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Bowyer Has Never Apologised For Racism Says Supporters Trust Chairman

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  • edited August 2018
    The Trust represents fans views by surveying them and publishing them including opposing viewpoints. Amazing some still people still don’t understand that. If people can suggest a better way of doing that please do, and stand for the TB - but I make you wrong in saying it’s unrepresentative for that reason.

    Some of you above clearly formed an opinion about the organisation and its merits way way back, good luck to you but no surprise when you find another excuse to bash it.
  • Weird to bring up the racism.
  • razil said:

    The Trust represents fans views by surveying them and publishing them including opposing viewpoints. Amazing some still people still don’t understand that. If people can suggest a better way of doing that please do, and stand for the TB - but I make you wrong in saying it’s unrepresentative for that reason.

    Some of you above clearly formed an opinion about the organisation and its merits way way back, good luck to you but no surprise when you find another excuse to bash it.

    Surely criticism from lifelong Charlton fans against an institution purporting to represent them can be valid without pulling out the strawman "do it better yourself then" argument and fair when such a statement is made by the chairman.

    As I posted earlier we appear to do the complete opposite of siege mentality at Charlton. Eve of potentially toughest season in last 20 years, club in disarray and the supporters trust chairman is bringing up racism and race issues about our current and former manager in interviews with our next opponent.


    Regardless of whether there is a place for that conversation it certainly isn't in that forum and context surely.</>

    I think the linkage some are using is pretty weak and as such used as just another excuse to bash the Trust and tacking on to this error.

    Nothing stopping you suggesting a better way for it to represent fans, on here for example. Joining the TB is simply another way of doing that.
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  • rikofold said:

    People making public statements are open to criticism and it's perfectly valid to form a view on the statement.

    It isn't at all valid to slag Richard in the way some have done on here. He's a top bloke, one of the nicest fellas you'll ever meet and - even as Trust chair - is entitled to an opinion. I imagine there's been some editing that hasn't been kind, but even if not I don't see he's intending to speak for the Trust or its members.

    What he says may be accurate. Bowyer may of course consider that he has nothing to apologise for - after all, that was his beef with Leeds - and perhaps Richard might have been more politic given the timing.

    But I can't accept the insults aimed at him - way way off the mark.

    The article cites him as CAST chairman which by default to readers implies he is speaking as a representative of the Charlton fan base.

    Thankfully he is not but that is the impression and the likely reason he was invited for the interview as opposed to Joe Bloggs Charlton supporter.

    Making an implicit comment about our manager in relation to racism whilst immediately juxtaposing it with a reference to a black manager alludes to a curious mindset about the issue.

    It will only serve to further alienate supporters from an unrepresentative trust and offer credibility to the assumption it is exploited as a platform for ego- driven agendas for their version of what Charlton ought be as opposed to its implied remit of representing the best interests of the wider Charlton supporter base.

    No need for vitriol or personal attacks I agree but the disparaging comments against Bowyer seem entirely out of context and unnecessary here.

    I think the fact he prefaces his comments with the word personally makes it quite clear he wasn't speaking for anyone but himself.

    Anyway, just making the point you ended with.
  • "Bowyer is a controversial figure and as far as I know, he has never apologised for the racism of his younger days"

    For the sake of clarity @Pico can you confirm what racism you ment? I assume it isn't the court case where he was cleared of all charges?
  • Will Bowyer be at the trust AGM later this year?
  • edited August 2018


    Maybe the one he plead guilty in and was told that he was incredibly fortunate to avoid a jail sentance?
    This one https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/they-yelled-paki-bastard-and-threw-chairs-1-2417207/amp you mean?

    Common knowledge among Charlton and Leeds fans of a certain age but a lot of people reading the article MAY assume it references a different case all together.

    You know one that was in the national press for months......
  • edited August 2018
    Rob62 said:

    Cafc43v3r said:

    "Bowyer is a controversial figure and as far as I know, he has never apologised for the racism of his younger days"

    For the sake of clarity @Pico can you confirm what racism you ment? I assume it isn't the court case where he was cleared of all charges?

    Maybe the one he plead guilty in and was told that he was incredibly fortunate to avoid a jail sentance?

    EDIT: for clarity, I was referring to this one: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/they-yelled-paki-bastard-and-threw-chairs-1-2417207
    He admitted affray, as far as I can tell he was never charged with any racist crime.

    People need to be very careful what they accuse other people of in a public demain.
  • shirty5 said:

    Will Bowyer be at the trust AGM later this year?

    No idea but he'll be at Bromley Addicks on 6 September
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  • shirty5 said:

    Will Bowyer be at the trust AGM later this year?

    No idea but he'll be at Bromley Addicks on 6 September
    How heavy are the chairs ?

  • ross1 said:

    The supporters trust members should all resign in protest

    Or throw Roland shaped stress balls at him at the next CAST meeting
  • edited August 2018

    No need for a witch hunt against @Pico and easy to say stuff like this out of context. Christ if I got pulled up every time I said something out of place I would have been exiled years ago.


    We need to be more unified as a fan base than ever at the moment.

    But with the greatest of respect. You are not Chair of the Supporters Trust.

    But agreed no witch hunt required.

  • razil said:

    The Trust represents fans views by surveying them and publishing them including opposing viewpoints. Amazing some still people still don’t understand that. If people can suggest a better way of doing that please do, and stand for the TB - but I make you wrong in saying it’s unrepresentative for that reason.

    Some of you above clearly formed an opinion about the organisation and its merits way way back, good luck to you but no surprise when you find another excuse to bash it.


    I joined the Trust when it formed as wanted to still feel part of the fan base whilst disconnected with the club, I have fully supported its existence and it’s purpose and have never been critical. In fact this might even be my first ever post on CL!

    I bristled at reading the article as didn’t agree with the views and don’t feel that someone in this position should be making them publicly.

    However this comment has made me cancel my CAST / Membership subscription... The “we volunteer so you can’t criticise us” attitude is the straw that broke the camels back.

    Can’t wait for the season to start so I can ignore all this bollocks


  • razil said:

    RW is a straight up fella, and was being honest in answering that question. We moan when people in ‘public life’ are evasive don’t we.

    LB does have some marks on his copy book undeniably.

    Perhaps timing/phrasing a bit unfortunate.

    Honest? I’m sure the interviewer meant was he suitable in a football sense and there was no need to say what he said.
  • shirty5 said:

    Will Bowyer be at the trust AGM later this year?

    No idea but he'll be at Bromley Addicks on 6 September
    How heavy are the chairs ?

    When Bowyer and Tommy Robinson came last year I went out to greet them and asked if they'd found us ok.

    "Yes" say Robinson "we stopped at McDonald's on the way.

    I bit my lip : - )
  • Richard "not so" Wiseman
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