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Squad List - 30th May
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Oggy Red said:Cardinal Sin said:I understand Millwall have released Ben Amos. Would have him back in a flash.
But I do believe his Bolton contract is due to expire - so no doubt released from relegated Bolton,
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Cardinal Sin said:Oggy Red said:Cardinal Sin said:I understand Millwall have released Ben Amos. Would have him back in a flash.
But I do believe his Bolton contract is due to expire - so no doubt released from relegated Bolton,
if that's what you mean?
Compared to his year at Charlton, he had a poor season at Millwall - and perhaps his stock has fallen. I can't really see him being offered £16k pw anywhere - unless he ends up at a lower Prem club as one of their back up keepers.
He certainly won't get anywhere near that if he signed for Charlton.
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Oggy Red said:Cardinal Sin said:Oggy Red said:Cardinal Sin said:I understand Millwall have released Ben Amos. Would have him back in a flash.
But I do believe his Bolton contract is due to expire - so no doubt released from relegated Bolton,
if that's what you mean?
Compared to his year at Charlton, he had a poor season at Millwall - and perhaps his stock has fallen. I can't really see him being offered £16k pw anywhere - unless he ends up at a lower Prem club as one of their back up keepers.
He certainly won't get anywhere near that if he signed for Charlton.0 -
Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!0
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BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
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BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!0
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BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!0
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BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!0
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LenGlover said:JessieAddick said:Bowyer's own contract is still not sorted which I think will negatively affect these players' willingness to stay.
When Curbs decided to leave he still had one year left on his contract yet Murray didn't want him to see it out and Murray's reason (according to Curbs) was that they wouldn't be able to sign players who knew the manager would be leaving in a year's time. It doesn't seem a problem at all now? I reckon if asked about his own future by the players Bowyer would say he would stay but that certainly wouldn't be 100% guaranteed? It's nice that the club has offered these four players new contracts but we must sign Bowyer up ASAP - he probably has been offered a new deal too. I just wonder how is he going to persuade Aribo or Bauer to stay when he himself isn't certain to stay?
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blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh16 -
AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbhYeah I think i'd agree with you there. He doesn't like the fanbase but i'm not sure he is doing anything to be spiteful, it seems to me it's all about the money. He doesn't want to spend a penny and doesn't understand football. I'm sure he does hate the fans, but i don't think that would factor to into shitty decisions he makes.0 -
jacob_CAFC said:AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbhYeah I think i'd agree with you there. He doesn't like the fanbase but i'm not sure he is doing anything to be spiteful, it seems to me it's all about the money. He doesn't want to spend a penny and doesn't understand football. I'm sure he does hate the fans, but i don't think that would factor to into shitty decisions he makes.
The weird thing about Roland is that rather than cutting his losses and selling for a sensible price, he is instead incurring losses he will never get back while waiting for a higher price. Getting HIS price is an ego thing for him, as other than that he has no interest in the club, and will instead let the club plod along in a totally short term manner3 -
AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh3 -
AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh3 -
Covered End said:AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh
If he was Bowyer and Jackson would have been offered realistic contracts and we would not be in a position where half the team is out of contract.
Also he would have replaced Grant with a proper replacement in January.5 -
blackpool72 said:Covered End said:AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh
If he was Bowyer and Jackson would have been offered realistic contracts and we would not be in a position where half the team is out of contract.
Also he would have replaced Grant with a proper replacement in January.
What I meant by more reasonable, is that it is no longer a circus with a merry go round of inappropriate managers and players.
He is running the club with 2% of his time, plus LDT part time, who knows little about football.
In terms of players it's not half the team out of contract that is the issue. It's Aribo and possibly Bauer as well. Although Bauer said a year ago, he understandably wanted to play in The Championship and would not sign a new contract.
I didn't want Reeco, Reeves, Ajose, Vetokele et al to be offered new deals. But yes he should have allowed us a better option than Parker.0 -
blackpool72 said:Covered End said:AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh
If he was Bowyer and Jackson would have been offered realistic contracts and we would not be in a position where half the team is out of contract.
Also he would have replaced Grant with a proper replacement in January.
Of course, pigs may fly.
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he is running the club in a reasonable manner.
Sorry Steve, I think you mean 'reasonable for Roland' not reasonable as in the majority of football clubs.
He is still operating with no CFO, no CEO and no interest, thats not normal5 -
SE7toSG3 said:he is running the club in a reasonable manner.
Sorry Steve, I think you mean 'reasonable for Roland' not reasonable as in the majority of football clubs.
He is still operating with no CFO, no CEO and no interest, thats not normal2 - Sponsored links:
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AFKABartram said:blackpool72 said:BR7_addick said:Sounds utterly insane knowing Roland as we all do, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone connected with him or in fact himself has stopped and thought, we are one division away from making an absolute killing financially, the team and fans are currently on the biggest high of his tenure, fuck it let’s knock out as much as we can out within financial fair play rules on transfers and wages this summer and go for it, he’s gonna die rich anyway right?! Where’s the risk and reward backbone from the senile old scrotum!
