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Lyle Taylor - signed for Colchester (p284)

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  • Oggy Red said:

    Chris Sutton speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, said: 

    “The one thing I can’t understand is that he has a contract. He is not fulfilling his contract.

    “Are Charlton still paying him? They shouldn’t be paying him. And I have to say that if I was in his dressing room I’d pin him up against a wall.

    “He’s letting his club down. He’s talking about his future, and I get that from a personal point of view.

    “But what about his teammates? What if they get relegated? What happens to their contracts? It is so selfish. He’s totally let his teammates down.”


    Hero to Zero, Lyle. 

    Even most of your fellow professionals think so.


    Really great point, something like 15 players out of contract at the end of the season mentioned on Radio 5. If they all downed tools what then?
  • And here's a contrary view, which doesn't particularly surprise me coming from this particular individual.

    https://www.footballinsider247.com/this-is-his-final-big-contract-exclusive-danny-mills-on-striker-rangers-trying-to-sign/
  • Given what Mills did whilst playing for us before Christmas I won't even click that link
    If you were to click on it you would simply find him espousing the same type of values he displayed at that time. As I have already said on this thread, Taylors action speaks to his integrity and values, or lack of.
  • And here's a contrary view, which doesn't particularly surprise me coming from this particular individual.

    https://www.footballinsider247.com/this-is-his-final-big-contract-exclusive-danny-mills-on-striker-rangers-trying-to-sign/
    Like you say no real surprise coming from Mills. I have seen previous from both him and Savage where they always come down on the side of the player.
  • Lyle Taylor leaves Charlton teammates raging as they face 50% pay cut


    "A Charlton source has told Football Insider that the club’s top goalscorer, 30, has left the first-team squad “livid” as they all have relegation clauses in their contracts.

    This means their pay will drop by 50 per cent if they go down from the Championship to League One."

    https://www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-news-lyle-taylor-leaves-charlton-teammates-livid-as-they-face-50-pay-cut/
  • https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/garry-monk-owls-contract-players-18400872

    Views from Garry Monk talking about players contracts coming to an end and the Lyle Taylor issue...
  • https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/garry-monk-owls-contract-players-18400872

    Views from Garry Monk talking about players contracts coming to an end and the Lyle Taylor issue...
    Certainly be interesting when Monk sits down with those players who arent getting new deals

    It feels like Bowyer has potentially gone about things the right way and has sat with with his players well before the restart

    If others havent that could create a very large mess if there are others with the same view as Lyle
  • https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/garry-monk-owls-contract-players-18400872

    Views from Garry Monk talking about players contracts coming to an end and the Lyle Taylor issue...

    Regarding the Taylor issue, Monk says that such a move has the ability to backfire on players. He says that when assessing potential signings, he looks at more than just footballing talents.

    "It's a difficult situation," he added. "As a manager, you know why they're doing it (refusing to play).

    "But in terms of your thinking about that player, a lot of it comes down to character.

    "Maybe that would put a doubt in your mind when going after that player. In recruitment the main side of it is what he can bring to your team.

    "But there's a big thing on the character side and you're looking for traits in players.

  • It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


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  • Not often I agree with the Wendies and Simon Jordan! I hope it backfires on Taylor
  • Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    yup, i'm sure he has
  • stonemuse said:
    Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    yup, i'm sure he has
    I expect so. Will be even angrier if it is with a relegation rival. Can't he be done for breach of contract?
  • stonemuse said:
    Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    yup, i'm sure he has
    I expect so. Will be even angrier if it is with a relegation rival. Can't he be done for breach of contract?
    I'm not sure if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick from what you intend.......but he wouldn't be able to play again now until the start of next season surely??
  • stonemuse said:
    Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    yup, i'm sure he has
    I expect so. Will be even angrier if it is with a relegation rival. Can't he be done for breach of contract?
    I'm not sure if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick from what you intend.......but he wouldn't be able to play again now until the start of next season surely??
    Yeah he can move clubs after his contract expires but he can’t play for the new team until next season 
  • stonemuse said:
    Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    yup, i'm sure he has
    I expect so. Will be even angrier if it is with a relegation rival. Can't he be done for breach of contract?
    I'm not sure if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick from what you intend.......but he wouldn't be able to play again now until the start of next season surely??
    No, he can't. I am saying he has reduced our overall capability and we could get relgated - he is therefore benefitting our relegation rivals.Let alone letting his team mates down. And not fulfilling his contract
  • If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
  • shine166 said:
    If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
    Has he said that?
  • I think have seen how much criticism Lyle has got from the wider football community and not just Charlton, if managers from other clubs haven't had the conversation yet like Monk when  they do I dont think there will be many refusing to play lol.

