I've not had a formal diagnosis and blood tests a year or so ago now showed nothing.
I have suffered from gout which is very painful and debilitating in itself.However this has now progressed to multi joint and or single joint attacks which are crippling.
Previously I'd be affected in one foot, ankle or knee at a time and I could get to work and do my job notwithstanding ignorant tossers who just had to say something about me wearing sandals rather than shoes. I shut them up by saying ok I'll go home sick then if my sandals are so offensive. It's sandals or I don't come in.
Now though I can sometimes find I am affected in both legs (all 3 joints) and my hands and wrists too at the same time.
At those times I cannot bend sufficiently to get into a car and climbing up or worse down stairs takes an age and (too much info) lowering myself sufficiently to sit on the toilet is a major physical achievement!
I have and have always had an anathema to any sort of drug.
However I have got soft in my old age so now take naproxen as and when the pain becomes too intense or, more usually, I need to dampen it down so I can get some uninterrupted sleep as I've become exhausted.
One thing that seems to have helped in reducing the frequency of attacks is a teaspoon of Turmeric every morning in my fruit juice. Turmeric is a natural anti inflammatory and works for me. I have tried Glucosamine previously but it does not really work for me although I know of people it does help.
I hope you find something that at least keeps the pain at a tolerable level. In my eyes that is half the battle.
@LenGlover. Don’t put up with gout. I tried for about ten years of sporadic attacks, but nothing really worked. I finally had one attack which just wasn’t clearing up, so went to a specialist. He put me on allopurinol and I’ve not had single attack in over 10 years. Trust me, it’s not worth the suffering, and I’m like you, I try to avoid taking anything if I can avoid it.
Concentrated cherry juice helps. One glass a day. You can buy it from Holland and Barrett but it ain’t cheap. I’ve had rheumatoid for years but very few flare ups.
Agree with Henry. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid by my GP. Drugs really not helping. Saw a specialist at Guys who said it was something called psoriac (spelling) arthritis and prescribed different drugs that severely limit alcohol intake; but the arthritis has now been in remission for some time.
I had psoriatic arthritis 20 years ago and was prescribed NSAIDs etc. No much use but met someone who had had the same problem and who had been in remission for years without drugs by cutting certain things out of his diet. It seems psoriatic arthritis is definitely brought on by what you eat. I started eating a very limited range of food, mainly chicken, vegetables and pears, which stopped the problem; I then started adding other things to the diet until the problem came back thus identifying the causes. In my case it was vinegar and citrus fruits. I do not have to limit my alcohol intake so worth the effort to find the root cause. There a number of cookbooks for arthritis suffers which may help relief the monotony while you try to find the reason for the problem.
Agree with Henry. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid by my GP. Drugs really not helping. Saw a specialist at Guys who said it was something called psoriac (spelling) arthritis and prescribed different drugs that severely limit alcohol intake; but the arthritis has now been in remission for some time.
I had psoriatic arthritis 20 years ago and was prescribed NSAIDs etc. No much use but met someone who had had the same problem and who had been in remission for years without drugs by cutting certain things out of his diet. It seems psoriatic arthritis is definitely brought on by what you eat. I started eating a very limited range of food, mainly chicken, vegetables and pears, which stopped the problem; I then started adding other things to the diet until the problem came back thus identifying the causes. In my case it was vinegar and citrus fruits. I do not have to limit my alcohol intake so worth the effort to find the root cause. There a number of cookbooks for arthritis suffers which may help relief the monotony while you try to find the reason for the problem.
Good post. Anybody suffering with this (and any disease) really should examine what they are eating.
Processed foods often contain so many artificial or chemical additives, which can stress the body immune system. Also much of today's food is nutritionally lacking - it's not providing all he tools the body needs to repair itself.
Then there is the pesticide and herbicide residue problem. Toxins accumulate in the body over the years and again stress the body immune system, particularly as you get older.
Poor diet always results eventually in poor health.
Take time to find out what you are putting into your body. And what nutritionally your body requires. They should teach this basic stuff in school.
I've not had a formal diagnosis and blood tests a year or so ago now showed nothing.
I have suffered from gout which is very painful and debilitating in itself.However this has now progressed to multi joint and or single joint attacks which are crippling.
