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Roland this transfer window
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I just don’t understand why it feels like every time we sign a player we have to have a corresponding “yeah but...Roland this” debate to accompany it. Just enjoy the good aspects of the game.
At the end of the day we know he’s not going to be here long term so he is not to be taking on any long term commitments or a speculative approach, or build up further sizeable debts.
There’s definitely a risk we’ll suffer as a club as a result, so to come out of this window with 14 signings of the quality we’ve had, along with rejecting a decent bid for our star striker that seems to have been open to wanting the move, is surely beyond what the vast majority of us expected from this window?
Our squad is in place now. Can’t we just park the periphery stuff and get on with supporting the manager and players who’ve committed to us?
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I don’t know if RD deserves any credit and to be truthful I don’t care , I’m just enjoying the ride .4
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Too complacent.AFKABartram said:I just don’t understand why it feels like every time we sign a player we have to have a corresponding “yeah but...Roland this” debate to accompany it. Just enjoy the good aspects of the game.
At the end of the day we know he’s not going to be here long term so he is not to be taking on any long term commitments or a speculative approach, or build up further sizeable debts.
There’s definitely a risk we’ll suffer as a club as a result, so to come out of this window with 14 signings of the quality we’ve had, along with rejecting a decent bid for our star striker that seems to have been open to wanting the move, is surely beyond what the vast majority of us expected from this window?
Our squad is in place now. Can’t we just park the periphery stuff and get on with supporting the manager and players who’ve committed to us?
Yes we have done well, but repeating the trick in subsequent windows becomes harder and harder as clubs are not going to continually help us out. At the moment we are a bit attractive as clubs want their young players to play.
As our squad becomes more competitive, that aspect dilutes.
As we become established they will expect us to pay, like everyone else!
Of course we support the manager and the players. But the bigger picture is supporting the Club. Getting rid of Roland is THE best way of doing this.
The rest follows along. At the end of the day, our Club is more important than anything.11 -
As much as it’s hard to say RD does deserve some credit . He could have easily taken the Taylor money with no replacement but he didnt. Without Gallen and Bowyer I think he might be counting the cash but It’s been the best transfer window since Powell’s Promotion season . Having said that I want him gone ASAP2
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Make no mistake about it, if Roland and his mad experiments takes us all the way to the Premier League, he will hailed a genius and carried shoulder high through the streets of SE7.7
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Cockwomble? I thought he was a Wankpuffin?blackpool72 said:Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
My opinion of the cockwomble will never change.
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I’m pretty sure Roland thinks he’s kept the fans off his back for a few months.4
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2%Floebot said:How much credit can we give to Roland? Undoubtedly our best window in a long time.5 -
Roland's latest brilliant idea is to give his management team a budget, small though it is, and let that team get on with it. Now if he would have used that strategy when he first arrived he may not have created the perpetual shit storm that he, Daisy and Murray presided over. And yes he does deserve credit for turning down the Taylor offer but I can't help thinking there is more to that decision.2
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McGheehan and Woodrow on a bit more, but I believe the rest of em are on 4-5k.Airman Brown said:
Doubt they are signing players on £4k a week.EdgeleyAddick said:
Barnsley??? Richest owners in the league, but don't spend any money?Airman Brown said:
I think you can safely assume he hasn’t spent the extra £8m in revenue that Bowyer had delivered him - pre Dijksteel and Lookman.AFKABartram said:
The credit goes to everyone involved. None of us know who that is or what the budget implications are.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Fuck all apart from turning down the bids for Taylor.
The credit for signings goes to Gallen and Bowyer.
All we have to work on is Bowyer saying a few weeks ago we have the lowest budget in the league, which may be true or might not be true.
According to someone in a position to know, Charlton and Millwall are a long, long way behind every other club in the division in spending, which of course makes Bowyer and Gallen’s achievement all the greater.0 -
Can’t believe anyone is willing to give Roland even one iota of credit.7
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Five years + feels pretty long term in football speak to me already, @AFKABartram.
I think the difference is clear. Five + years ago we had a manager who knew Charlton through and through and was perfectly capable of building a competitive Championship squad, even given meagre financial backing. But new owner Roland couldn't resist a dabble listening to advice from his youth team of Meire and Driesen.
So he spouted millions up the wall and sacked Powell and caused relegation.
5+ years later totally by luck and absolutely no Roland judgment, we are back in a similar position. Praise be to Bowyer, Jacko, Gallen and the squad they have built while scrimping and scraping.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.4 -
So my admittedly jaundiced, subjective view is,
No credit whatsoever, turning down 4m is nothing to a man of his wealth, and every positive aspect we now see in our club,is to my mind, down to the fantastic management team he has stumbled upon.
His decision making remains erratic and entirely reactionary to criticisms/mood swings. He has zero interest in the progress of Charlton Athletic, other than its potential value and his main driving force seems to be a wealth flex or rant to prove those willing to question his genius wrong.
Still, every point we take, every signing we make, (singing that Police song now), someone who dislikes CARD more than the politics of the club will start a 'does Roland deserve credit post....' and watch us all bicker.
I despise Roland, but am determined to get back enjoying my football club in spite of him not because of him and anything I can do to encourage him to sell I will. I also believe that everyone else should do what they think is best for themselves.
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I am one of M. Duchatelets biggest critics.
