Good read, though. I don't know where else you will find such a detailed, withering, accurate criticism of the Duchatelet regime. Which is kind of worrying, really.
Good read, though. I don't know where else you will find such a detailed, withering, accurate criticism of the Duchatelet regime. Which is kind of worrying, really.
Can you find me a Charlton owner, in say the last 40 years, that you couldn't write a detailed, withering, accurate criticism of? I can think of 1 and a half out of about 7.
Good read, though. I don't know where else you will find such a detailed, withering, accurate criticism of the Duchatelet regime. Which is kind of worrying, really.
Can you find me a Charlton owner, in say the last 40 years, that you couldn't write a detailed, withering, accurate criticism of? I can think of 1 and a half out of about 7.
To be fair, you could find plenty of redeeming features in the Gliksten era, some in the Hulyer interlude and quite a few under John Fryer. Ditto the Spivs.
Duchatelet is unique in that it is very hard to find anything positive for which he has been responsible in five years.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
None of which opportunities were available to him. But while all previous regimes lacked the money to fulfil the fans’ ambitions, this owner had no interest in them and has used the resources he does have to engage in the catastrophic destruction of the club’s performance, reputation and spirit because he couldn’t care less, because he lacks basic human qualities that would inevitably have put him on a different course and because he was able to call on a handful of gutless weasels to stand and applaud while he did it.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
None of which opportunities were available to him. But while all previous regimes lacked the money to fulfil the fans’ ambitions, this owner had no interest in them and has used the resources he does have to engage in the catastrophic destruction of the club’s performance, reputation and spirt because he couldn’t care less, because he lacks basic human qualities that would inevitably have put him on a different course and because he was able to call on a handful of gutless weasels to stand and applaud while he did it.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
Very well put, my "dog in this fight" isn't RD, far from it, my "dog" is the assumption that any new owner would be better.
It's a big, common assumption, on here that a new owner will a) sign the out of contract players then b) pay for more players. Its more likely that we will get an owner that tries to break even. There is no reference point in history that suggests we will get the owner we want or "deserve". Maybe we are all paying the price for the expectation the RM area gave us?
I think some of our fans (the ones who still aren’t fully accepting how shit and bad an owner Roland is and how much he has killed the soul of our club amongst others and are deferential to him because he pays the bills ) deserve him as an owner . Of course there may be a poorer owner who struggles to get by but if they have the right intentions and look to utilise rather than ostracize our supporters then they’ll have a better chance of bringing us back to life as a club . This clown owner is a disaster and we’d be hard pushed to find an owner worse for our club . Of course there could be worse but the likelihood is very small imo and I’d rather we threw the dice than continue to die a slow death like we currently are as a club.
I agree with everything Airman and oohaah Mortimer say about Duchatelet. The horror stories of his tenure at Standard Liege that my son told me about the day he took over at cafc and how after finishing top of the League he sold the best five players with financial benefits to himself in some cases. But other than Richard Murray Part 1, or Roger Alwen and co who just stopped this club dying, the Glikstens were shocking owners. By the time the brothers passed the club over to Michael Gilksten he didn't give a toss other than selling any decent players we had. I thought he lived in Australia ?
Duchatelet is the guy killing OUR club now. BUT to move the club ten miles away instead of upgrading the valley at the time of John Fryer/ Jimmy Hill showed a total lack of understanding of supporters needs.
Which brings us full circle back to Duchatelet. A man so lacking in empathy he may be on the Autistic spectrum. (Not totally flippant as I have studied the subject)
I agree with everything Airman and oohaah Mortimer say about Duchatelet. The horror stories of his tenure at Standard Liege that my son told me about the day he took over at cafc and how after finishing top of the League he sold the best five players with financial benefits to himself in some cases. But other than Richard Murray Part 1, or Roger Alwen and co who just stopped this club dying, the Glikstens were shocking owners. By the time the brothers passed the club over to Michael Gilksten he didn't give a toss other than selling any decent players we had. I thought he lived in Australia ?
Duchatelet is the guy killing OUR club now. BUT to move the club ten miles away instead of upgrading the valley at the time of John Fryer/ Jimmy Hill showed a total lack of understanding of supporters needs.
