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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)
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Was he still under contract? Did he break his contract? If yes is the answer to both he’s a scumbag. Zero understanding of such behaviour from meRadostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.2 -
Couple of things to add to the mix, although I think Taylor personally has behaved badly.
First, wasn’t all that end of season shenanigans also coloured by the pandemic and to an extent there was choice for players to play?
And secondly there remains in my mind the memory that for us, whenever Taylor was on the pitch he was good, gave everything, and often finished games as our strongest player, this is the upsetting bit. If he had been a Kirk-like player things would look different.3 -
Great answers to questions I'm not asking or points i haven't made. Try again.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Was he still under contract? Did he break his contract? If yes is the answer to both he’s a scumbag. Zero understanding of such behaviour from meRadostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.0 -
Our season nornally involves 46 games.Radostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.
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Cheers Geoff, not the point I was making though.North Lower Neil said:
Our season nornally involves 46 games.Radostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.1 -
I 'understand' what he did in the same way I understand why someone would nick your car.
Yeah I get they want more money but it's morally wrong.0 -
What qualities as a striker? His capabilities are long gone and that's been clear for a while. Ladapo has been a failure. Lyle has been a failure. One failing slightly worse than the other doesn't change the fact that they're both failures and both would have been bad signings. Ladapo fortunately was only a loan so he'll go at the end of the season. Taylor was brought in to score the goals to keep Cambridge up and he's failed his brief. Cambridge could still go down on the last day and Lyle hasn't scored since February. In fact, Ladapo scored more recently than he did. Taylor, as everyone else always said recognising that he was a 34 year old off the back of a year without playing followed by a run of 7 sad goalless games for Wycombe, would have been a rubbish signing for us. Given how quickly he's pissed of Cambridge fans he probably would have caused more harm than good in terms of morale at Charlton.KingKinsella said:
Wouldn't disagree with much of this re personality. That's what a lot of our fans focus on, my point has always been about his abilities/qualities as a striker, especially when we bought Lapado. Neither has been a success, LT scoring 3 makes him slightly better imo. Also there's still a game to go, although Monk will be very brave to play him with the level of hostility in the crowd.Garrymanilow said:I think Lyle will honestly regret all this in the end. I've known a few people like Lyle and for all they court attention through controversy and claim they don't care, in the end they want to be loved, they want to have their own little following and they do get upset about the sheer number of people who can't stand them.
It's all adding up a bit for Lyle now; he was really loved at Charlton until he refused to play and became hated. That was alright for him though because he was moving up in the world and what's a little scorched earth if it's behind you? But then the Forest move didn't really work out; he struggled to get in to the team, scored 4 goals and none of them after November. He'd joined a team that missed out of the Play-Offs on goal difference the season before, was supposed to score the goals to get them over the line and finished 17th. He wasn't wanted the next season, drifted in and out of the team before being loaned out to Birmingham. Forest finished 4th and got promoted to the Premier League without him. His one full season at Forest he contributed to them being closer to relegation than promotion and once they stopped figuring him into their plans they went up. That'll hurt. But he still had his money and was technically a Premier League player. He sat on the bench for two Premier League games and then didn't figure again for the entire season. Not one appearance even in the cups, a whole year of his career gone with Forest fans talking about how they couldn't wait to get rid of him and what a bad signing he was. He was released after that as a 33 year old who hadn't played in a year and wasn't picked up until November when Wycombe took a punt until January. Zero goals, zero assists, zero affection, the fans were happy when he left. But in came Cambridge in January. He could keep them up and become a hero to those fans at least. Except after an ok start he fell away, got his traditional weird needless red card, gave away a penalty and became despised by those fans too.
