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The Boy in the photograph

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  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,602
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Surely as a Charlton museum it’s their raison d’etre?

    Twat.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    I find threads like this proper Charlton. Can't wait to see how Bob gets on down Eastbourne
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    I find threads like this proper Charlton. Can't wait to see how Bob gets on down Eastbourne
    Well said. I have really enjoyed following this thread so far.  Well done Henry.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    DaveMehmet said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Surely as a Charlton museum it’s their raison d’etre?

    Twat.
    Indeed. What is actually wrong with promoting our Charlton museum? Where's the downside?

  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Major said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Surely as a Charlton museum it’s their raison d’etre?

    Twat.
    Indeed. What is actually wrong with promoting our Charlton museum? Where's the downside?

    Henners might get a promote, and that ain't project fear, that is a very real possibility

    ;)
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,799
    Addickted said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Sorting through your family photos, @Addickted?
    It is embarrassing when you recall some of them




    But to Henry's credit you can see he's just about to give her the elbow.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,799
    Henry Irving said:
    DoctorCharlton said:
    Just me, or is Katrien a bit of a milf? 
    All a matter of taste but she was about 29 then and not a parent.


    OK then, a bit of an ILF.

    To be fair, I always found her very personable to talk with.  Just a shame she was so completely useless at her job.
  • captainbob
    captainbob Posts: 944
    I'm on my way to the house of the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman. Will be there in 10 mins. May have confirmation in time for the 6 o'clock news.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    On tenterhooks
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Henry Irving said:
    On tenterhooks
    Kinky.

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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
  • captainbob
    captainbob Posts: 944
    And the news is...
    ...the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is not the boy in the photograph. Sadly, also, the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is no longer alive. He died a few years ago and was a Second World War veteran. The current owner of the house was interested in the story, more interested than iainment is.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    Thanks for investigating @captainbob nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    RIP to that Arthur Cheeseman.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    edited October 2019
    LenGlover said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
    I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance 


  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Henry Irving said:
    On tenterhooks
    I was gonna say that, but weren't sure if it was tender hooks or tenterhooks
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,483
    DOUCHER said:
    LenGlover said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
    I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance 


    Piss off sunshine.....you think wrong.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Top sleuthing, eliminates one possibility, narrows the search.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    SoundAsa£ said:
    DOUCHER said:
    LenGlover said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
    I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance 


    Piss off sunshine.....you think wrong.
    a good proportion who do care probably post on here but i doubt you could get more than 50 to say they do - tin hat time...
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,015
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    DOUCHER said:
    LenGlover said:
    iainment said:
    Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested.
    But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
    Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
    I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance 


    Piss off sunshine.....you think wrong.
    a good proportion who do care probably post on here but i doubt you could get more than 50 to say they do - tin hat time...
    I’m interested ... it’s part of our history so why not?
  • SheffieldRed
    SheffieldRed Posts: 3,772

    Perhaps the museum should hire someone to solve the mystery. 

    Is Mrs Rooney available?

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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 2019
    I make no claims to be in Mrs Rooney's league!

    However, assuming that we are 100% sure the boy in the 1947 FA Cup photo was called Arthur Cheeseman, I have found an Arthur R Cheeseman, birth registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1934,mothers maiden name Clark. This Arthur would have been 12 in 1947 so could potentially be the boy in question.

    I have found a potential marriage for this Arthur, registered in the December quarter of 1954 in Dartford, to a Norah J Bloomfield but cannot trace any offspring of this marriage. Nevertheless I believe I have also found an elder brother, John H Cheeseman, whose birth was registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1931. I believe John H Cheeseman had a marriage registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1960 to an Ivy Reid.

    The birth of a Robert Cheeseman, mother's maiden name Reid, was registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1963. Robert would be Arthur's nephew. There are also two possible daughters, nieces for Arthur, sisters for Robert. Susan, birth registered Bexley June quarter 1965 and Pauline birth registered Bexley in the March quarter of 1967.

    No idea if any of this is any use or help whatsoever but here it is anyway for better or worse. 

    EDIT: I believe Arthur has other siblings if any of this is of interest or help.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited October 2019
    Quality work Len.

  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Who's Clark?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 2019
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Who's Clark?
    The maiden name of Arthur's mother was Clark.

    Pure speculation and probably way off beam but there was a long serving director called Clark whom I believe was involved with the builders when The Valley was developed.

    Clark is an extremely common name but IF there was some link between Arthur's mother and the director it could account for how Arthur found himself on the pitch.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,483
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Who's Clark?
    A bloke from Kent I think.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,799
    @LenGlover, that's impressive work.  Now all you need to do is hack BT, get their 'phone numbers, and call them, totally out of the blue, and ask about their family history.
  • WelshValley
    WelshValley Posts: 48
    I don’t know why, but I am finding this thread really compelling. I really hope the mystery is solved.  Keep going guys. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    LenGlover said:
    I make no claims to be in Mrs Rooney's league!

    However, assuming that we are 100% sure the boy in the 1947 FA Cup photo was called Arthur Cheeseman, I have found an Arthur R Cheeseman, birth registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1934,mothers maiden name Clark. This Arthur would have been 12 in 1947 so could potentially be the boy in question.

    I have found a potential marriage for this Arthur, registered in the December quarter of 1954 in Dartford, to a Norah J Bloomfield but cannot trace any offspring of this marriage. Nevertheless I believe I have also found an elder brother, John H Cheeseman, whose birth was registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1931. I believe John H Cheeseman had a marriage registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1960 to an Ivy Reid.

    The birth of a Robert Cheeseman, mother's maiden name Reid, was registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1963. Robert would be Arthur's nephew. There are also two possible daughters, nieces for Arthur, sisters for Robert. Susan, birth registered Bexley June quarter 1965 and Pauline birth registered Bexley in the March quarter of 1967.

    No idea if any of this is any use or help whatsoever but here it is anyway for better or worse. 

    EDIT: I believe Arthur has other siblings if any of this is of interest or help.
    My understanding is that the family was very much from Charlton, rather than Dartford but it is a possibility.  Thanks @LenGlover for the leg work.

    The other Arthur that has been found was born and married in Greenwich but it may not be him either.  Hopefully, well get a reply soon either way.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,830
    Interesting thread. 

    Two things:

    Do you just have the lady’s word it was this person? Have you had that said by anyone else?

    Are you sure on the spelling? I know a family of Cheesman’s local to the area, so seems there are a few Cheeseman / Cheesman / Chiesman variations
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    SoundAsa£ said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Who's Clark?
    A bloke from Kent I think.



    Oh I know, he's super, man

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