Previously I'd be affected in one foot, ankle or knee at a time and I could get to work and do my job notwithstanding ignorant tossers who just had to say something about me wearing sandals rather than shoes. I shut them up by saying ok I'll go home sick then if my sandals are so offensive. It's sandals or I don't come in.
Now though I can sometimes find I am affected in both legs (all 3 joints) and my hands and wrists too at the same time.
At those times I cannot bend sufficiently to get into a car and climbing up or worse down stairs takes an age and (too much info) lowering myself sufficiently to sit on the toilet is a major physical achievement!
I have and have always had an anathema to any sort of drug.
However I have got soft in my old age so now take naproxen as and when the pain becomes too intense or, more usually, I need to dampen it down so I can get some uninterrupted sleep as I've become exhausted.
One thing that seems to have helped in reducing the frequency of attacks is a teaspoon of Turmeric every morning in my fruit juice. Turmeric is a natural anti inflammatory and works for me. I have tried Glucosamine previously but it does not really work for me although I know of people it does help.
I hope you find something that at least keeps the pain at a tolerable level. In my eyes that is half the battle.
Len, I have been researching Tumeric recently the very interesting. Good to see that you have had positive results. Apparently black pepper increases the rate at which you can absorb the tumeric/curcumin.
I've not had a formal diagnosis and blood tests a year or so ago now showed nothing.
I have suffered from gout which is very painful and debilitating in itself.However this has now progressed to multi joint and or single joint attacks which are crippling.
Previously I'd be affected in one foot, ankle or knee at a time and I could get to work and do my job notwithstanding ignorant tossers who just had to say something about me wearing sandals rather than shoes. I shut them up by saying ok I'll go home sick then if my sandals are so offensive. It's sandals or I don't come in.
Now though I can sometimes find I am affected in both legs (all 3 joints) and my hands and wrists too at the same time.
At those times I cannot bend sufficiently to get into a car and climbing up or worse down stairs takes an age and (too much info) lowering myself sufficiently to sit on the toilet is a major physical achievement!
I have and have always had an anathema to any sort of drug.
However I have got soft in my old age so now take naproxen as and when the pain becomes too intense or, more usually, I need to dampen it down so I can get some uninterrupted sleep as I've become exhausted.
One thing that seems to have helped in reducing the frequency of attacks is a teaspoon of Turmeric every morning in my fruit juice. Turmeric is a natural anti inflammatory and works for me. I have tried Glucosamine previously but it does not really work for me although I know of people it does help.
I hope you find something that at least keeps the pain at a tolerable level. In my eyes that is half the battle.
Len, I have been researching Tumeric recently the very interesting. Good to see that you have had positive results. Apparently black pepper increases the rate at which you can absorb the tumeric/curcumin.
Yes, I learned too that turmeric is absorbed better with black pepper.
Many nutrients require another vitamin/mineral before they can be absorbed. Otherwise good nutrition can just pass straight through the body without benefit.
I've not had a formal diagnosis and blood tests a year or so ago now showed nothing.
I have suffered from gout which is very painful and debilitating in itself.However this has now progressed to multi joint and or single joint attacks which are crippling.
Previously I'd be affected in one foot, ankle or knee at a time and I could get to work and do my job notwithstanding ignorant tossers who just had to say something about me wearing sandals rather than shoes. I shut them up by saying ok I'll go home sick then if my sandals are so offensive. It's sandals or I don't come in.
Now though I can sometimes find I am affected in both legs (all 3 joints) and my hands and wrists too at the same time.
At those times I cannot bend sufficiently to get into a car and climbing up or worse down stairs takes an age and (too much info) lowering myself sufficiently to sit on the toilet is a major physical achievement!
I have and have always had an anathema to any sort of drug.
However I have got soft in my old age so now take naproxen as and when the pain becomes too intense or, more usually, I need to dampen it down so I can get some uninterrupted sleep as I've become exhausted.
One thing that seems to have helped in reducing the frequency of attacks is a teaspoon of Turmeric every morning in my fruit juice. Turmeric is a natural anti inflammatory and works for me. I have tried Glucosamine previously but it does not really work for me although I know of people it does help.
I hope you find something that at least keeps the pain at a tolerable level. In my eyes that is half the battle.
