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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)

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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,066
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    Agree with this. Honestly can’t see him doing his coaching badges after he finishes and will be happy picking up a few pay cheques for spouting off on whatever platform will have him. I won’t be listening. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited April 2024
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness. And you can have both, just don't be a snake. 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited April 2024
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Not sure I can agree that being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    edited April 2024
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    Yesh it doesn't sit right with me but i understand why they did it and frankly most of us would do the same in that position, it was a weird unique position.

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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    We were in unorecedented waters and nobody knew how it was going to pan out.  Solly had been told he was surplus to requirements.  If your employer told you that would you honestly have given 100% as we went into Covid.  Solly had a very young family at the time so why should he risk anything.

  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    edited April 2024
    Swisdom said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    We were in unorecedented waters and nobody knew how it was going to pan out.  Solly had been told he was surplus to requirements.  If your employer told you that would you honestly have given 100% as we went into Covid.  Solly had a very young family at the time so why should he risk anything.

    No difference to Taylor then ? He had a family, why should he risk it ? he knew he wasn't going to be here next year. He knew we werent going to match the offers from other teams. As said I think we all know why Solly gets a pass and Taylor doesn't if we are all honest, Solly is seen as one of the good ol boys and "one of us". 
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    Swisdom said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    We were in unorecedented waters and nobody knew how it was going to pan out.  Solly had been told he was surplus to requirements.  If your employer told you that would you honestly have given 100% as we went into Covid.  Solly had a very young family at the time so why should he risk anything.

    What’s having a young family got to do with the price of fish?

    both used the unique circumstances to be selfish dicks and in turn say fuck you to the club and the fans
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    cafcdave123 said:
    Swisdom said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    We were in unorecedented waters and nobody knew how it was going to pan out.  Solly had been told he was surplus to requirements.  If your employer told you that would you honestly have given 100% as we went into Covid.  Solly had a very young family at the time so why should he risk anything.

    What’s having a young family got to do with the price of fish?

    both used the unique circumstances to be selfish dicks and in turn say fuck you to the club and the fans
    Chris Solly gave his knees up for this club, wasn't playing and wasn't going to influence any games going forward. If we had Taylor for just a few more games, who knows where we might be now. One more crucial goal and we would have stayed in the championship that season. Solly wasn't going to ever provide that
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,893
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    A) Lyle didn’t have kids at the time 
    b) solly played 301 games, giving his all. He had 2 (from memory) bad injuries with us. I would say he was at high risk of injury and getting an injury during those games would have finished him. 
    C) the snake only had to play and then get his move to big school. Even if we went down and he left, the attitude towards him by the majority of Charlton fans would be completely different.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,893
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.
    People understand why. People also understand that it was wrong 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,893
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    We were in unorecedented waters and nobody knew how it was going to pan out.  Solly had been told he was surplus to requirements.  If your employer told you that would you honestly have given 100% as we went into Covid.  Solly had a very young family at the time so why should he risk anything.

    No difference to Taylor then ? He had a family, why should he risk it ? he knew he wasn't going to be here next year. He knew we werent going to match the offers from other teams. As said I think we all know why Solly gets a pass and Taylor doesn't if we are all honest, Solly is seen as one of the good ol boys and "one of us". 
    Completely different to Taylor, he didn’t have kids when he was with us
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    TelMc32 said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    Agree with this. Honestly can’t see him doing his coaching badges after he finishes and will be happy picking up a few pay cheques for spouting off on whatever platform will have him. I won’t be listening. 
    GB news probably.

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  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    A) Lyle didn’t have kids at the time 
    b) solly played 301 games, giving his all. He had 2 (from memory) bad injuries with us. I would say he was at high risk of injury and getting an injury during those games would have finished him. 
    C) the snake only had to play and then get his move to big school. Even if we went down and he left, the attitude towards him by the majority of Charlton fans would be completely different.
    Ok change kids with parents and its still the same. So Solly wasn't a benefit to the squad that season from the bench. Taylor is a snake but we all know why fans let Solly have a pass
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    "100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did" 

    "He did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same"

    At best you're treading a fine line between support/understanding. 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    "100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did" 

    "He did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same"

    At best you're treading a fine line between support/understanding. 
    There's a huge gap between supporting and understanding.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,196
    edited April 2024
    Reportedly on around 6k to around 20k will turn heads as a life changing move.  I bet he got also received a significant rise for the Forest promotion to the Premier League.
    All old ground but I'm with @Radostanradical, what he did was wrong but I understand why he did it.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,196
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,515
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
    Has he made himself unavailable to play? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,975
    Athletico Charlton said:
    So imagine it is 2020 again. Lyle 6 months on his contract, not renewing as he has a life changing offer from Forest.  Only difference is that COVID never happens. 

    Would he have continued to play to the end of the season then?  There would have been just the same chance of injury.  Why did COVID change that?  It was just a convenient excuse wasn't it?

    I know why he chose what he chose, doesn't make it right.  Hundreds of players run their contracts down each season and play hard through to the very last game. He didn't because he is a gutless prick. That's all 
    Which is also why I don't accept Solly downing tools either. There were definitely games where he could have come in and done a job in those 9 games, whether starting or from the bench. Maybe if he'd been come off the bench, Jude Bellingham might not have created the late goal which cost us 2 points and was just as costly as the chances missed because Taylor wasn't there.

    Besides wasn't Solly club captain at the time, so would have had an important leadership role in the dressing room.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 860
    Athletico Charlton said:
    So imagine it is 2020 again. Lyle 6 months on his contract, not renewing as he has a life changing offer from Forest.  Only difference is that COVID never happens. 

    Would he have continued to play to the end of the season then?  There would have been just the same chance of injury.  Why did COVID change that?  It was just a convenient excuse wasn't it?

    I know why he chose what he chose, doesn't make it right.  Hundreds of players run their contracts down each season and play hard through to the very last game. He didn't because he is a gutless prick. That's all 
    Is Solly gutless to then ?

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