    I don't think anyone could have imagined how widespread the criticism for Taylor would become and ither players will have seen that and may think hmmm lets just play on lol(unless they alreay have a club lined up and even then they will probably at least see out there contract)
  • Oggy Red said:
    It does seem to me that Lyle already has his new contract lined up.

    He's just waiting until 1st July to sign it.


    I thought that players could not sign for another club until this season is over, whether out of contract or not
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  • I think have seen how much criticism Lyle has got from the wider football community and not just Charlton, if managers from other clubs haven't had the conversation yet like Monk when  they do I dont think there will be many refusing to play lol.

    I don't think anyone could have imagined how widespread the criticism for Taylor would become and ither players will have seen that and may think hmmm lets just play on lol(unless they alreay have a club lined up and even then they will probably at least see out there contract)
    It might be quite a different scenario for him IF he doesn't already have his next move already sorted.
  • shine166 said:
    If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
    Has he said that?
    He shared a video on Instagram last week where an ex player was saying our treatment of him was racist. 
  • edited June 2020
    shine166 said:
    shine166 said:
    If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
    Has he said that?
    He shared a video on Instagram last week where an ex player was saying our treatment of him was racist. 
    Who was the ex-player? I don't really want to get into the race situation but how do you determine when criticism of anyone is due to their behaviour, their race (or anything else) or a mixture? How can you legitimately criticise anyone without being accused of being various 'ist'?

    I feel pretty much the same about Chris Solly's decision with 2 differences; 1) Solly is less likely to play and make a significant difference 2) Solly is likely to be going to a lower league club not a rival
  • edited June 2020
    shine166 said:
    shine166 said:
    If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
    Has he said that?
    He shared a video on Instagram last week where an ex player was saying our treatment of him was racist. 
    Who was the ex-player? I don't really want to get into the race situation but how do you determine when criticism of anyone is due to their behaviour, their race (or anything else) or a mixture? How can you legitimately criticise anyone without being accused of being various 'ist'?

    I feel pretty much the same about Chris Solly's decision with 2 differences; 1) Solly is less likely to play and make a significant difference 2) Solly is likely to be going to a lower league club not a rival
    It was Chris Dickson

    He was basically saying that everyone is making a massive deal over Taylor and not mentioning Solly because of Taylors race.

    When in fact its because Taylor is a first team regular and our top scorer and Solly hasnt even been in the 18 since the start of January, its got nothing to do with race
  • shine166 said:
    shine166 said:
    If he thinks our opinions of him are racist,  I cant wait to see him play for galatasary !
    Has he said that?
    He shared a video on Instagram last week where an ex player was saying our treatment of him was racist. 
    Who was the ex-player? I don't really want to get into the race situation but how do you determine when criticism of anyone is due to their behaviour, their race (or anything else) or a mixture? How can you legitimately criticise anyone without being accused of being various 'ist'?

    I feel pretty much the same about Chris Solly's decision with 2 differences; 1) Solly is less likely to play and make a significant difference 2) Solly is likely to be going to a lower league club not a rival
    It was Chris Dickson

    He was basically saying that everyone is making a massive deal over Taylor and not mentioning Solly because of Taylors race.

    When in fact its because Taylor is a first team regular and our top scorer and Solly hasnt even been in the 18 since the start of January, its got nothing to do with race
    Exactly! Unfortuately I see this sort of comment undermining a very real and key issue. It is like asking why Lampard and Gerard are in key management roles but Sol Campbell and Ashley Cole aren't (as some did)!
  • we've been to  quite a few player of the season dinners over recent years, but I don't feel inclined to go again. You finish the evening thinking what a fine bunch of people the players are, and six months later  2 or 3 of them shaft the fans. 
    Footballers are not playing for the fans, they are playing for themselves, it's their job.
    so you know every single player in the league and what motivates them do you

    I take it you disagree with my post, or you are being pedantic.
    I was questioning the accuracy of your statement
    .
  • edited June 2020
    Let us imagine, as I think is probable, that Taylor has been given the message by his potential new club not to play for us. He needs to look in the mirror and ask himself if it is a good move to go to a club which is willing to drag his name through the mud where his professionalism and loyalty to his team mates is questioned and this will be remembered. It isn't as if he wont have options and he could ensure his next club is a decent one. Look at Cullen. He isn't even a Charlton player and has committed himself to us for the remainder of the season. 
  • Let's hope he doesn't drop a bottle of salad cream on his foot.
  • If Taylor is going to a Championship Club with the new regulations he may still play this season possibly even against us if its Brentford.

    Fifa have announced 2 changes to transfer regulations.

    1- a player can play for 3 teams instead of 2 in the same season.

    2- if a league wishes to, they can open the transfer window before the end of the current season, now the Premier League have decided against that, but I haven't seen what the EFL have said regarding th Championship.



    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12004878/fifa-allows-transfer-windows-to-open-before-season-ends-but-fa-is-discussing-august-october
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