The biggest disappointment of not advancing in the Nations League is as already mentioned... We'll now play twelve World Cup Qualifiers against Nations we'll be expected to thrash and most games we probably will
It wont tell us anything about the England team as any games against big nations will have to be friendlies
Had we advanced in this we'll have had ten World Cup Qualifiers and two competitive games against the likes of France and Germany / Spain
Sancho hasn’t done one thing right since he’s come on
He doesn't seem to know what his options in advance of receiving the ball - first he had an opportunity to hit a cross shot but took an extra touch instead and then had ample space to run with the ball but turned back on himself instead
Regardless of the usual overreaction every time England lose a game, some positives from this evening. Grealish was the best player on the pitch by a mile. Saka played well when he come on. Actually think it was one of our better performances. Kane’s usual prowess was off tonight and 14 attempts yet 0 goals is a downer. That was miles better than the Denmark performance.
Dier and Rice nowhere near good enough at this level . Having doubts about Mount and Sancho as well . Take Grealish and Kane out of the team , we are bang average .
Saying we dominated the game that we lost 2-0 is so small-time.
Do you spout the same negative shite after a Charlton game or do you just save it all up for England?
If we set up like we were terrified of a team we should be challenging. Concede two easy goals and then fail to have a clear-cut chance outside of one header in the rest of the game. Sure.
Saying we dominated the game that we lost 2-0 is so small-time.
Do you spout the same negative shite after a Charlton game or do you just save it all up for England?
mI forgot you speak for all England fans
what?
Have a look through every England thread on here. Most people criticise and praise but he has a massive agenda with Southgate, he thinks Sancho should have the team built around him and Daniel James plays for England.
Reality is we lost the game in the first half. Anyone can look OK in a second half where the other team shut up shop. I respect a lot of people on here defending Southgate and the performance, but the reality is we don't play to our strengths. The only left field pick in recent times was Cody. We missed him out there tonight. Afraid Southgate is not ruthless enough. Too loyal to average players like Dier, Mings, Rice and Pickford.
Dier and Rice nowhere near good enough at this level . Having doubts about Mount and Sancho as well . Take Grealish and Kane out of the team , we are bang average .
Add Sterling and Rashford though and Kane / Grealish will get a lot more space... Belgium were happy to crowd those two out tonight as there was no outlet
Add a passer (Foden) and Sterling / Rashford and there would have been a lot more freedom for Kane and Grealish as Belgium wont have gotten tight to them else Sterling and Rashford would have had so much freedom
Saying we dominated the game that we lost 2-0 is so small-time.
Do you spout the same negative shite after a Charlton game or do you just save it all up for England?
mI forgot you speak for all England fans
what?
Have a look through every England thread on here. Most people criticise and praise but he has a massive agenda with Southgate, he thinks Sancho should have the team built around him and Daniel James plays for England.
im not sure what you’re talking about.
Maybe speak for all England fans was unnecessary, but i think he had a point. Although we played ok at times we huffed and puffed and lost 2-0 against a team who didn't really get out of second gear. And Daniel James for England?! Fair enough i must have missed that
Saying we dominated the game that we lost 2-0 is so small-time.
Do you spout the same negative shite after a Charlton game or do you just save it all up for England?
If we set up like we were terrified of a team we should be challenging. Concede two easy goals and then fail to have a clear-cut chance outside of one header in the rest of the game. Sure.
If I had Dier CB I’d be terrified of Woking let alone Lukaku and Belgium. That’s a criticism of Southgate btw, I have no idea why that useless prick gets picked for the squad let alone the starting lineup. Mourinho rates him as well so I must be missing something. A shit pass from the above and a poor ref decision put us 2 nil down. As I said, Kane wasn’t clinical or alive enough tonight (do we just fuck him off as well?). A poor result but the performance wasn’t bad at all.
Pick 3 of 5 and put Foden behind and you’re laughing.
If Southgate wasn't so negative and worried so much about our defence then we could actually play a front three of Rashford, Kane and Sterling with Grealish and Foden feeding them. Henderson would be the sitter in front of a back four.
What's different about that and when City play Sterling, Aguero and Mahrez up top with the likes of KDB plus one from Foden/Bernardo Silva/David Silva behind and a Fernandinho or Gundogan sitting?
Gutted with that result. Really wanted to push on and win the group. Grealish stand out, didn’t quite fall for Kane but he is generally brilliant and we are so lucky to have him, desperately need him to stay fit for the euros.