That's why he's snapped now; he still gets grief from Charlton fans for his conduct then, he's laughed at by Forest fans as a joke player, Wycombe fans wonder if he's actually a footballer and now even Cambridge fans are dishing it out while he's still there. He's used to being hated by everyone external but at least popular within his own sphere but now he can't even find love in the places he's at, the toxicity builds up while he's still there instead of after he's moved on. His career's winding down and he'll be looking at retirement or a L2 move at best and while he'll definitely be happy to count his money I think he'll regret that pretty much every set of football fans have turned their back on him and there's nowhere he can go and hear his name sung.3 -
Yeah those are two completely comparable scenarios, thanks mate you have changed my mind. By Taylor doing something morally wrong he has taken money out of someone's pocket illegally.North Lower Neil said:I 'understand' what he did in the same way I understand why someone would nick your car.
Yeah I get they want more money but it's morally wrong.0 -
One of his major strengths was his workrate and athleticism, pressing and stretching defenders. I was really surprised he was so ineffective at Wycombe, suggesting that either physically he can't do the running and harrying anymore OR he's lost the motivation.
I suspect the latter, as it's not as if he's had any major injuries.2 -
3 games, 7 points. If he had extended his contract like Sarr did, I think we probably will have stayed up. Not sure that's the case if he just honoured his contract.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Was he still under contract? Did he break his contract? If yes is the answer to both he’s a scumbag. Zero understanding of such behaviour from meRadostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.
Nonetheless, like you say he broke his contract by refusing to play those three games and there's never been an adequate defence for that, either for him or Solly.2 -
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This may upset people as well but just also going to through out that Taylor weren't really that good for us in Championship for us. He scored 11 in 22 which sounds great (he had been injured a lot that season which may have been on his mind when he made his decision) but 4 of those were penalties. I'd argue losing Gallagher was more of a kick to our chances of survival.0
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I know I'm one of a very few but was talking with my brother last summer and said if I knew we were getting the Taylor from the two years he was here, I'd have him. I know that's a bit disgusting but I saw the need for that type of striker. Given the failure of Tedic and Ladapo plus the injuries to Aneke and Leaburn, I think I just about feel the same. Agree with what you've said though, he wasn't and isn't that player anymore so would have been a bad move (which I did actually think at the time anyway).Garrymanilow said:
What qualities as a striker? His capabilities are long gone and that's been clear for a while. Ladapo has been a failure. Lyle has been a failure. One failing slightly worse than the other doesn't change the fact that they're both failures and both would have been bad signings. Ladapo fortunately was only a loan so he'll go at the end of the season. Taylor was brought in to score the goals to keep Cambridge up and he's failed his brief. Cambridge could still go down on the last day and Lyle hasn't scored since February. In fact, Ladapo scored more recently than he did. Taylor, as everyone else always said recognising that he was a 34 year old off the back of a year without playing followed by a run of 7 sad goalless games for Wycombe, would have been a rubbish signing for us. Given how quickly he's pissed of Cambridge fans he probably would have caused more harm than good in terms of morale at Charlton.KingKinsella said:
Wouldn't disagree with much of this re personality. That's what a lot of our fans focus on, my point has always been about his abilities/qualities as a striker, especially when we bought Lapado. Neither has been a success, LT scoring 3 makes him slightly better imo. Also there's still a game to go, although Monk will be very brave to play him with the level of hostility in the crowd.Garrymanilow said:I think Lyle will honestly regret all this in the end. I've known a few people like Lyle and for all they court attention through controversy and claim they don't care, in the end they want to be loved, they want to have their own little following and they do get upset about the sheer number of people who can't stand them.
It's all adding up a bit for Lyle now; he was really loved at Charlton until he refused to play and became hated. That was alright for him though because he was moving up in the world and what's a little scorched earth if it's behind you? But then the Forest move didn't really work out; he struggled to get in to the team, scored 4 goals and none of them after November. He'd joined a team that missed out of the Play-Offs on goal difference the season before, was supposed to score the goals to get them over the line and finished 17th. He wasn't wanted the next season, drifted in and out of the team before being loaned out to Birmingham. Forest finished 4th and got promoted to the Premier League without him. His one full season at Forest he contributed to them being closer to relegation than promotion and once they stopped figuring him into their plans they went up. That'll hurt. But he still had his money and was technically a Premier League player. He sat on the bench for two Premier League games and then didn't figure again for the entire season. Not one appearance even in the cups, a whole year of his career gone with Forest fans talking about how they couldn't wait to get rid of him and what a bad signing he was. He was released after that as a 33 year old who hadn't played in a year and wasn't picked up until November when Wycombe took a punt until January. Zero goals, zero assists, zero affection, the fans were happy when he left. But in came Cambridge in January. He could keep them up and become a hero to those fans at least. Except after an ok start he fell away, got his traditional weird needless red card, gave away a penalty and became despised by those fans too.