@LenGlover Speak to your doctor about Febuxostat. I have suffered from Gout since the 1980's and nothing could ease the pain. In 2010, my consultant rheumatologist prescribed Febuxostat alongside a soluble Diclophenic and I haven't had an attack since. Also take a daily dose of Cherry juice and you'll be sorted .. You can buy it in Holland and Barratt Cherry Juice
The Best Diet for Rheumatoid Arthritis Written By Michael Greger M.D. FACLM on May 9th, 2017
Rheumatoid arthritis is a chronic systemic autoimmune disease affecting millions. It is characterized by persistent pain, stiffness, and progressive joint destruction leading to crippling deformities, particularly in the hands and feet. What can we do to prevent and treat it?
In my video Why Do Plant-Based Diets Help Rheumatoid Arthritis?, I show a famous 13-month randomized controlled trial of plant-based diets for rheumatoid arthritis where patients were put on a vegan diet for three and a half months and then switched to an egg-free lactovegetarian diet for the remainder of the study. Compared to the control group (who didn’t change their diet at all), the plant-based group experienced significant improvements starting within weeks. Their morning stiffness improved within the first month, cutting the number of hours they suffered from joint stiffness in half. Their pain level dropped from 5 out of 10 down to less than 3 out of 10. Disability levels dropped, and subjects reported feeling better; they had greater grip strength, fewer tender joints, less tenderness per joint, and less swelling. They also had a drop in inflammatory markers in their blood, such as sedimentation rate, C-reactive protein, and white blood cell count. As a bonus, they lost about 13 pounds and kept most of that weight off throughout the year.
What does diet have to do with joint disease?
Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease, in which our own body attacks the lining of our joints. There’s also a different autoimmune disease called rheumatic fever, in which our body attacks our heart. Why would it do that? It appears to be a matter of friendly fire.
Rheumatic fever is caused by strep throat, which is itself caused by a bacterium that has a protein that looks an awful lot like a protein in our heart. When our immune system attacks the strep bacteria, it also attacks our heart valves, triggering an autoimmune attack by “molecular mimicry.” The protein on the strep bacteria is mimicking a protein in our heart; so, our body gets confused and attacks both. That’s why it’s critical to treat strep throat early to prevent our heart from getting caught in the crossfire.
Researchers figured that rheumatoid arthritis might be triggered by an infection as well. A clue to where to start looking was the fact that women seem to get it three times more frequently than men. What type of infection do women get more than men? Urinary tract infections (UTIs). So, researchers started testing the urine of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers and, lo and behold, found a bacterium called Proteus mirabilis. Not enough to cause symptoms of a UTI, but enough to trigger an immune response. And indeed, there’s a molecule in the bacterium that looks an awful lot like one of the molecules in our joints.
The theory is that anti-Proteus antibodies against the bacterial molecule may inadvertently damage our own joint tissues, leading eventually to joint destruction. Therefore, interventions to remove this bacterium from the bodies of patients, with consequent reduction of antibodies against the organism, should lead to a decrease in inflammation.
As we saw in my video Avoiding Chicken to Avoid Bladder Infections, urinary tract infections originate from the fecal flora. The bacteria crawl up from the rectum into the bladder. How might we change the bugs in our colons? By changing our diet.
Some of the first studies published more than 20 years ago to fundamentally shift people’s gut flora were done using raw vegan diets, figuring that’s about as fundamental a shift from the standard Western diet as possible. Indeed, within days researchers could significantly change subjects’ gut flora. When researchers put rheumatoid arthritis sufferers on that kind of diet, they experienced relief, and the greatest improvements were linked to greatest changes in gut flora. The diet was considered so intolerable, though, that half the patients couldn’t take it and dropped out, perhaps because they were trying to feed people things like “buckwheat-beetroot cutlets” buttered with a spread made out of almonds and fermented cucumber juice.
Thankfully, regular vegetarian and vegan diets work too, changing the intestinal flora and improving rheumatoid arthritis. However, we didn’t specifically have confirmation that plant-based diets brought down anti-Proteus antibodies until 2014. Subjects that responded to the plant-based diet showed a significant drop in anti-Proteus mirabilis antibodies compared to the control group. Maybe it just dropped immune responses across the board? No, antibody levels against other bugs remained the same; so, the assumption is that the plant-based diet reduced urinary or gut levels of the bacteria.
