James we have to break the logjam somehow. It’s all very well Roland wanting £40-70m but he’s never going to get that - as I have said before I’d like £10m for my house but no one is going to pay me that- it’s about trying a different approach that satisfies his ego - maybe selling to a supporter led initiative would let him leave with some dignity for his “social experiment “
Might also serve to flush out RD's desired asking price for the Valley and Sparrows Lane!!
When we built the North Stand I put in £25k and got two 20 year season tickets - it wasn't the greatest financial pdeal for me but it helped the club at the time. It would only need 300 to do the same again to raise £7.5m and give them all the same deal again. Then we get a mortgage for the rest - simples
I've just told the wife were selling the home and downsizing
I'm in but the land and property would have to be sold at an independent valuation not RDs - I'd also want to see someone with deep pockets, a commitment to the club and fan involvement to take over the running of the club - proper trusts so that no one can diverge from defined principles aimed at the long term protection of the club - we also need to look at foreign ownership models such as in Germany and Spain ( and possibly now Portsmouth and Lincoln) that draw a much wider circle into the ownership of OUR club rather than the English sugar daddy/spiv model which really has failed Charlton and don't fit with the type of club that we are.
Health warning - You should know by now the style of my posts. My only defence is we all have our challenges in life. I gave up apologising for the way my mind works decades ago.
Dave - As you asked
I am a retired widower. I trained as a Mathematics Teacher with a secondary in Physical Education.
I spent 29yrs with a High Street Bank with 13years in Retail & Corporate banking in the West End, 3yrs in Bank Treasury in the City, 13yrs as a New Business Engineer in building and Managing International Payment Services. I then accepted an offer to move stateside as an SME and Business Development Executive to Major Technology Company in the Leisure industry. I enjoyed 10yrs in the USA.
To be clear I have no interest in creating any profile. My focus is to see whether there is anything we can all do together to help move the club forward from the current state of uncertainty.
My apologies to Razil for overlooking his 2015 proposition. Sometimes an idea needs events to bring it even greater relevance.
I recognise the peoples concerns. If I exercise my ageing little grey cells and go back to a Field Force Analysis of the proposition I could probably list 100 challenges flowing in the wrong direction.
Against those challenges there are three key business drivers - the will of those interested in driving change, the resources and the support they are able to garner to effect such change. Whether it will be enough is of course the challenge to be addressed
I quoted my personal commitment. It was not meant to exclude anyone who wishes to contribute to the goal in any other way. My calculation simply came from the fact of 50yrs of adult support at £1 a week. It seemed to be a fair sum to pay back for the value given to me and my dad dating to the 1930s.
No one should feel in anyway alienated by not participating in any efforts to move this forward. When I was bringing up my family and trying to develop my career I would have had neither the funds nor time to commit to such a process.
I suggest for us first and foremost there is a need to understand if there is a genuine appetite across ALL supporters of every persuasion current and lapsed to viably fund such an exercise.
I can but stress everyone is welcome to raise every possible challenge to such a project. Nothing is learned from running away from such challenges. It is only by challenging any proposal it can be refined and be proved or rejected. All naysayers are welcome.
If I may I have just one request. If this progresses can we please put aside any of the personal stuff. If nothing else after the divisions and acrimony of recent years this is an opportunity to bring people together.
At this point we have to recognise where we are.How we arrived here is a different matter. So evaluating this suggestion is not about the beneficial owner, his age, his nationality, his wealth or his personality. It would be about us.
We have argued for change. M.Duchatelet seemingly wants change. It is now a question of whether we can help facilitate such change while securing the best protection possible for the short, medium and long term future of the club.
It is not for me to address each concern on this thread. Supporters have their existing representative organisations. There will be those better positioned and better able to explore the feasibility of any opportunity. I have said I will try and help others structure the proposition and the framework which may help move this forward.
I think somehow we need to combine SM suggestions with Grapevines and come up with a way forward. I’m not certain if the trust etc can or would even want organise such a complex negotiation (I’m not a member therefore do not know there ability) but if a separate dedicated trust or team or similar was set up with the sole purpose of arranging this, then with the correct financial and legal people on board then I think a lot more people might come on board.