Thats not someone who who hates us with a passion. A terrible useless owner, yes. But I don’t buy these operating with intentional malice insinuations tbh
Have been saying this for ages. People think it's personal and that he has a vendetta against the fans. Nonsense. Sure, he doesn't care about us and after some of the japes played on him and all the marvellous work from CARD and others he certainly has no love for us. But, he is a business man (obviously not a very good one when it comes to running a football club) so - like him- let's keep things on an impersonal basis.0 -
He simply has to "win" - that is the issue. He won't sell unless he can walk away believing he was right all along. It's why he wants his money back.3
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He is not running this club in a reasonable manner. He hasn’t from the moment he stepped in. The only reason we are in the position we are in (i.e Championship) is due to the work Bowyed, Jacko and Gallen have done. Putting together a team... something we can be proud of on the pitch.
He has not invested money into this club and he has not invested time into this club.
The money our academy has generated in recent years:
£3.5m for Gomez
£11m for Lookman
2.5m for Konsa
£1m for Grant
Money for Sarmiento
That has not been invested into the squad whatsoever and other than the training ground, it doesn’t look like it’s been invested into the club.
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Ok, as I said maybe reasonable was too strong. I meant more reasonable than the previous circus he was running 3 years ago. Nearly reasonable ?
He's ballsed most things up, but he has invested £65M, even if it is an interest bearing loan that he wants back.0 -
@AFKABartram is totally correct. I actually worry about the mental health of some posters.
The "club" doesn't have any money, none, ziltch. It it was personal, why didn't we flog BFG, Aribo etc in the summer, why did we sign Taylor? Why keep bowyer knowing he was popular?
If it was personal we would still have a no body Belgium manager, a team of trash.
Is Roland good for us, of course he isn't. Is he intrested in the long term success of us, no he isn't. If you think he is deliberately trying to damage us, I suggest you look at Orients recent history.
Most importantly he isn't prepared to put in any more than he feels he has to, which is still A LOT more than the minimum and probably more than half the owners of the 72.0 -
The best you can say about Duchatelet is that he isn’t actively ballsing things up with quite the regularity We had got used to. But still no executive management at the club, a negligent approach to key contracts, no real understanding of football and the fan engagement/PR skills of a pissed off viper. Under his ownership we are only ever one decision and one step away from chaos. Like, for example, if he fails to secure Lee Bowyer on at least a two year contract.5
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Davo55 said:The best you can say about Duchatelet is that he isn’t actively ballsing things up with quite the regularity We had got used to. But still no executive management at the club, a negligent approach to key contracts, no real understanding of football and the fan engagement/PR skills of a pissed off viper. Under his ownership we are only ever one decision and one step away from chaos. Like, for example, if he fails to secure Lee Bowyer on at least a two year contract.
Assume the Australians wanted to buy the club when Robinson was manager, they still want to buy it when Bowyer is manger. They don't want to buy it because either was manager. If I was going to chuck a load of money at a club, that I had no emotional attachment to, I would want to choose my own manager.
It's only been an issue since the club was "for sale". Slades original contract only ran out today ffs.0 -
Weegie Addick said:He simply has to "win" - that is the issue. He won't sell unless he can walk away believing he was right all along. It's why he wants his money back.1
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Weegie Addick said:He simply has to "win" - that is the issue. He won't sell unless he can walk away believing he was right all along. It's why he wants his money back.
Only when we get to the end of June, and if he hasn't tied Bowyer down to a new contract, will we know he has a different agenda which may include revenge or spite.
His actions or lack of action in the next few weeks may answer that question.
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An interesting discussion, with many valid points.
As a protester - both at The Valley and in Belgium - and a contributer to actions such as contacting sponsors, the FA, the EFL and the national media, I know we have got under his skin, and has reacted by calling us names such as vinegar pissers.
However, I have always felt his mismanagement of CAFC as a business has been entirely down to his incompetence and lack of understanding of what motivates his "customers", the fans, and has not - so far - been motivated by revenge.
I agree with @Weegie Addick that his exit strategy is governed by his ego - his need to be proved right in his original idea that football can be managed at a profit, and to be able to present himself to the other fish swimming in his small pond as a visionary genius.
At the outset it was reported that one reason for appointing KM as CEO was his belief that women kept a tighter rein on finances. Well, that may be true for competent women, but that is not a description anyone could apply to KM! At some point it appears he realised her management was losing him money hand over fist, and is now clearly intent on reversing that. Unfortunately, his ignorance of the football business, and the ways in which it differs frm selling electronic widgets, means he ends up being penny wise and pound foolish.
We can all see now is the optimum time to tie up a sale of the club, and that Bowyer & co. are a major asset of the business. Unfortunately, RD probably lacks the knowledge to appreciate this, and even if LdT has woken up & smelt the coffee, it is possible he lacks the balls to tell Roland what's what, for fear RD will shoot (as in fire) the messenger.
So where does this leave us, the fans?
At present there is little we can do, but if we reach 1 July with RD still the owner & contracts for Bowyer & co. still unresolved, I will be surprised if fan disquiet does not rise. If there appears to be a renewed taste for action - in England or in Belgium - there is then still time to plan protests for the new season.
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