I suggest you look at the on line reviews. Narrow down your choice based on usual factors ie 4 doors,size of boot etc then choose the one with the biggest and most efficient battery. Factor in installing a charger at home, if you can. Not essential but brilliantly convenient. Not convinced by hybriids myself.
Is cars being more rapid a good thing? Might be good for undertakers.
EVs have the same speed limits as other cars
I think you are confusing top speed with acceleration. Most ICE cars have a much higher top speed than the electric equivalents. But 0-60 acceleration in an electric car is bonkers.
At the end of December took a 3 year lease on a E power Nissan Qashqai, It is a mild hybrid, so an 'introduction' to electric vehicles. I got it for the same price on a lease for 3 years as my Merc GLA. I do about 8-10,000 miles a year. What with servicing and Insurance the Merc was not going to get any cheaper, even with a £30 a month off. I live in an end of terrace house with no driveway, so charging is an issue, let alone the distance. Still not convinced that the battery in either guarantee, or distance is there yet, I would want it to be 400 miles, with a 10 year manufacturers warranty, and in my price range that seems unaffordable. Nissan have also withdrawn their local garage KAP, so will have to go to Ashford for a service, issues?. It is the same dealer who has a branch at Dartford and Maidstone so no big deal.
I fully expect both the price and reliability to improve in three years time, but will try and pick up a mini, as we hope to be moving back to the outskirts of Bexley. If In can put in a charging point, we shall see?
Have to keep an eye on the Ulez situation. We have a Fiesta eco boost, and unlike another poster on here have found it a great little second car, cheap on Insurance and fuel, and parts are at present pretty cheap. We will be going back to one car later this year, so will be selling it. Had about 5 previous Fiesta's, and was sad when they no longer produced it.
Insurance prices seem to have rocketed, despite having 2: 20 year NCB's, and anyway would be taking the train to London, and the locals bus as it's free, and frankly less hassle.
Depending on the year those ecoboost engines are doomed to fail. The wall thickness between the coolant lines and the cylinder wall is insufficient and the block cracks. The engines were redesigned in 2017 to fix the issue.
Of course most of my journeys like most people are local so no big deal if I decided to get an EV. However I’m based in West Yorkshire so for family and other reasons I return to SE London on a reasonably regular basis. If my EV gave me 200 miles it wouldn’t get me there. Another full charge wouldn’t get me home. Might sound a bit daft but that alone puts me in two minds.
I did a road trip in a Renault Zoe at Christmas 2022, went from south London to Manchester and then Liverpool and then back. The range of those is only about 170 at motorway speeds and in the cold. Never had an issue with a stop off at a service station for a quick break, grab a coffee, came back and I'd enough charge to get me to through the next leg. I've got a bigger EV now with a much longer range so it would be even easier, I think Tesla's charge from about 20% to 80% in around 30 minutes using on of their superchargers, depending on the model that's around 180 miles in the time it takes to stop off for a quick break and a drink.
Obviously really long distances for EVs at the moment are a slight issue as it will add some time to a journey but if you're traveling the length of the country you're probably stopping for a break anyway so the additional time then is minimal.
Not to detract from the excellent information in your post but I never stop for a coffee or a break when driving Leeds to London. Having to do so would really irritate me. Also when I get to London on my regular visits to visit my father in law I couldn’t charge my EV at his house. Having to drive to somewhere and spend the time doing so would also irritate me. Sounds like I’m just creating problems where there are none but at this point an EV is not for me.
It definitely does cause a hassle if you wouldn't ordinarily stop as it does add a fair bit of journey time on. You would be able to charge at the house as they can be charged with a standard 3 point plug but it depends how long you stay for. They charge slowly and wouldn't do much damage if you were only there a few hours
Fewer people driving long-distances in one hit, tired, would be a good thing
The journey time for me from Leeds to London is under four hours. I certainly don’t need to stop because I’m tired. In fact stopping for forty five minutes would make little difference to my level of tiredness if I was stupid enough to drive in that condition.
The Highway Code recommends a "minimum break of at least 15 minutes after every two hours of driving". Drivers having to stop to recharge their car, as well as themselves, is a good thing.
I don’t know many people that would follow that advice. Basically it’s bollocks, that why. I bet there is not a single poster on this thread that does.
