly exit? Why wouldn't they let you out?

    Because the police on the ground don’t have the wit or the wisdom to make decisions. Happened to us at the Rusty Toolbox a few years back. We were getting our usual battering 4-0 down and there were more people outside the stand trying to go home than in the stand (most had been trying to get out from 3 down).

    I think there were still something like 20 minutes to go, but the decision had been taken in the week that Charlton fans would be held back after the game. I pointed out that if the let us up onto the platform, we’d be halfway home before the game ended.

    No ability at all to see a scenario and react. Had to follow orders from “senior” officers, taken days before and who weren’t there!
    Bit weird to want to go whilst only 2-1 down at half time.
    They were probably trying to get at the Preston fans not wanting to go home.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45238177

    Charlton fans not the only one's to get sprayed.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    On a similar subject, I've seen a couple of reports that Cheshire Police are using SelectaDNA at today's game at Crewe (vs. Port Vale). I understand the "nothing to hide" argument, but marking innocent people with something that clings to their clothes and skin for months seems like overkill and doesn’t sit too comfortably with me personally.

    https://www.silk1069.com/news/local-news/smarttag-to-be-deployed-to-deter-disorder-ahead-of-crewe-alexandra-v-port-vale-match/#:~:text=As part of a number,anti-social behaviour or disorder.
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  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,230
    What's wrong with tar and feathers? Have they gone out of fashion.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,550
    Gribbo said:
    On a similar subject, I've seen a couple of reports that Cheshire Police are using SelectaDNA at today's game at Crewe (vs. Port Vale). I understand the "nothing to hide" argument, but marking innocent people with something that clings to their clothes and skin for months seems like overkill and doesn’t sit too comfortably with me personally.

    https://www.silk1069.com/news/local-news/smarttag-to-be-deployed-to-deter-disorder-ahead-of-crewe-alexandra-v-port-vale-match/#:~:text=As part of a number,anti-social behaviour or disorder.
    Weird! The implication being that they spray all visiting fans, but not implicitly said.

    My guess is this is what the statement is intended to put across. Clearly, spraying ALL visiting fans is not going to happen. If they really intend to deploy this tool, they would only do so against people actively breaking the law.

    Obviously, this wouldn't be enough to prosecuted somebody, it would require further evidence, or witnesses.

    It does seem a potentially worrying development though, back to the bad old days of treating fans like animals.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    Gribbo said:
    On a similar subject, I've seen a couple of reports that Cheshire Police are using SelectaDNA at today's game at Crewe (vs. Port Vale). I understand the "nothing to hide" argument, but marking innocent people with something that clings to their clothes and skin for months seems like overkill and doesn’t sit too comfortably with me personally.

    https://www.silk1069.com/news/local-news/smarttag-to-be-deployed-to-deter-disorder-ahead-of-crewe-alexandra-v-port-vale-match/#:~:text=As part of a number,anti-social behaviour or disorder.
    Weird! The implication being that they spray all visiting fans, but not implicitly said.

    My guess is this is what the statement is intended to put across. Clearly, spraying ALL visiting fans is not going to happen. If they really intend to deploy this tool, they would only do so against people actively breaking the law.

    Obviously, this wouldn't be enough to prosecuted somebody, it would require further evidence, or witnesses.

    It does seem a potentially worrying development though, back to the bad old days of treating fans like animals.
    Yeah, would be perfect if there are coppers there armed with this spray at the exact time and place it actually kicks off - which rarely happens. I reckon it’ll be used more in anti-social behavior scenarios, where fans (mainly away fans) get kettled and then some get a bit rowdy - indiscriminate spraying then to follow, just in case the coppers go kickin doors in at 5 am, in a few weeks' time.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,633
    iaitch said:
    What's wrong with tar and feathers? Have they gone out of fashion.
    Not sure, but kneecap are great.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    iaitch said:
    What's wrong with tar and feathers? Have they gone out of fashion.
    Not sure, but kneecap are great.
    Controversial