That's why he's snapped now; he still gets grief from Charlton fans for his conduct then, he's laughed at by Forest fans as a joke player, Wycombe fans wonder if he's actually a footballer and now even Cambridge fans are dishing it out while he's still there. He's used to being hated by everyone external but at least popular within his own sphere but now he can't even find love in the places he's at, the toxicity builds up while he's still there instead of after he's moved on. His career's winding down and he'll be looking at retirement or a L2 move at best and while he'll definitely be happy to count his money I think he'll regret that pretty much every set of football fans have turned their back on him and there's nowhere he can go and hear his name sung.0 -
Completely disagree. Sure he wasn't as prolific as before, but we didn't need him to be as we weren't fighting for promotion. But it was his general play too which helped others alongside him. Bonne and Leko for example looked a lot better next to him than they did without.Radostanradical said:This may upset people as well but just also going to through out that Taylor weren't really that good for us in Championship for us. He scored 11 in 22 which sounds great (he had been injured a lot that season which may have been on his mind when he made his decision) but 4 of those were penalties. I'd argue losing Gallagher was more of a kick to our chances of survival.5 -
No i get your point but the idea that he was some kind of guaranteed means to survival is what i disagree with.cafcfan1990 said:
Completely disagree. Sure he wasn't as prolific as before, but we didn't need him to be as we weren't fighting for promotion. But it was his general play too which helped others alongside him. Bonne and Leko for example looked a lot better next to him than they did without.Radostanradical said:This may upset people as well but just also going to through out that Taylor weren't really that good for us in Championship for us. He scored 11 in 22 which sounds great (he had been injured a lot that season which may have been on his mind when he made his decision) but 4 of those were penalties. I'd argue losing Gallagher was more of a kick to our chances of survival.0 -
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For me Solly was just as bad, it’s just despicable behaviour, if you’re so concerned by injury, retire and forego your substantial salary.cafcfan1990 said:
3 games, 7 points. If he had extended his contract like Sarr did, I think we probably will have stayed up. Not sure that's the case if he just honoured his contract.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Was he still under contract? Did he break his contract? If yes is the answer to both he’s a scumbag. Zero understanding of such behaviour from meRadostanradical said:
Are you so dense light bends around you ? Does our season normally involve a handful of games in late June ? I accept your apology.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Of course I’d do it, if it was my job, otherwise why sign the contract in the first place.Radostanradical said:
What is it you people do not understand ? Ive literally said i know and accept why people are angry.Stu_of_Kunming said:
No, people are angry about him refusing to play WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT.Radostanradical said:
What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?Radostanradical said:
Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.Chunes said:
I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...Radostanradical said:
100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch) would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.Chunes said:
Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake.Radostanradical said:
I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.Chunes said:
If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.Swisdom said:
Has he wasted it? Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.se9addick said:He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of.
BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf. Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires? I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse. I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.
Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do. The chances of serious injury? Negligible.
Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.
Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?The idea 99% of us would do the same is highly insulting, I’ve seen out contracts whilst waiting to join a new company on more money, knowing I could just quit and give a months notice.
Why are you shouting ? We all understand he was under contract. You're not saying anything new or ground breaking we all understand he was under contract.
So in the last week of your contract, your current company ask you to do something which you are under contract to do but could jeopardize your move next week to a company that will pay you a life changing amount you would say ok mate ?. If you choose to be insulted pal thats on you.I had to shout as you said “ We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course” which simply isn’t true.