You'd lose that bet
You then ?
And me. Surprised at your stance on this, SHG. On the other hand, it only needs 10-15 mins for the loo, and at our age, mate, some stretching exercises. Try it, you’ll notice the difference. Where I am with you is that 40 mins or more, even assuming you get straight to a free spot, is too long. That’s why I have a new PHEV, not an EV. Oh and another reason is, if I need a re-charge, it’s usually in Germany where the charging points usually operate on some completely impenetrable system only known to locals. When I give up in bafflement, or because the debit card couldn’t connect to the payment system due to their ropey internet, I thank the heavens I have a PHEV. Anyone got any experience with charging in Germany? I must be doing something wrong.
Depending on the year those ecoboost engines are doomed to fail. The wall thickness between the coolant lines and the cylinder wall is insufficient and the block cracks. The engines were redesigned in 2017 to fix the issue.
I think the redesign was 2019, not 2017? Either way, they still have a wet Cambelt so the cambelt issue continues to be an issue.
Re electric cars, I still think the technology needs to progress before I jump in. I’d also need to dig up the front garden so that I don’t have to park on the street and able to charge at home.
Annual Road Tax will be applied to EV's from April according to BBC lunch time news. No details how much it will be. Also London Conngeston charge will be applied in 2026.
Re electric cars, I still think the technology needs to progress before I jump in. I’d also need to dig up the front garden so that I don’t have to park on the street and able to charge at home.
Seeing as heavier cars damage roads I think this is fair. I think if we warp forwards twenty years, there will be hydrogen cars, bio petrol cars and electric cars. I am a logical sort of guy and there is no logic from what I can see for electric cars to be so big. The cost of producing one of these enviromentally can't be better than people keeping their petrol cars longer. Well if it can, nobody seems to be trying to explain it.
Also I see Elon Musk, electric car producer is supporting Trump, climate change denier in the US elections. I also recall being told to get a diesel and finding out the contaminants the engines produced were knowingly fiddled by comapnies that are now producing electric cars. My position will change when I can trust what I am being told.
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
Had my first EV for about three months now, and very happy with it, charge once a week with the help of our solar panels, range hasn't been a problem although I do less than 300 miles a week.
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
I'm sure I remember you writing a similar list denouncing the early ICE vehicles and in favour of keeping your horse and cart. Am I correct ?
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
I'm sure I remember you writing a similar list denouncing the early ICE vehicles and in favour of keeping your horse and cart. Am I correct ?
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
This is as laughable as the comments earlier in the thread about cyclists being a menace and requiring compulsory third party insurance
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
At last, an objective, well-balanced perspective with no noticeable bias.
As a fire-fighter they terrify me. There are cleaner alternatives out there as well. Lithium batteries are like carrying a phosphorus bomb around in your pocket one fault and they ignite and eventually go off like a flame thrower, so strapping a few hundred to the bottom of your car is insanity. Nobody not even the car manufacturers can tell you the best way to put out one of the batteries when on fire. They burn under water and can reignite up to a few days after initially going out. Having attended a Tesla alight a few years ago, thermal runaway and safety precautions should be included in the owners manual. Also charging points should be only in the open air and a good distance from any other property, the fact they are charged overnight adjacent to houses people are sleeping in is crazy.
As a fire-fighter they terrify me. There are cleaner alternatives out there as well. Lithium batteries are like carrying a phosphorus bomb around in your pocket one fault and they ignite and eventually go off like a flame thrower, so strapping a few hundred to the bottom of your car is insanity. Nobody not even the car manufacturers can tell you the best way to put out one of the batteries when on fire. They burn under water and can reignite up to a few days after initially going out. Having attended a Tesla alight a few years ago, thermal runaway and safety precautions should be included in the owners manual. Also charging points should be only in the open air and a good distance from any other property, the fact they are charged overnight adjacent to houses people are sleeping in is crazy.
Had an EV for 3.5 years, Hyundai Kona, 170 mile distance. We are a 1 car family. Sent it back to lease company this week and bought a hybrid. Reasons are 1. the infra in this country is woeful. 10s of occasions left short due to not working / full charging units 2. As a single car family, 170 miles not enough. 4/5 times a year long journey is painful and slow. 1 hour stop to charge to get to east Devon (for instance) 3. It’s just too stressful planning due to both of above points. Driving should be fun(ish) not a war of attrition with charger suppliers.
