Native American History
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A fate worse than deathGoonerhater said:Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??
cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.
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Charlton play in red. I have skin. I've offered - more than once - to change my name if people found their sensibilities so offended by it, but to date no- one has. You, I suspect, might be the exception. Complain to admin if you find it upsetting.SDAddick said:
If they have I haven't seen it.Redskin said:
Why would you keep it if you knew it was a racial slur? Actually, why would you choose it in the first place?0 -
OK fair enough.Redskin said:
Charlton play in red. I have skin. I've offered - more than once - to change my name if people found their sensibilities so offended by it, but to date no- one has. You, I suspect, might be the exception. Complain to admin if you find it upsetting.SDAddick said:
If they have I haven't seen it.Redskin said:
Why would you keep it if you knew it was a racial slur? Actually, why would you choose it in the first place?0 -
The comanche (Southern Plains Tribe) for reasons I dont know, were perceived as being the most sadistic of tribes in terms of torture before death. This may be the reason why there was a saying in the US army to save the last bullet for yourself.Goonerhater said:Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??
cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.
George Custer had two major wounds. One in the chest and one clean wound in the temple. There is one school of thought that the temple wound may have been self inflicted or carried out by his brother Tom at tge last knockings.0 -
Sooo, if anyone wants to get started reading up on this very interesting but not for the faint hearted subject...
The Barbarous years
The peopling of British North America
The conflict of civilisations, 1600-1675
By Bernard Baying
Savage Kingdom
Virginia and the founding of English America
By Benjamin Woolley
Are both good serious reads.0 -
The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.1
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No, this is a term that's been a slur for a long time. There has been a longstanding campaign for the Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and various other professional and university teams to change their names and mascots from caricatures of Native Americans.PeterGage said:@Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
My parents' Alma mater for example
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stonemuse said:
The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.
Thanks. I was not aware of this book but I have ordered it from Amazon.Thanks again.stonemuse said:The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.
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Apparently they were the greatest horse thieves on the Plains -and that is a compliment not an insult!Goonerhater said:Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??
cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.0 -
What a fantastic thread. Charlton Life at its best, well done Peter.0
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Tend to go along with the suicide theory. In one account (from the Indian side)he was one of the first to be shot.PeterGage said:
The comanche (Southern Plains Tribe) for reasons I dont know, were perceived as being the most sadistic of tribes in terms of torture before death. This may be the reason why there was a saying in the US army to save the last bullet for yourself.Goonerhater said:Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??
cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.
George Custer had two major wounds. One in the chest and one clean wound in the temple. There is one school of thought that the temple wound may have been self inflicted or carried out by his brother Tom at tge last knockings.0 -
I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you
@WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:
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Give it a rest.SDAddick said:
No, this is a term that's been a slur for a long time. There has been a longstanding campaign for the Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and various other professional and university teams to change their names and mascots from caricatures of Native Americans.PeterGage said:@Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
My parents' Alma mater for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek?wprov=sfla10 -
Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.PeterGage said:I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you
@WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:
Wounded Knee District School
On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.
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I know, Peter, there was no racial slight intended as any grown-up would appreciate.PeterGage said:@Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
I'm thinking of asking AFKA if I might change my moniker to 'Paleface'.
Good luck with your project, it sounds fascinating.6 -
Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.Davo55 said:
Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.PeterGage said:I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you
@WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:
Wounded Knee District School
On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.
Thanks very much
I am really grateful for your offer to donate.0 -
You cannot go with "Paleface" Redskin.Redskin said:
I know, Peter, there was no racial slight intended as any grown-up would appreciate.PeterGage said:@Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
I'm thinking of asking AFKA if I might change my moniker to 'Paleface'.
Good luck with your project, it sounds fascinating.
#blacklivesmatter
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I dont have an issue with your CL name but just thought that may wish to know of the feelings in the USA.Redskin said:
I know, Peter, there was no racial slight intended as any grown-up would appreciate.PeterGage said:@Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
I'm thinking of asking AFKA if I might change my moniker to 'Paleface'.
Good luck with your project, it sounds fascinating.1 - Sponsored links:
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@PeterGagePeterGage said:
Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.Davo55 said:
Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.PeterGage said:I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you
@WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:
Wounded Knee District School
On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.
Thanks very much
I am really grateful for your offer to donate.
Pete - and anyone else interested
Donation made, and its very simple.
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Your ID must have been specific to you Pete.
Cheers. Hope to see you at the Valley next season, under new ownership.1 -
Thanks Alan. I shall certainly be back at The Valley under new ownership. We must share a beer or two when that scenario is in place.Davo55 said:
@PeterGagePeterGage said:
Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.Davo55 said:
Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.PeterGage said:I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you
@WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:
Wounded Knee District School
On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.
Thanks very much
I am really grateful for your offer to donate.
Pete - and anyone else interested
Donation made, and its very simple.
1. Google Wounded Knee District School
2. Go to their web site, home page
3. Top right hand of screen is a donate button, click on that
4. Gives you an option to pay by PayPal or with a debit or credit card. I chose Paypal.
5. Enter the amount you want send in US$, it will tell you how much that is in £GBP
6. Confirm
Your ID must have been specific to you Pete.
Cheers. Hope to see you at the Valley next season, under new ownership.
Thanks Alan for your donation.0 -
Hi @PeterGage I replied to your message before coming in to read this thread again so please ignore my suggestions on how to get the cash to you
as I just followed Alan's lead and sent my donation direct to the School. 0 -
Thanks @WrightCharlie, much appreciated.WrightCharlie said:Hi @PeterGage I replied to your message before coming in to read this thread again so please ignore my suggestions on how to get the cash to you
as I just followed Alan's lead and sent my donation direct to the School. 0 -
May be of interest to some. Wednesday's Mirror featured the story behind Costner's Western movie Horizon: An American Saga.
It seems the film series itself has a few problems
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Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed the film and am looking forward to the sequal.1
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The excellent Empire podcasts takes a look a American expansion in several recent episodes starting at this one linked
https://overcast.fm/+7nFPcyqHM
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"White man came across the sea, He brought us pain and misery".
- S. Harris, 19820 -
Peter, I found this book very interesting. In case you haven't read it: Trail of Tears: The Rise and Fall of the Cherokee Nation eBook : Ehle, John: Amazon.co.uk: BooksPeterGage said:Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed the film and am looking forward to the sequal.0 -
Thanks for the book recommendations guys. I’ve tried to learn about Native American history when visiting friends in Arizona a couple of times and again at the museum in DC. I’ve always found it pretty inaccessible to reading one or two of these books should be a better starting point.
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