Nonetheless, like you say he broke his contract by refusing to play those three games and there's never been an adequate defence for that, either for him or Solly.
Odd neither wanted to take that option.2 -
Not guaranteed 100% but it's hard to believe we wouldn't have got one extra point when failing to win any of those last 7 fixtures.Radostanradical said:
No i get your point but the idea that he was some kind of guaranteed means to survival is what i disagree with.cafcfan1990 said:
Completely disagree. Sure he wasn't as prolific as before, but we didn't need him to be as we weren't fighting for promotion. But it was his general play too which helped others alongside him. Bonne and Leko for example looked a lot better next to him than they did without.Radostanradical said:This may upset people as well but just also going to through out that Taylor weren't really that good for us in Championship for us. He scored 11 in 22 which sounds great (he had been injured a lot that season which may have been on his mind when he made his decision) but 4 of those were penalties. I'd argue losing Gallagher was more of a kick to our chances of survival.1 -
pretty sure we would've stayed up that season had be not bailed out and that's the crux17
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Didn't say they were exactly the same, though, did I?Radostanradical said:
Yeah those are two completely comparable scenarios, thanks mate you have changed my mind. By Taylor doing something morally wrong he has taken money out of someone's pocket illegally.North Lower Neil said:I 'understand' what he did in the same way I understand why someone would nick your car.
Yeah I get they want more money but it's morally wrong.
People saying they 'understand' why he did what he did is (in my opinion) missing the point a bit - I'm saying you can 'understand' why someone does something and still think it was the wrong thing to do.2 -
Took a quick gander at posts on this thread around 27th Feb 2024 & chose this one by GM ...Garrymanilow said:Sent off for a proper off the ball forearm to the back of Jack Iredale's head. Totally unnecessary, he's still an absolute prick I see.Needs a long ban for that. About 11 games should do it
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but could this truthful, honest comment on The Snake have prompted a certain poster to join the Forum & make his own controversial views on the subject ?
The last straw for a certain ex "favourite" maybe ?
Would the real Lyle Taylor please own up.3 -
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Well then we agree then.North Lower Neil said:
Didn't say they were exactly the same, though, did I?Radostanradical said:
Yeah those are two completely comparable scenarios, thanks mate you have changed my mind. By Taylor doing something morally wrong he has taken money out of someone's pocket illegally.North Lower Neil said:I 'understand' what he did in the same way I understand why someone would nick your car.
Yeah I get they want more money but it's morally wrong.
People saying they 'understand' why he did what he did is (in my opinion) missing the point a bit - I'm saying you can 'understand' why someone does something and still think it was the wrong thing to do.0 -
Not sure anyone has said anything controversial pal.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Took a quick gander at posts on this thread around 27th Feb 2024 & chose this one by GM ...Garrymanilow said:Sent off for a proper off the ball forearm to the back of Jack Iredale's head. Totally unnecessary, he's still an absolute prick I see.Needs a long ban for that. About 11 games should do it
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but could this truthful, honest comment on The Snake have prompted a certain poster to join the Forum & make his own controversial views on the subject ?
The last straw for a certain ex "favourite" maybe ?
Would the real Lyle Taylor please own up.4 -
KingKinsella said:
Wouldn't disagree with much of this re personality. That's what a lot of our fans focus on, my point has always been about his abilities/qualities as a striker, especially when we bought Lapado. Neither has been a success, LT scoring 3 makes him slightly better imo. Also there's still a game to go, although Monk will be very brave to play him with the level of hostility in the crowd.Garrymanilow said:I think Lyle will honestly regret all this in the end. I've known a few people like Lyle and for all they court attention through controversy and claim they don't care, in the end they want to be loved, they want to have their own little following and they do get upset about the sheer number of people who can't stand them.