As a fire-fighter they terrify me. There are cleaner alternatives out there as well. Lithium batteries are like carrying a phosphorus bomb around in your pocket one fault and they ignite and eventually go off like a flame thrower, so strapping a few hundred to the bottom of your car is insanity. Nobody not even the car manufacturers can tell you the best way to put out one of the batteries when on fire. They burn under water and can reignite up to a few days after initially going out. Having attended a Tesla alight a few years ago, thermal runaway and safety precautions should be included in the owners manual. Also charging points should be only in the open air and a good distance from any other property, the fact they are charged overnight adjacent to houses people are sleeping in is crazy.
Whilst that is statistically sound, give it 15 years or so until we have cheap EVs that have been badly maintained on our roads (if any last that long). It isn't the probability of fire, it is the actual fire that is the problem, far more destructive and as yer nobody has worked out how to put them out. In some parts of Europe they submerge them in shipping containers, but Tesla say this might lead to an explosion. EV motor sport simply leave them surrounded by large concrete blocks to burnout, not returning to move them for a few days.
Had an EV for 3.5 years, Hyundai Kona, 170 mile distance. We are a 1 car family. Sent it back to lease company this week and bought a hybrid. Reasons are 1. the infra in this country is woeful. 10s of occasions left short due to not working / full charging units 2. As a single car family, 170 miles not enough. 4/5 times a year long journey is painful and slow. 1 hour stop to charge to get to east Devon (for instance) 3. It’s just too stressful planning due to both of above points. Driving should be fun(ish) not a war of attrition with charger suppliers.
These were the reasons I decided I wouldn’t be buying an EV, about 5 years ago (until these matters are addressed).
Had an EV for 3.5 years, Hyundai Kona, 170 mile distance. We are a 1 car family. Sent it back to lease company this week and bought a hybrid. Reasons are 1. the infra in this country is woeful. 10s of occasions left short due to not working / full charging units 2. As a single car family, 170 miles not enough. 4/5 times a year long journey is painful and slow. 1 hour stop to charge to get to east Devon (for instance) 3. It’s just too stressful planning due to both of above points. Driving should be fun(ish) not a war of attrition with charger suppliers.
These were the reasons I decided I wouldn’t be buying an EV, about 5 years ago (until these matters are addressed).
It’s a shame they have not been addressed in 5 years, but my anecdotal evidence is that it is getting worse. More EVs, nowhere near enough new 50Kwh+ chargers to cope.
If I had the need for 2 cars, would be ok as a 2nd local runner.
As a fire-fighter they terrify me. There are cleaner alternatives out there as well. Lithium batteries are like carrying a phosphorus bomb around in your pocket one fault and they ignite and eventually go off like a flame thrower, so strapping a few hundred to the bottom of your car is insanity. Nobody not even the car manufacturers can tell you the best way to put out one of the batteries when on fire. They burn under water and can reignite up to a few days after initially going out. Having attended a Tesla alight a few years ago, thermal runaway and safety precautions should be included in the owners manual. Also charging points should be only in the open air and a good distance from any other property, the fact they are charged overnight adjacent to houses people are sleeping in is crazy.
How does charging an ev near a house compare in safety to using a deep far drier ?
As a fire-fighter they terrify me. There are cleaner alternatives out there as well. Lithium batteries are like carrying a phosphorus bomb around in your pocket one fault and they ignite and eventually go off like a flame thrower, so strapping a few hundred to the bottom of your car is insanity. Nobody not even the car manufacturers can tell you the best way to put out one of the batteries when on fire. They burn under water and can reignite up to a few days after initially going out. Having attended a Tesla alight a few years ago, thermal runaway and safety precautions should be included in the owners manual. Also charging points should be only in the open air and a good distance from any other property, the fact they are charged overnight adjacent to houses people are sleeping in is crazy.
How does charging an ev near a house compare in safety to using a deep far drier ?
To be honest in 31 years I have been to one chip pan fryer alight and two EV cars alight. In the same time about 60 petrol/diesel cars, but about 75% of those were torched. My comment about the charging was about it happening, whilst people are asleep, nobody uses a fryer whilst asleep. Plus we are trained how to put those out, in fact it is a simple process.