Which brings us full circle back to Duchatelet. A man so lacking in empathy he may be on the Autistic spectrum. (Not totally flippant as I have studied the subject)
I’m not particularly defending either Michael Gliksten or John Fryer, but I think Michael Gliksten was a more complex character than the caricature often painted of him and has to be seen in the context of the often incompetent patrician ownership of clubs generally at the time. There’s no doubt he had genuine affection for the club, as people who knew him well will tell you. He was tight-fisted and became disillusioned but I don’t believe his sole purpose was ever to sell players - that was simply a product of his financial approach.
Fryer enabled the club to be saved in 1984 and funded promotion to the top flight after 29 years. Even the move to Selhurst has a context, which is Heysel, Bradford, the separation of ownership of club and ground which could not be reunited by him, given his background, and half a century of neglect which wasn’t unique in English football, although it was extreme.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
None of which opportunities were available to him. But while all previous regimes lacked the money to fulfil the fans’ ambitions, this owner had no interest in them and has used the resources he does have to engage in the catastrophic destruction of the club’s performance, reputation and spirt because he couldn’t care less, because he lacks basic human qualities that would inevitably have put him on a different course and because he was able to call on a handful of gutless weasels to stand and applaud while he did it.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
Very well put, my "dog in this fight" isn't RD, far from it, my "dog" is the assumption that any new owner would be better.
It's a big, common assumption, on here that a new owner will a) sign the out of contract players then b) pay for more players. Its more likely that we will get an owner that tries to break even. There is no reference point in history that suggests we will get the owner we want or "deserve". Maybe we are all paying the price for the expectation the RM area gave us?
The original point said nothing about the next owner but in any event it’s a bit patronising to imply that you are one of the few who sees risks in the future. The fact remains that the club needs a new owner because the current one is poison. As he has just demonstrated, again, he isn’t going to change. We don’t get a veto over future owners so that risk must be embraced, which is why there’s no point banging on about it at this stage. And in fact it is counter-productive if a new owner isn’t welcomed just for not being Duchatelet, because he so utterly useless.
There is no break even position outside the Premier League. Anyone who understands the accounts will realise that.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
None of which opportunities were available to him. But while all previous regimes lacked the money to fulfil the fans’ ambitions, this owner had no interest in them and has used the resources he does have to engage in the catastrophic destruction of the club’s performance, reputation and spirt because he couldn’t care less, because he lacks basic human qualities that would inevitably have put him on a different course and because he was able to call on a handful of gutless weasels to stand and applaud while he did it.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate 2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now 3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park 4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
None of which opportunities were available to him. But while all previous regimes lacked the money to fulfil the fans’ ambitions, this owner had no interest in them and has used the resources he does have to engage in the catastrophic destruction of the club’s performance, reputation and spirt because he couldn’t care less, because he lacks basic human qualities that would inevitably have put him on a different course and because he was able to call on a handful of gutless weasels to stand and applaud while he did it.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
Very well put, my "dog in this fight" isn't RD, far from it, my "dog" is the assumption that any new owner would be better.
It's a big, common assumption, on here that a new owner will a) sign the out of contract players then b) pay for more players. Its more likely that we will get an owner that tries to break even. There is no reference point in history that suggests we will get the owner we want or "deserve". Maybe we are all paying the price for the expectation the RM area gave us?
We might just as well stick with the lunatic we have then.
It really is amazing how people will compare past owners to try and justify the actions of the current one. There is no case to answer.
Duchatelet is Now, so is the worse. Despite the reasons given by Airman, about Fryer/Hill and Heysel stadium being a factor in the move to Thornton heath did you have NO Problem with that move or are you too young ? It is last century CAFC history but I would hate for us to forget the shocking decisions made by previous owners.
I repeat Roland Duchatelet is a nightmare owner and this is the painfull period we are living through. I have no idea what the next owners will be like, but even if they are bang average, will be an improvement on Duchatelet and most previous owners of this old south London football club.
Ps. I was living in Penge at the time and only had a two mile walk to Selhurst Park, despite this I was delighted when we came home.
Catching up with this thread is a good Sunday morning read, however my point above was along slightly different lines. I might have read the first two posts as more cynical than the authors intended, but they made me think about how important the Voice remains, and how no other "voice" comes near it, after all these years. IMO if we lost the Voice for any reason, that would be a bigger long term loss to Charlton fans than Karlan Grant, even if I'm still spitting blood over his sale. Personally I was a bit sceptical that the resurrected Voice would be viable in the digital age but not for the first time, Airman proved me wrong. Then we had some voices noting that because print sales were decent, the publisher was 'making money' as if that were some kind of Bad Thing which showed that he wasn't Impartial. Often such people were the same who would try to sound "business-like", "wisely" remarking that money doesn't grow on trees and that as a self-made billionaire RD knows better than any of us how this business should be run too.