Certainly if backbiting etc could be eliminated and way forward to make it all inclusive, by say a share option of say £250 or less a share and you are allowed multiple shares then to me this seems a way forward. The hard part in my mind is getting the right people in place with the correct knowledge, and the fact that everyone would have to acknowledge that some of the share monies could be spent on say legal / financial advice, which might mean that you lose that money as the advice could be you got no chance negotiating with that idiot.
I have already said I would be in favour of an initiative such as this. Yes, there are undoubtedly obstacles to overcome but it feels like some form of positive action in addition to protests against RD's continued ownership are in order.
The financial pressure on clubs outside of the Premier League is increasing with wealthy investors apparently increasingly hard to find. Some kind of supporter funded invested in the club assets in the form of a trust is an avenue worth exploring.
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Health warning - You should know by now the style of my posts. My only defence is we all have our challenges in life. I gave up apologising for the way my mind works decades ago.
Dave - As you asked
I am a retired widower. I trained as a Mathematics Teacher with a secondary in Physical Education.
I spent 29yrs with a High Street Bank with 13years in Retail & Corporate banking in the West End, 3yrs in Bank Treasury in the City, 13yrs as a New Business Engineer in building and Managing International Payment Services. I then accepted an offer to move stateside as an SME and Business Development Executive to Major Technology Company in the Leisure industry. I enjoyed 10yrs in the USA.
To be clear I have no interest in creating any profile. My focus is to see whether there is anything we can all do together to help move the club forward from the current state of uncertainty.
My apologies to Razil for overlooking his 2015 proposition. Sometimes an idea needs events to bring it even greater relevance.
I recognise the peoples concerns. If I exercise my ageing little grey cells and go back to a Field Force Analysis of the proposition I could probably list 100 challenges flowing in the wrong direction.
Against those challenges there are three key business drivers - the will of those interested in driving change, the resources and the support they are able to garner to effect such change. Whether it will be enough is of course the challenge to be addressed
I quoted my personal commitment. It was not meant to exclude anyone who wishes to contribute to the goal in any other way. My calculation simply came from the fact of 50yrs of adult support at £1 a week. It seemed to be a fair sum to pay back for the value given to me and my dad dating to the 1930s.
No one should feel in anyway alienated by not participating in any efforts to move this forward. When I was bringing up my family and trying to develop my career I would have had neither the funds nor time to commit to such a process.
I suggest for us first and foremost there is a need to understand if there is a genuine appetite across ALL supporters of every persuasion current and lapsed to viably fund such an exercise.
I can but stress everyone is welcome to raise every possible challenge to such a project. Nothing is learned from running away from such challenges. It is only by challenging any proposal it can be refined and be proved or rejected. All naysayers are welcome.
If I may I have just one request. If this progresses can we please put aside any of the personal stuff. If nothing else after the divisions and acrimony of recent years this is an opportunity to bring people together.
At this point we have to recognise where we are. How we arrived here is a different matter. So evaluating this suggestion is not about the beneficial owner, his age, his nationality, his wealth or his personality. It would be about us.
We have argued for change. M.Duchatelet seemingly wants change. It is now a question of whether we can help facilitate such change while securing the best protection possible for the short, medium and long term future of the club.
It is not for me to address each concern on this thread. Supporters have their existing representative organisations. There will be those better positioned and better able to explore the feasibility of any opportunity. I have said I will try and help others structure the proposition and the framework which may help move this forward.
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Certainly if backbiting etc could be eliminated and way forward to make it all inclusive, by say a share option of say £250 or less a share and you are allowed multiple shares then to me this seems a way forward. The hard part in my mind is getting the right people in place with the correct knowledge, and the fact that everyone would have to acknowledge that some of the share monies could be spent on say legal / financial advice, which might mean that you lose that money as the advice could be you got no chance negotiating with that idiot.
The financial pressure on clubs outside of the Premier League is increasing with wealthy investors apparently increasingly hard to find. Some kind of supporter funded invested in the club assets in the form of a trust is an avenue worth exploring.