A shift from an omnivorous to a vegetarian diet has a profound influence on the composition of urine as well. For example, those eating plant-based had higher levels of lignans in their urine. Up until now, it was thought that they only protected people from getting cancer, but we now know lignans can also have antimicrobial properties. Perhaps, they help clear Proteus mirabilis from the system. Either way, these data suggest a new type of therapy for the management of rheumatoid arthritis: anti-Proteus measures including plant-based diets.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
No offence intended @Stevelamb but I’m fairly sure if this thread was based on erectile dysfunction, tennis elbow or Fletcher’s bad feet you would have been recommending a plant based diet and have the evidence to back it up!
No offence intended @Stevelamb but I’m fairly sure if this thread was based on erectile dysfunction, tennis elbow or Fletcher’s bad feet you would have been recommending a plant based diet and have the evidence to back it up!
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
I wouldnt like to guess at how many years it was since Arsenetatters last ate meat.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
I wouldnt like to guess at how many years it was since Arsenetatters last ate meat.
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
I wouldnt like to guess at how many years it was since Arsenetatters last ate meat.
Poor old Mr Tatters
He's on a whole plant based diet too and apparently doesn't have any erectile issues
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
I wouldnt like to guess at how many years it was since Arsenetatters last ate meat.
Poor old Mr Tatters
He's on a whole plant based diet too and apparently doesn't have any erectile issues
Saw GP today and being referred back to specialist at Darenth Valley . Apparently my arthritis (psoriatic) will only get worse. Cheery news. No real helpful advice from him on what to do management wise so I'm going to try some of the diet suggestions above, starting with cherry juice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
Change to plant based nutrition and your problems will go away in maximum of 20 days. Keep eating the same as you are now and it will only get worse. Your Doctor will not tell you this as incredibly they are not taught nutrition! Try it for 20 days, you will be amazed and so will your doctors.
I wouldnt like to guess at how many years it was since Arsenetatters last ate meat.
Poor old Mr Tatters
He's on a whole plant based diet too and apparently doesn't have any erectile issues
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I have suffered from gout which is very painful and debilitating in itself.However this has now progressed to multi joint and or single joint attacks which are crippling.
Previously I'd be affected in one foot, ankle or knee at a time and I could get to work and do my job notwithstanding ignorant tossers who just had to say something about me wearing sandals rather than shoes. I shut them up by saying ok I'll go home sick then if my sandals are so offensive. It's sandals or I don't come in.
Now though I can sometimes find I am affected in both legs (all 3 joints) and my hands and wrists too at the same time.
At those times I cannot bend sufficiently to get into a car and climbing up or worse down stairs takes an age and (too much info) lowering myself sufficiently to sit on the toilet is a major physical achievement!
I have and have always had an anathema to any sort of drug.
However I have got soft in my old age so now take naproxen as and when the pain becomes too intense or, more usually, I need to dampen it down so I can get some uninterrupted sleep as I've become exhausted.
One thing that seems to have helped in reducing the frequency of attacks is a teaspoon of Turmeric every morning in my fruit juice. Turmeric is a natural anti inflammatory and works for me. I have tried Glucosamine previously but it does not really work for me although I know of people it does help.
I hope you find something that at least keeps the pain at a tolerable level. In my eyes that is half the battle.
Processed foods often contain so many artificial or chemical additives, which can stress the body immune system.
Also much of today's food is nutritionally lacking - it's not providing all he tools the body needs to repair itself.
Then there is the pesticide and herbicide residue problem. Toxins accumulate in the body over the years and again stress the body immune system, particularly as you get older.
Poor diet always results eventually in poor health.
Take time to find out what you are putting into your body. And what nutritionally your body requires.
They should teach this basic stuff in school.
Many nutrients require another vitamin/mineral before they can be absorbed.
Otherwise good nutrition can just pass straight through the body without benefit.
Written By Michael Greger M.D. FACLM on May 9th, 2017
Rheumatoid arthritis is a chronic systemic autoimmune disease affecting millions. It is characterized by persistent pain, stiffness, and progressive joint destruction leading to crippling deformities, particularly in the hands and feet. What can we do to prevent and treat it?