All that said, you of course make a good point about whether the next owner will be any better, but that takes us into a different issue, that not enough of us fans think about the changes in governance of football overall that are needed to stop people like Duchatelet behaving as he does. The Voice doesn't really get stuck into issues like that, but one person can't do everything. For these issues better to look to the Supporters Trust for leadership. And there is a similar problem, its surveys show that tackling football governance issues (along with other Trusts of course) is well down the list of members' priorities. What we need is to get a fans' Voice heard again in the boardroom, and it will be much more effective if that happens in all English clubs, and is not just dependent on the goodwill of whoever owns Charlton.
I think you have to put these blights in Charlton's history in perspective
If some of the capers that had been pulled by previous regimes had been done under the glare of today's 24hr news, social media world the outrage meter would have been 10 fold times higher than it was back then.
It really is amazing how people will compare past owners to try and justify the actions of the current one. There is no case to answer.
Duchatelet is Now, so is the worse. Despite the reasons given by Airman, about Fryer/Hill and Heysel stadium being a factor in the move to Thornton heath did you have NO Problem with that move or are you too young ? It is last century CAFC history but I would hate for us to forget the shocking decisions made by previous owners.
I repeat Roland Duchatelet is a nightmare owner and this is the painfull period we are living through. I have no idea what the next owners will be like, but even if they are bang average, will be an improvement on Duchatelet and most previous owners of this old south London football club.
Ps. I was living in Penge at the time and only had a two mile walk to Selhurst Park, despite this I was delighted when we came home.
I am a very young 52.
These past 5 years have been carnage, you cannot compare to the past.
The club is on the floor, waiting to be picked up off it, dusted down, and started again.
It really is amazing how people will compare past owners to try and justify the actions of the current one. There is no case to answer.
This is a really good point. You should be able to list all of the positive and negative things that an owner has done and reach a conclusion as to how good they were completely independently of any external comparisons. When you have to fish around for the names of other bad owners to compare them with, you know you're on a sticky wicket.
It IS possible that new owners are worse than Duchatelet.
It is actually made more possible by Duchatelet who has made the club less attractive and driven away many possible owners.
We saw at Portsmouth bad owner follow bad owner follow bad owner just because the club was such a mess that it became attractive to chancers and spivs.
But to be worse than Duchatelet would be extremely hard, certainly in the short term.
Regardless, Duchatelet is the clear and present threat to our club and has to go.
Airman have you ever considered doing a paid for online version, for those of us abroad, once my mums found you, bought it and sent it here most of the stuff has been mentioned, it's still a good read but itd be great to get it faster!
It really is amazing how people will compare past owners to try and justify the actions of the current one. There is no case to answer.
Duchatelet is Now, so is the worse. Despite the reasons given by Airman, about Fryer/Hill and Heysel stadium being a factor in the move to Thornton heath did you have NO Problem with that move or are you too young ? It is last century CAFC history but I would hate for us to forget the shocking decisions made by previous owners.
I repeat Roland Duchatelet is a nightmare owner and this is the painfull period we are living through. I have no idea what the next owners will be like, but even if they are bang average, will be an improvement on Duchatelet and most previous owners of this old south London football club.
Ps. I was living in Penge at the time and only had a two mile walk to Selhurst Park, despite this I was delighted when we came home.
I am a very young 52.
These past 5 years have been carnage, you cannot compare to the past.
The club is on the floor, waiting to be picked up off it, dusted down, and started again.
So you didn't have a problem going to Selhurst and don't feel that ripped the soul from our club. We lost a generation of fans that never came back. The packed out valley when we got to the Premier were 10k neutrals out of 26k. Bizarre way of looking back at a nightmare when we lost the Valley.
It really is amazing how people will compare past owners to try and justify the actions of the current one. There is no case to answer.
Duchatelet is Now, so is the worse. Despite the reasons given by Airman, about Fryer/Hill and Heysel stadium being a factor in the move to Thornton heath did you have NO Problem with that move or are you too young ? It is last century CAFC history but I would hate for us to forget the shocking decisions made by previous owners.