There is one key role any executive has to fulfil and that is to empower his management. For the first time since January 2014 the football clubhouse has been empowered to do a job.
The skill and credit in using the empowerment belongs almost entirely to Gallen and Bowyer.
That they had to do so within the confines of the budget set by the beneficial owner meant the loss of Bauer, Aribo and Djiksteel, probably missing out on too many first choice free agents to mention and an overreliance on the loan market.
The structure is still wrong. Including the loan players 13 of the senior squad will need to be replaced - resigned at the end of the season.
The revolving door continues to spin. Full professional contracts under this regime (Jan 2014) now total 195.
The tragedy is with greater foresight and increased empowerment of the clubhouse expertise he will likely have with a little investment secured better performance and investment returns on Konsa, Grant, Djiksteel, Aribo and probably Taylor going forward.
The man has cost the club and his investment company a very great deal of money.
I give him credit for enabling the squad we have today to be constructed.
Sadly I consider it could and should have been so much better.
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More fool them then......Airman Brown said:
Doubt they are signing players on £4k a week.EdgeleyAddick said:
Barnsley??? Richest owners in the league, but don't spend any money?Airman Brown said:
I think you can safely assume he hasn’t spent the extra £8m in revenue that Bowyer had delivered him - pre Dijksteel and Lookman.AFKABartram said:
The credit goes to everyone involved. None of us know who that is or what the budget implications are.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Fuck all apart from turning down the bids for Taylor.
The credit for signings goes to Gallen and Bowyer.
All we have to work on is Bowyer saying a few weeks ago we have the lowest budget in the league, which may be true or might not be true.
According to someone in a position to know, Charlton and Millwall are a long, long way behind every other club in the division in spending, which of course makes Bowyer and Gallen’s achievement all the greater.0 -
That rather depends on relative outcomes.Cafc43v3r said:
More fool them then......Airman Brown said:
Doubt they are signing players on £4k a week.EdgeleyAddick said:
Barnsley??? Richest owners in the league, but don't spend any money?Airman Brown said:
I think you can safely assume he hasn’t spent the extra £8m in revenue that Bowyer had delivered him - pre Dijksteel and Lookman.AFKABartram said:
The credit goes to everyone involved. None of us know who that is or what the budget implications are.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Fuck all apart from turning down the bids for Taylor.
The credit for signings goes to Gallen and Bowyer.
All we have to work on is Bowyer saying a few weeks ago we have the lowest budget in the league, which may be true or might not be true.
According to someone in a position to know, Charlton and Millwall are a long, long way behind every other club in the division in spending, which of course makes Bowyer and Gallen’s achievement all the greater.1 -
If LT could be persuaded to sign a new deal, I'd like CARD to call a truce.4
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That would require Roland to break his wage structure though?harveys_gardener said:If LT could be persuaded to sign a new deal, I'd like CARD to call a truce.0 -
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One half decent window doesn’t mean he should be in anyway considered good for the club. We are always round the corner from a disaster with him. Getting Taylor to sign a new deal would be unreal though.harveys_gardener said:If LT could be persuaded to sign a new deal, I'd like CARD to call a truce.0 -
Think that's a little rewriting of history there, the decision to sack Powell was probably the right one.Weegie Addick said:Five years + feels pretty long term in football speak to me already, @AFKABartram.
I think the difference is clear. Five + years ago we had a manager who knew Charlton through and through and was perfectly capable of building a competitive Championship squad, even given meagre financial backing. But new owner Roland couldn't resist a dabble listening to advice from his youth team of Meire and Driesen.
So he spouted millions up the wall and sacked Powell and caused relegation.
5+ years later totally by luck and absolutely no Roland judgment, we are back in a similar position. Praise be to Bowyer, Jacko, Gallen and the squad they have built while scrimping and scraping.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
I can't quite believe it, but we are probably better off (purely on the pitch) than when he took over. Having 5 players on loan does help the quality though and continually doing that only gets more difficult.2 -
So we can agree then that its taken the richest owner in the history of our club, by some way, over 5 years of turmoil to reach 'probably better than when he took over' yippeee (aye ohh)7
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But we are where we are. Even idiots (savants) can learn from their mistakes.1
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Bowyer's new contract, other shit he's posted on the site etc. He hasn't learnt from his mistakes and never will, he's just got lucky with Bowyer & Co and has backed off a little bit.harveys_gardener said:But we are where we are. Even idiots (savants) can learn from their mistakes.1 -
I never said it was worth it!SE7toSG3 said:So we can agree then that its taken the richest owner in the history of our club, by some way, over 5 years of turmoil to reach 'probably better than when he took over' yippeee (aye ohh)1 -
Have to say, it’s been a brilliant window for us. All credit goes to Gallen and Bowyer. What worries me is the next window when sure as eggs are eggs, if Lyle has got say 10-15 goals in the bag, he’ll be off for a big fee as I can’t see him signing a new contract with us. Also think we’ll lose Josh Cullen to a bigger club.2
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Once Kayal is fit, Cullen will be on bench anyway. And Field still to come.4
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It must surely be obvious that, as well as Bowyer has done, the foundations are built on sand. Even Bowyer being successful increases the likelihood that he will be headhunted sooner rather than later.harveys_gardener said:But we are where we are. Even idiots (savants) can learn from their mistakes.
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I don't think he does anything that he doesn't believe will benefit him directly.0