For 1) cheap to run Against 1) battery life about 8 years 2) batteries expensive to replace 3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades 4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries 5) the extra weight is destroying our roads 6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects 7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs 8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables. 9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises 10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle. 11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. 12) Elon Musk & Tesla 13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway 14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle 15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
I'm sure I remember you writing a similar list denouncing the early ICE vehicles and in favour of keeping your horse and cart. Am I correct ?
Never written about sleighs, Santa, toboggans, snowmobiles, bobsleighs, luges or skeleton.
Even if I put aside my gripes about the weight of them, the range, lack of charging and time taken to charge, knowing that the powers that be will jack the price of charging right up and my genuine concern over the longevity of them. Ive driven a few now including some vehicles at work and I cant question things like the acceleration or the handling, for the vans. I dont like the synthetic noise and lack of cylinders
What I really don't like is the access to freedom is the same for me with a big, German saloon is the same as some dude in Bangalore with a rickshaw/tuk-tuk. Thats soon to stop. Because of the speed of technology development and legit range anxiety with EVs the used market is dead for them. Not to mention the fear of something going badly wrong with them or more specifically the batteries. I'm a lapsed petrol-head and the lack of 90s hot hatches or vehicles from that time makes me sad, what makes it worse is they won't be coming back. ⁸888
Fair play to anyone who is strapped up with one, has one leased through work or whatever. I don't think I'm ready for that much debt in a very much still developing technology where the start prices are so high
Although I'm very much doing what I can to reduce my carbon footprint, having read all about concerns with EV's on here and elsewhere, I'd rather not switch to one until satisfied with their affordability, safety, reliability and longevity. I'm not nearing car replacement time anyway at the moment, but if I was exchanging tomorrow, I'd be looking for a *small, second hand petrol one averaging more than 50mpg.
* Edit - which would effectively be a like for like replacement.
Mate of mine is an EV geek. He attends every UK EV show for every day they’re on. Even he has talked about the lack of infrastructure, but did say battery technology is advancing fast. soon be able to get greater distances and make fewer charges. Loves his Tesla if a self confessed EV geek sees the drawbacks, then I’ll wait until it makes sense to switch.
Re electric cars, I still think the technology needs to progress before I jump in. I’d also need to dig up the front garden so that I don’t have to park on the street and able to charge at home.
Seeing as heavier cars damage roads I think this is fair. I think if we warp forwards twenty years, there will be hydrogen cars, bio petrol cars and electric cars. I am a logical sort of guy and there is no logic from what I can see for electric cars to be so big. The cost of producing one of these enviromentally can't be better than people keeping their petrol cars longer. Well if it can, nobody seems to be trying to explain it.
Also I see Elon Musk, electric car producer is supporting Trump, climate change denier in the US elections. I also recall being told to get a diesel and finding out the contaminants the engines produced were knowingly fiddled by comapnies that are now producing electric cars. My position will change when I can trust what I am being told.
Bigger batteries need a bigger car to put them in. People want range, ergo bigger batteries are needed.
Of course EVs are not fully developed, yet, but that will only come in time via relatively early adopters like me. Me and Mrs Hex want there to be an inhabitable planet for our grandchildren. I have only purchased new cars because I'm not interested in what's under the bonnet (I'm not rich - I saved !). We keep them for 10+ years. So with my BMW 11 years old and me 72 it was time to take the plunge and get an EV, probably my last car. Yes we are taking a chance. I suppose we are lucky that we don't have to make long journeys. So far we have not needed to use a public charger but we are going to the IOW soon so will have to see how that goes. We've had our Volvo EV for 10 months. It was chosen primarily for it's high driving position. Mrs Hex rarely drove the BMW 3 series because it was difficult seeing over the bonnet and reversing was not easy (I agree) so she was hesitant taking the Volvo instead of her 13 year old Jazz. She loves it and it's as good as her car now. She's a 2 car wife ! It seems to me that there is a lot of time and effort going into anti-EV publicity and many people are believing it. A previous poster mentioned reliability. Whilst admitting EVs are new, why should they be less reliable than ICEs ? Surely the opposite is more likely to be true.