It's all adding up a bit for Lyle now; he was really loved at Charlton until he refused to play and became hated. That was alright for him though because he was moving up in the world and what's a little scorched earth if it's behind you? But then the Forest move didn't really work out; he struggled to get in to the team, scored 4 goals and none of them after November. He'd joined a team that missed out of the Play-Offs on goal difference the season before, was supposed to score the goals to get them over the line and finished 17th. He wasn't wanted the next season, drifted in and out of the team before being loaned out to Birmingham. Forest finished 4th and got promoted to the Premier League without him. His one full season at Forest he contributed to them being closer to relegation than promotion and once they stopped figuring him into their plans they went up. That'll hurt. But he still had his money and was technically a Premier League player. He sat on the bench for two Premier League games and then didn't figure again for the entire season. Not one appearance even in the cups, a whole year of his career gone with Forest fans talking about how they couldn't wait to get rid of him and what a bad signing he was. He was released after that as a 33 year old who hadn't played in a year and wasn't picked up until November when Wycombe took a punt until January. Zero goals, zero assists, zero affection, the fans were happy when he left. But in came Cambridge in January. He could keep them up and become a hero to those fans at least. Except after an ok start he fell away, got his traditional weird needless red card, gave away a penalty and became despised by those fans too.
That's why he's snapped now; he still gets grief from Charlton fans for his conduct then, he's laughed at by Forest fans as a joke player, Wycombe fans wonder if he's actually a footballer and now even Cambridge fans are dishing it out while he's still there. He's used to being hated by everyone external but at least popular within his own sphere but now he can't even find love in the places he's at, the toxicity builds up while he's still there instead of after he's moved on. His career's winding down and he'll be looking at retirement or a L2 move at best and while he'll definitely be happy to count his money I think he'll regret that pretty much every set of football fans have turned their back on him and there's nowhere he can go and hear his name sung.
Lyle Taylor has also been sent off and gave away a penalty costing Cambridge 2 points.0 -
Here's where I stand on it. He made a decision in his own interest above that of the club. It was easy to understand because he explained it at the time. Taking the club interest as being paramount though, few think it was the right thing to do. Many assume it cost us our championship status. That will forever be debatable as being the sole reason, but few would argue it wasn't a contributory factor. Lastly, using social media to get back at his detractors only serves to invite more of the same.1
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Taylor is still being talked about, Solly occasionally gets mentioned… I’m left wondering why everyone has forgotten David Davis?16
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Funny that a certain someone signed up on that date & has suddenly gone profile private. Has it posted on any other thread I wonder ?Fanny Fanackapan said:
Took a quick gander at posts on this thread around 27th Feb 2024 & chose this one by GM ...Garrymanilow said:Sent off for a proper off the ball forearm to the back of Jack Iredale's head. Totally unnecessary, he's still an absolute prick I see.Needs a long ban for that. About 11 games should do it
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but could this truthful, honest comment on The Snake have prompted a certain poster to join the Forum & make his own controversial views on the subject ?
The last straw for a certain ex "favourite" maybe ?
Would the real Lyle Taylor please own up.0 -
That's why I singled "him" out after checking the date he joined.charltonbob said:
Funny that a certain someone signed up on that date & has suddenly gone profile private. Has it posted on any other thread I wonder ?Fanny Fanackapan said:
Took a quick gander at posts on this thread around 27th Feb 2024 & chose this one by GM ...Garrymanilow said:Sent off for a proper off the ball forearm to the back of Jack Iredale's head. Totally unnecessary, he's still an absolute prick I see.Needs a long ban for that. About 11 games should do it
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but could this truthful, honest comment on The Snake have prompted a certain poster to join the Forum & make his own controversial views on the subject ?
The last straw for a certain ex "favourite" maybe ?
Would the real Lyle Taylor please own up.
Profile private, eh ?
Just call me Miss Marple.5 -
Close this thread down. The bloke is an utter knob and is not even worth talking about…12
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I think it’s probably because he was so crap.Scoham said:Taylor is still being talked about, Solly occasionally gets mentioned… I’m left wondering why everyone has forgotten David Davis?2 -
I wouldn’t want to get on your wrong side Fanny! Great sleuthing.1