I repeat Roland Duchatelet is a nightmare owner and this is the painfull period we are living through. I have no idea what the next owners will be like, but even if they are bang average, will be an improvement on Duchatelet and most previous owners of this old south London football club.
Ps. I was living in Penge at the time and only had a two mile walk to Selhurst Park, despite this I was delighted when we came home.
I am a very young 52.
These past 5 years have been carnage, you cannot compare to the past.
The club is on the floor, waiting to be picked up off it, dusted down, and started again.
So you didn't have a problem going to Selhurst and don't feel that ripped the soul from our club. We lost a generation of fans that never came back. The packed out valley when we got to the Premier were 10k neutrals out of 26k. Bizarre way of looking back at a nightmare when we lost the Valley.
How doesn't that compare to now ?
Where did I say I did not have a problem with the move to Sainsburys?
Refer to my post of 9.12 this morning before asking any further questions.......please.
Airman have you ever considered doing a paid for online version, for those of us abroad, once my mums found you, bought it and sent it here most of the stuff has been mentioned, it's still a good read but itd be great to get it faster!
I think he does direct postal subscriptions.
I think @PragueAddick and others get theirs that way.
Might speed it up if you can cut out the 'middle man.'
I'm not suggesting your Mum is a man for the avoidance of any doubt!
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Duchatelet is unique in that it is very hard to find anything positive for which he has been responsible in five years.
1) he hasn't allowed the ground to get into such a bad state that part of it can't get a safety certificate
2) he hasn't bankrupted us on the basis that a ship full of rubber will turn up any day now
3) hasn't moved us to selhurst park
4) he hasn't written cheques he can't pay
My point is that even the 1.5, that it appears we agree on, couldn't even financially bank roll a league 1 club, now. If RM hadn't sold to the spivs we would almost certainly got relegated, either that season or the next. The same as when they sold to RD.
The same maybe true if RD doesn't sell before June, or it may not, without someone prepared to spend tens of millions, of their own money, we won't get a good owner.
It may be possible to find a worse owner than Duchatelet but his actions, inactions, arrogance and stupidity will damn him to hell for all the history of this club and anybody who imagines otherwise is clearly delusional themselves.
It's a big, common assumption, on here that a new owner will a) sign the out of contract players then b) pay for more players. Its more likely that we will get an owner that tries to break even. There is no reference point in history that suggests we will get the owner we want or "deserve". Maybe we are all paying the price for the expectation the RM area gave us?
Of course there may be a poorer owner who struggles to get by but if they have the right intentions and look to utilise rather than ostracize our supporters then they’ll have a better chance of bringing us back to life as a club .
This clown owner is a disaster and we’d be hard pushed to find an owner worse for our club .
Of course there could be worse but the likelihood is very small imo and I’d rather we threw the dice than continue to die a slow death like we currently are as a club.
The horror stories of his tenure at Standard Liege that my son told me about the day he took over at cafc and how after finishing top of the League he sold the best five players with financial benefits to himself in some cases.
But other than Richard Murray Part 1, or Roger Alwen and co who just stopped this club dying, the Glikstens were shocking owners. By the time the brothers passed the club over to Michael Gilksten he didn't give a toss other than selling any decent players we had. I thought he lived in Australia ?
Duchatelet is the guy killing OUR club now.
BUT to move the club ten miles away instead of upgrading the valley at the time of John Fryer/ Jimmy Hill showed a total lack of understanding of supporters needs.
Which brings us full circle back to Duchatelet. A man so lacking in empathy he may be on the Autistic spectrum.
(Not totally flippant as I have studied the subject)
Fryer enabled the club to be saved in 1984 and funded promotion to the top flight after 29 years. Even the move to Selhurst has a context, which is Heysel, Bradford, the separation of ownership of club and ground which could not be reunited by him, given his background, and half a century of neglect which wasn’t unique in English football, although it was extreme.
It's a big, common assumption, on here that a new owner will a) sign the out of contract players then b) pay for more players. Its more likely that we will get an owner that tries to break even. There is no reference point in history that suggests we will get the owner we want or "deserve". Maybe we are all paying the price for the expectation the RM area gave us? The original point said nothing about the next owner but in any event it’s a bit patronising to imply that you are one of the few who sees risks in the future. The fact remains that the club needs a new owner because the current one is poison. As he has just demonstrated, again, he isn’t going to change. We don’t get a veto over future owners so that risk must be embraced, which is why there’s no point banging on about it at this stage. And in fact it is counter-productive if a new owner isn’t welcomed just for not being Duchatelet, because he so utterly useless.