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I live in an end of terrace house with no driveway, so charging is an issue, let alone the distance. Still not convinced that the battery in either guarantee, or distance is there yet, I would want it to be 400 miles, with a 10 year manufacturers warranty, and in my price range that seems unaffordable. Nissan have also withdrawn their local garage KAP, so will have to go to Ashford for a service, issues?. It is the same dealer who has a branch at Dartford and Maidstone so no big deal.
I fully expect both the price and reliability to improve in three years time, but will try and pick up a mini, as we hope to be moving back to the outskirts of Bexley. If In can put in a charging point, we shall see?
Have to keep an eye on the Ulez situation.
We have a Fiesta eco boost, and unlike another poster on here have found it a great little second car, cheap on Insurance and fuel, and parts are at present pretty cheap. We will be going back to one car later this year, so will be selling it. Had about 5 previous Fiesta's, and was sad when they no longer produced it.
Insurance prices seem to have rocketed, despite having 2: 20 year NCB's, and anyway would be taking the train to London, and the locals bus as it's free, and frankly less hassle.
https://x.com/tesla/status/1844584092605579397?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g
Re electric cars, I still think the technology needs to progress before I jump in. I’d also need to dig up the front garden so that I don’t have to park on the street and able to charge at home.
Also I see Elon Musk, electric car producer is supporting Trump, climate change denier in the US elections. I also recall being told to get a diesel and finding out the contaminants the engines produced were knowingly fiddled by comapnies that are now producing electric cars. My position will change when I can trust what I am being told.
1) cheap to run
Against
1) battery life about 8 years
2) batteries expensive to replace
3) batteries occasionally tend to explode like a series of grenades
4) there is no infrastructure to dispose of the toxic chemicals in duff batteries
5) the extra weight is destroying our roads
6) they are currently free of RFL, reducing income for road projects
7) you cant hear them, so increased risk of RTAs
8) electricity production still well short of 50% renewables.
9) the UK has no vehicle battery production despite many promises
10) they are not pollution free. Rubber dust due to weight, road damage above, toxic chemicals above, short battery life and dear replacement makes them less of a long term vehicle.
11) they are more expensive than conventional vehicles.
12) Elon Musk & Tesla
13) lack of charging infra-structure which is hellishly expensive and not everyone can park their car on a driveway
14) 2nd hand market will eventually be flooded with duff cars and bought by gullible punters who will overpay for an obsolete vehicle
15) most of the above are going to bite cash strapped councils, running electric buses on the arse.
1. the infra in this country is woeful. 10s of occasions left short due to not working / full charging units
2. As a single car family, 170 miles not enough. 4/5 times a year long journey is painful and slow. 1 hour stop to charge to get to east Devon (for instance)
3. It’s just too stressful planning due to both of above points. Driving should be fun(ish) not a war of attrition with charger suppliers.
I uphold my freedom to fart whenever I want.
What I really don't like is the access to freedom is the same for me with a big, German saloon is the same as some dude in Bangalore with a rickshaw/tuk-tuk. Thats soon to stop. Because of the speed of technology development and legit range anxiety with EVs the used market is dead for them. Not to mention the fear of something going badly wrong with them or more specifically the batteries. I'm a lapsed petrol-head and the lack of 90s hot hatches or vehicles from that time makes me sad, what makes it worse is they won't be coming back. ⁸888
Fair play to anyone who is strapped up with one, has one leased through work or whatever. I don't think I'm ready for that much debt in a very much still developing technology where the start prices are so high
* Edit - which would effectively be a like for like replacement.
He attends every UK EV show for every day they’re on.
Even he has talked about the lack of infrastructure, but did say battery technology is advancing fast.
soon be able to get greater distances and make fewer charges.
Loves his Tesla
if a self confessed EV geek sees the drawbacks, then I’ll wait until it makes sense to switch.
We've had our Volvo EV for 10 months. It was chosen primarily for it's high driving position. Mrs Hex rarely drove the BMW 3 series because it was difficult seeing over the bonnet and reversing was not easy (I agree) so she was hesitant taking the Volvo instead of her 13 year old Jazz. She loves it and it's as good as her car now. She's a 2 car wife !
It seems to me that there is a lot of time and effort going into anti-EV publicity and many people are believing it. A previous poster mentioned reliability. Whilst admitting EVs are new, why should they be less reliable than ICEs ? Surely the opposite is more likely to be true.