I love what Southgate has done with the England set up, the blend of brining young players through and installing discipline (albeit with sone recent hiccups) has been fantastic and he is a credit to himself for all of that.
My fear is that he is not a tactically world class or even top tier manager and this may end up being this teams downfall.
The two results against Denmark have really been our downfall. We could’ve afforded to drop points tonight if we had of beaten them home and away, instead we took just one point. Think back to that midfield of Philips and Rice in Denmark and despair.
Thought that was our best performance in this group stage. Their goals came with a good amount of fortune (2nd wasn't a FK IMO, but great strike) which we didn't quite get. Hopefully, that's just the start of things for Grealish with England.
I can't remember a series of more negative England lineups than under Southgate in this tournament. And this is when we've never had an array of more attacking talent. I listen to his interviews and I think he's lost it, to be honest. He is way too concerned with how the media narrative will be after a game and sometimes even admits his lineup was predicated on that.
Belgium are one of the best teams in the world so it's no shame losing to them, but results do matter in international football. In fact, in tournaments they're the only thing that matter.
Pick 3 of 5 and put Foden behind and you’re laughing.
If Southgate wasn't so negative and worried so much about our defence then we could actually play a front three of Rashford, Kane and Sterling with Grealish and Foden feeding them. Henderson would be the sitter in front of a back four.
What's different about that and when City play Sterling, Aguero and Mahrez up top with the likes of KDB plus one from Foden/Bernardo Silva/David Silva behind and a Fernandinho or Gundogan sitting?
Play to your strengths not your weaknesses.
Spot on. Picking 3 attacking players is a given, we have enough quality players to pick more.
Pick a back 4 with Henderson, Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sterling and Kane and we've got a chance. We may well lose, but if we lose with a back 5 and 2 holding midfielders then Southgate is going to get slaughtered.
Defensively we are clearly not very strong, I get that Southgate plays 2 defensive midfielders. But with the attacking players we have we have enough to out score teams. The problem is it’s always going to be tough if you give the opposition a 2 goal head start.
We seem to get a flurry of players coming through from a certain position but have a massive gap in another. Not so long ago we had King, Terry, Carragher, Campbell and Ferdinand to pick from at the back, now we have no real quality there.
Mount wide of front 3 really doesn’t work. Obviously it will be sterling when he is fit.
Thought we played well last night and not really concerned about the result.
I know one thing, we can’t persist with Dier and I honestly don’t quite know what Rice offers.
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It wont tell us anything about the England team as any games against big nations will have to be friendlies
Had we advanced in this we'll have had ten World Cup Qualifiers and two competitive games against the likes of France and Germany / Spain
TOO NEGATIVE
PLAY BLOODY FODEN!
RICE IS SHITE
Pick 3 of 5 and put Foden behind and you’re laughing.
Have a look through every England thread on here. Most people criticise and praise but he has a massive agenda with Southgate, he thinks Sancho should have the team built around him and Daniel James plays for England.
im not sure what you’re talking about.
Completely different mindset.
I respect a lot of people on here defending Southgate and the performance, but the reality is we don't play to our strengths. The only left field pick in recent times was Cody. We missed him out there tonight.
Afraid Southgate is not ruthless enough. Too loyal to average players like Dier, Mings, Rice and Pickford.
Add a passer (Foden) and Sterling / Rashford and there would have been a lot more freedom for Kane and Grealish as Belgium wont have gotten tight to them else Sterling and Rashford would have had so much freedom
What's different about that and when City play Sterling, Aguero and Mahrez up top with the likes of KDB plus one from Foden/Bernardo Silva/David Silva behind and a Fernandinho or Gundogan sitting?
Play to your strengths not your weaknesses.
I love what Southgate has done with the England set up, the blend of brining young players through and installing discipline (albeit with sone recent hiccups) has been fantastic and he is a credit to himself for all of that.
My fear is that he is not a tactically world class or even top tier manager and this may end up being this teams downfall.
Belgium are one of the best teams in the world so it's no shame losing to them, but results do matter in international football. In fact, in tournaments they're the only thing that matter.
Pick a back 4 with Henderson, Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sterling and Kane and we've got a chance. We may well lose, but if we lose with a back 5 and 2 holding midfielders then Southgate is going to get slaughtered.
Thought we played well last night and not really concerned about the result.