There is no break even position outside the Premier League. Anyone who understands the accounts will realise that.
How many 23 year olds on here wouldn't make mistakes running a football club?
I hated Gliksten at the time especially when he sold Bonds and Glover and Hales too just after that 6-2 win over Southampton.
The wisdom of age though tells me that much of that could have happened because of inexperience rather than a callous disregard of the Club.
Duchatelet simply doesn't care as exemplified by his continual absence.
Despite the reasons given by Airman, about Fryer/Hill and Heysel stadium being a factor in the move to Thornton heath did you have NO Problem with that move or are you too young ?
It is last century CAFC history but I would hate for us to forget the shocking decisions made by previous owners.
I repeat Roland Duchatelet is a nightmare owner and this is the painfull period we are living through. I have no idea what the next owners will be like, but even if they are bang average, will be an improvement on Duchatelet and most previous owners of this old south London football club.
Ps. I was living in Penge at the time and only had a two mile walk to Selhurst Park, despite this I was delighted when we came home.
Catching up with this thread is a good Sunday morning read, however my point above was along slightly different lines. I might have read the first two posts as more cynical than the authors intended, but they made me think about how important the Voice remains, and how no other "voice" comes near it, after all these years. IMO if we lost the Voice for any reason, that would be a bigger long term loss to Charlton fans than Karlan Grant, even if I'm still spitting blood over his sale. Personally I was a bit sceptical that the resurrected Voice would be viable in the digital age but not for the first time, Airman proved me wrong. Then we had some voices noting that because print sales were decent, the publisher was 'making money' as if that were some kind of Bad Thing which showed that he wasn't Impartial. Often such people were the same who would try to sound "business-like", "wisely" remarking that money doesn't grow on trees and that as a self-made billionaire RD knows better than any of us how this business should be run too.
The `Voice' is aptly named. Now as in the late 80s it is a rallying point for those who are prepared to do more than just sit in the pub moaning (© Steve Dixon). If it's not there, there isn't another one. Nowadays some people are realising that its important that good journalism needs to be paid for. That's why I subscribe to both the New York Times and the Guardian's digital edition even though I hardly read either (the digital edition offers little that you can't get from the main Guardian website, but I can't bear to withdraw my financial support for it). Airman is a proper journalist and the Voice is written to certain best practice standards, so my point is, support the Voice, even if, like me, you only usually read half of it.
All that said, you of course make a good point about whether the next owner will be any better, but that takes us into a different issue, that not enough of us fans think about the changes in governance of football overall that are needed to stop people like Duchatelet behaving as he does. The Voice doesn't really get stuck into issues like that, but one person can't do everything. For these issues better to look to the Supporters Trust for leadership. And there is a similar problem, its surveys show that tackling football governance issues (along with other Trusts of course) is well down the list of members' priorities. What we need is to get a fans' Voice heard again in the boardroom, and it will be much more effective if that happens in all English clubs, and is not just dependent on the goodwill of whoever owns Charlton.
If some of the capers that had been pulled by previous regimes had been done under the glare of today's 24hr news, social media world the outrage meter would have been 10 fold times higher than it was back then.
Look forward as Always to reading VOTV when my friend post it to me this week.
Without VOTV life would not be the same.
Like it or not it does give an insight into charlton and the plight that this club has become with Roland.
It is actually made more possible by Duchatelet who has made the club less attractive and driven away many possible owners.
We saw at Portsmouth bad owner follow bad owner follow bad owner just because the club was such a mess that it became attractive to chancers and spivs.
But to be worse than Duchatelet would be extremely hard, certainly in the short term.
Regardless, Duchatelet is the clear and present threat to our club and has to go.
We lost a generation of fans that never came back.
The packed out valley when we got to the Premier were 10k neutrals out of 26k.
Bizarre way of looking back at a nightmare when we lost the Valley.
How doesn't that compare to now ?
Refer to my post of 9.12 this morning before asking any further questions.......please.
I think @PragueAddick and others get theirs that way.
Might speed it up if you can cut out the 'middle man.'
I'm not suggesting your Mum is a man for the avoidance of any doubt!