And the news is... ...the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is not the boy in the photograph. Sadly, also, the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is no longer alive. He died a few years ago and was a Second World War veteran. The current owner of the house was interested in the story, more interested than iainment is.
Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested. But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance
Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested. But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance
Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested. But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance
Piss off sunshine.....you think wrong.
a good proportion who do care probably post on here but i doubt you could get more than 50 to say they do - tin hat time...
Apart from the boy and his descendants I struggle to see why anyone else is interested. But good promotion of the museum from scraps I suppose.
Your opinion and of course you are entitled to it but I think you are very wrong.
I think there are very few people who give a shit about who that boy is but admittedly it didn’t need to be said - I think the museum is a great thing however and will definitely visit it one day when I get a chance
Piss off sunshine.....you think wrong.
a good proportion who do care probably post on here but i doubt you could get more than 50 to say they do - tin hat time...
I’m interested ... it’s part of our history so why not?
However, assuming that we are 100% sure the boy in the 1947 FA Cup photo was called Arthur Cheeseman, I have found an Arthur R Cheeseman, birth registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1934,mothers maiden name Clark. This Arthur would have been 12 in 1947 so could potentially be the boy in question.
I have found a potential marriage for this Arthur, registered in the December quarter of 1954 in Dartford, to a Norah J Bloomfield but cannot trace any offspring of this marriage. Nevertheless I believe I have also found an elder brother, John H Cheeseman, whose birth was registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1931. I believe John H Cheeseman had a marriage registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1960 to an Ivy Reid.
The birth of a Robert Cheeseman, mother's maiden name Reid, was registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1963. Robert would be Arthur's nephew. There are also two possible daughters, nieces for Arthur, sisters for Robert. Susan, birth registered Bexley June quarter 1965 and Pauline birth registered Bexley in the March quarter of 1967.
No idea if any of this is any use or help whatsoever but here it is anyway for better or worse.
EDIT: I believe Arthur has other siblings if any of this is of interest or help.
Pure speculation and probably way off beam but there was a long serving director called Clark whom I believe was involved with the builders when The Valley was developed.
Clark is an extremely common name but IF there was some link between Arthur's mother and the director it could account for how Arthur found himself on the pitch.
@LenGlover, that's impressive work. Now all you need to do is hack BT, get their 'phone numbers, and call them, totally out of the blue, and ask about their family history.
However, assuming that we are 100% sure the boy in the 1947 FA Cup photo was called Arthur Cheeseman, I have found an Arthur R Cheeseman, birth registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1934,mothers maiden name Clark. This Arthur would have been 12 in 1947 so could potentially be the boy in question.
I have found a potential marriage for this Arthur, registered in the December quarter of 1954 in Dartford, to a Norah J Bloomfield but cannot trace any offspring of this marriage. Nevertheless I believe I have also found an elder brother, John H Cheeseman, whose birth was registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1931. I believe John H Cheeseman had a marriage registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1960 to an Ivy Reid.
The birth of a Robert Cheeseman, mother's maiden name Reid, was registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1963. Robert would be Arthur's nephew. There are also two possible daughters, nieces for Arthur, sisters for Robert. Susan, birth registered Bexley June quarter 1965 and Pauline birth registered Bexley in the March quarter of 1967.
No idea if any of this is any use or help whatsoever but here it is anyway for better or worse.
EDIT: I believe Arthur has other siblings if any of this is of interest or help.
My understanding is that the family was very much from Charlton, rather than Dartford but it is a possibility. Thanks @LenGlover for the leg work.
The other Arthur that has been found was born and married in Greenwich but it may not be him either. Hopefully, well get a reply soon either way.
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Twat.
To be fair, I always found her very personable to talk with. Just a shame she was so completely useless at her job.
...the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is not the boy in the photograph. Sadly, also, the Eastbourne Arthur Cheeseman is no longer alive. He died a few years ago and was a Second World War veteran. The current owner of the house was interested in the story, more interested than iainment is.
RIP to that Arthur Cheeseman.
Perhaps the museum should hire someone to solve the mystery.
However, assuming that we are 100% sure the boy in the 1947 FA Cup photo was called Arthur Cheeseman, I have found an Arthur R Cheeseman, birth registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1934,mothers maiden name Clark. This Arthur would have been 12 in 1947 so could potentially be the boy in question.
I have found a potential marriage for this Arthur, registered in the December quarter of 1954 in Dartford, to a Norah J Bloomfield but cannot trace any offspring of this marriage. Nevertheless I believe I have also found an elder brother, John H Cheeseman, whose birth was registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1931. I believe John H Cheeseman had a marriage registered in Dartford in the March quarter of 1960 to an Ivy Reid.
The birth of a Robert Cheeseman, mother's maiden name Reid, was registered in Dartford in the December quarter of 1963. Robert would be Arthur's nephew. There are also two possible daughters, nieces for Arthur, sisters for Robert. Susan, birth registered Bexley June quarter 1965 and Pauline birth registered Bexley in the March quarter of 1967.
No idea if any of this is any use or help whatsoever but here it is anyway for better or worse.
EDIT: I believe Arthur has other siblings if any of this is of interest or help.
Pure speculation and probably way off beam but there was a long serving director called Clark whom I believe was involved with the builders when The Valley was developed.
Clark is an extremely common name but IF there was some link between Arthur's mother and the director it could account for how Arthur found himself on the pitch.
The other Arthur that has been found was born and married in Greenwich but it may not be him either. Hopefully, well get a reply soon either way.
Two things:
Do you just have the lady’s word it was this person? Have you had that said by anyone else?
Are you sure on the spelling? I know a family of Cheesman’s local to the area, so seems there are a few Cheeseman / Cheesman / Chiesman variations
Oh I know, he's super, man