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Nick Pope to Arsenal

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  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,471
    edited February 2019
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,665
    JaShea99 said:
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.

    In my opinion that is rewriting history. Did he make mistakes - yes, regularly - no.

  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,837
    LargeAddick said:
    JaShea99 said:
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.

    In my opinion that is rewriting history. Did he make mistakes - yes, regularly - no.

    He had quite a long spell when Henderson first was injured when he let a number of shots through him- a spell in which we went several months without winning. 
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,471
    edited February 2019
    LargeAddick said:
    JaShea99 said:
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.

    In my opinion that is rewriting history. Did he make mistakes - yes, regularly - no.

    I respect your opinion but it did happen regularly and I know someone who trained with him at the time too and he said it also happened most days in training.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,385
    Pope could possibly retire as a multi-millionaire having played only around a hundred league games .. he's 26 and has a good ten years 'playing time' ahead of him.
    Best gig in pro sport .. a talented but not quite talented enough goalkeeper sitting on the sidelines, travelling all over with all expenses paid, getting well into his training but hardly ever taking the field .. well paid but  probably unfulfilling and rather boring with the best spectator seats in the stadium 
  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    JaShea99 said:
    LargeAddick said:
    JaShea99 said:
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.

    In my opinion that is rewriting history. Did he make mistakes - yes, regularly - no.

    I respect your opinion but it did happen regularly and I know someone who trained with him at the time too and he said it also happened most days in training.
    Which is probably why a 21 yo shouldnt be first choice keeper for a an expectant championship crowd. 

    They have to learn so much, mostly through mistakes as a keeper. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,488
    Bangkokaddick said:
    Pope was a decent keeper with us but had one major weakness: failure to hold the low hard shot. This problem seems to have been coached out of him and he's turned into an excellent keeper. Burnley don't need Heaton, Hart and Pope so one has to go. Good luck to him.
    That was his main weakness when he played for us but as you say seems to have got over this fault. Has reached a higher level than I expected.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,678
    edited February 2019
    I seem to remember a goalkeeper called Stuart Taylor at Arsenal for quite some time who never played.

    EDIT: 'Never' should read 'rarely' really.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,472
    JaShea99 said:
    He wasn’t good enough for most of time he was with us. Why do people on here look at players playing at a higher level since leaving us and conclude that everyone who wrote them off must have been wrong? Like it isn’t possible for players to develop after leaving us. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Nick Pope etc - these players clearly worked hard and improved after they left us, through better coaching or self-motivation but for whatever reason they progressed.

    Is Nick Pope a good goalkeeper now? Yes clearly. Am I happy for him? Absolutely. Do we need to rewrite history and pretend he wasn’t a liability when he was with us who regularly dropped crosses, fumbled shots and cost us points? No.
    I thought Pope showed potential and I wanted him to be our first choice in League 1 before he was sold. Saying that he’s done even better than I expected.

    He made mistakes but he also did enough to convince Burnley to buy him. It’s not as if they sent him on loan for a few years either, they helped him improve and when he got his chance he took it.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,850

    he used the same barbers as me in Welling (useless fact)


    decent keeper now and I'm pleased for him, however I'm very much in the camp that at the time he was nowhere near good enough for us (not his fault he was thrust into the limelight)


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  • cafc-4-life
    cafc-4-life Posts: 1,308
    Elthamaddick said:

    he used the same barbers as me in Welling (useless fact)


    decent keeper now and I'm pleased for him, however I'm very much in the camp that at the time he was nowhere near good enough for us (not his fault he was thrust into the limelight)

    Good old Tony!  ;)
  • JohnBoyUK
    JohnBoyUK Posts: 9,047
    edited February 2019
    LenGlover said:
    I seem to remember a goalkeeper called Stuart Taylor at Arsenal for quite some time who never played.

    EDIT: 'Never' should read 'rarely' really.
    Between 1997 and being released by Southampton at the end of last season at the age of 37, he played a total of 75 first team games.


  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,002
    Wonder how much Stuart Taylor got paid in that time?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,884
    Maybe its Joe Hart thats going to leave Burnley this summer

    Pope has surprisingly signed a new four year deal
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    He was mustard on Question of Sport last night.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,003
    Talking of bench warming keepers Lossl has signed for Everton, so will Hamer be first choice for Huddersfield next season?
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,765
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,188
    Great game today for Burnley against Arsenal.  Kept them in it for large parts of the game.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,003
    cafc-west said:
    Great game today for Burnley against Arsenal.  Kept them in it for large parts of the game.
    Heaton moving to Villa is a win win for both players really, as both clearly  should be the No 1 keeper

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