In my video Why Do Plant-Based Diets Help Rheumatoid Arthritis?, I show a famous 13-month randomized controlled trial of plant-based diets for rheumatoid arthritis where patients were put on a vegan diet for three and a half months and then switched to an egg-free lactovegetarian diet for the remainder of the study. Compared to the control group (who didn’t change their diet at all), the plant-based group experienced significant improvements starting within weeks. Their morning stiffness improved within the first month, cutting the number of hours they suffered from joint stiffness in half. Their pain level dropped from 5 out of 10 down to less than 3 out of 10. Disability levels dropped, and subjects reported feeling better; they had greater grip strength, fewer tender joints, less tenderness per joint, and less swelling. They also had a drop in inflammatory markers in their blood, such as sedimentation rate, C-reactive protein, and white blood cell count. As a bonus, they lost about 13 pounds and kept most of that weight off throughout the year.
What does diet have to do with joint disease?
Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease, in which our own body attacks the lining of our joints. There’s also a different autoimmune disease called rheumatic fever, in which our body attacks our heart. Why would it do that? It appears to be a matter of friendly fire.
Rheumatic fever is caused by strep throat, which is itself caused by a bacterium that has a protein that looks an awful lot like a protein in our heart. When our immune system attacks the strep bacteria, it also attacks our heart valves, triggering an autoimmune attack by “molecular mimicry.” The protein on the strep bacteria is mimicking a protein in our heart; so, our body gets confused and attacks both. That’s why it’s critical to treat strep throat early to prevent our heart from getting caught in the crossfire.
Researchers figured that rheumatoid arthritis might be triggered by an infection as well. A clue to where to start looking was the fact that women seem to get it three times more frequently than men. What type of infection do women get more than men? Urinary tract infections (UTIs). So, researchers started testing the urine of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers and, lo and behold, found a bacterium called Proteus mirabilis. Not enough to cause symptoms of a UTI, but enough to trigger an immune response. And indeed, there’s a molecule in the bacterium that looks an awful lot like one of the molecules in our joints.
The theory is that anti-Proteus antibodies against the bacterial molecule may inadvertently damage our own joint tissues, leading eventually to joint destruction. Therefore, interventions to remove this bacterium from the bodies of patients, with consequent reduction of antibodies against the organism, should lead to a decrease in inflammation.
As we saw in my video Avoiding Chicken to Avoid Bladder Infections, urinary tract infections originate from the fecal flora. The bacteria crawl up from the rectum into the bladder. How might we change the bugs in our colons? By changing our diet.
Some of the first studies published more than 20 years ago to fundamentally shift people’s gut flora were done using raw vegan diets, figuring that’s about as fundamental a shift from the standard Western diet as possible. Indeed, within days researchers could significantly change subjects’ gut flora. When researchers put rheumatoid arthritis sufferers on that kind of diet, they experienced relief, and the greatest improvements were linked to greatest changes in gut flora. The diet was considered so intolerable, though, that half the patients couldn’t take it and dropped out, perhaps because they were trying to feed people things like “buckwheat-beetroot cutlets” buttered with a spread made out of almonds and fermented cucumber juice.
Thankfully, regular vegetarian and vegan diets work too, changing the intestinal flora and improving rheumatoid arthritis. However, we didn’t specifically have confirmation that plant-based diets brought down anti-Proteus antibodies until 2014. Subjects that responded to the plant-based diet showed a significant drop in anti-Proteus mirabilis antibodies compared to the control group. Maybe it just dropped immune responses across the board? No, antibody levels against other bugs remained the same; so, the assumption is that the plant-based diet reduced urinary or gut levels of the bacteria.
A shift from an omnivorous to a vegetarian diet has a profound influence on the composition of urine as well. For example, those eating plant-based had higher levels of lignans in their urine. Up until now, it was thought that they only protected people from getting cancer, but we now know lignans can also have antimicrobial properties. Perhaps, they help clear Proteus mirabilis from the system. Either way, these data suggest a new type of therapy for the management of rheumatoid arthritis: anti-Proteus measures including plant-based diets.
Over to you AFKA.
It's your choice.
I read somewhere that losing weight helps - I'm not a huge heffer but could lose a few pounds. Has anyone had success with that?
Great thread - lots of suggestions
PS Tom from Eltham this is a joke but please feel free to try the diet.
(I hope the cherry juice helps)