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Had an interesting chat with one of the other Dads at Sports Day at school on Wednesday.
His hybrid plug in Volvo XC90 is off the road at the moment as the electric motor driving the rear axle had broken. Apparently they are only supposed to last 100k miles. He took it to his local Volvo garage and they told him they'd fix it as soon as the part came in, and it could take a couple of weeks. That was 6 weeks ago.
He made a few phone calls, done some digging and it turns out there's a massive shortage of these motors. Volvo have admitted there's possibly as many as 500 XC90s off the road at the moment with the same problem. What's worse, is that Volvo haven't even started making these electric motors yet because they don't start making them until significant numbers are needed. Like is 500 cars off the road not enough? One XC90 has been off the road for 10 months already. There is still no ETA for the part.
Blimey. Oh and the cost of that electric motor? £5k + labour.
That has put me right off buying a hybrid/electric now.
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As there are so many EV options now and unless you are driving huge miles every day I can't understand the logic of buying a new hybrid. You have the ICE kit to go wrong, the EV kit to go wrong and kit that manages swapping between the two. What am I missing ?JohnBoyUK said:Had an interesting chat with one of the other Dads at Sports Day at school on Wednesday.
His hybrid plug in Volvo XC90 is off the road at the moment as the electric motor driving the rear axle had broken. Apparently they are only supposed to last 100k miles. He took it to his local Volvo garage and they told him they'd fix it as soon as the part came in, and it could take a couple of weeks. That was 6 weeks ago.
He made a few phone calls, done some digging and it turns out there's a massive shortage of these motors. Volvo have admitted there's possibly as many as 500 XC90s off the road at the moment with the same problem. What's worse, is that Volvo haven't even started making these electric motors yet because they don't start making them until significant numbers are needed. Like is 500 cars off the road not enough? One XC90 has been off the road for 10 months already. There is still no ETA for the part.
Blimey. Oh and the cost of that electric motor? £5k + labour.
That has put me right off buying a hybrid/electric now.2 -
Whilst I appreciate the sentiment about complexity being bad, hybrid systems have actually been far more robust than i ever expected them to be.Hex said:
As there are so many EV options now and unless you are driving huge miles every day I can't understand the logic of buying a new hybrid. You have the ICE kit to go wrong, the EV kit to go wrong and kit that manages swapping between the two. What am I missing ?JohnBoyUK said:Had an interesting chat with one of the other Dads at Sports Day at school on Wednesday.
His hybrid plug in Volvo XC90 is off the road at the moment as the electric motor driving the rear axle had broken. Apparently they are only supposed to last 100k miles. He took it to his local Volvo garage and they told him they'd fix it as soon as the part came in, and it could take a couple of weeks. That was 6 weeks ago.
He made a few phone calls, done some digging and it turns out there's a massive shortage of these motors. Volvo have admitted there's possibly as many as 500 XC90s off the road at the moment with the same problem. What's worse, is that Volvo haven't even started making these electric motors yet because they don't start making them until significant numbers are needed. Like is 500 cars off the road not enough? One XC90 has been off the road for 10 months already. There is still no ETA for the part.
Blimey. Oh and the cost of that electric motor? £5k + labour.
That has put me right off buying a hybrid/electric now.
There seem to be countless (admittedly Toyota) hybrids with over 200,000 miles on them.2 -
Hybrids are generally decent from my own personal experience of them. Plug in hybrids are the best of both and my mate next door uses his as EVs are sold to be used. Drives to and from work, a 6 mile round trip on the battery, plugs it in when he gets home and when he is doing actual miles on motorways and shit its used normally. Horrible looking thing but thats beside the point in this example.
My experience of EV remains that they are wholly impractical with normal person budgets unless you have a drive, a charger and are only doing short journeys. Increasingly me and my colleagues are now finding friends of humanity that chop away the charging cables the points and using local experience I've found several charging points that the software just doesn't work.
I maintain they are very nice to drive, air con and heaters are elite but using both has a very real impact on thr range and maddeningly I now need to plan with precision a journey more than 20 miles each way and also have a bit of luck on my side. For context this is a 50kw electric van, I've taken as much stuff out of it as I can and in real world conditions am getting under 100 miles on full charges.0 -
Thought I'd mention that, my ioniq 5 is 2 1/5 years old now with 16000 miles on the clock, it's starting to get lot's of annoying niggles , the latest is a battery fault warning that keeps appearing on screen, it drives and charges fine , feels software related but it's going back to the dealer again, fourth time it has gone back now excluding the routine checks.0
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I think you can expand that description to almost everything. We live in a society where we are encouraged to go shopping as a pastime. It's pathetic really.MuttleyCAFC said:The summary of a lot of car buyers today as I see it. They buy things they don't need with money they don't have to impress people they've never met who don't really care.2 -
I had an IONIQ6 for a year - couple of battery issues and in dealers for 2 weeks but they said "no issue" - lots of comments online about recurring ICCU issues. Liked the car and it's looks but had a turning circle of an oil tanker...have now had a BMW iX2 30 for nearly 6 months and love it - slightly less range but a nice drive. I'd say if you have off road parking and can have a charger installed, using Octopus Intelligent EV its incredibly cheap to run...2000 miles for £51! 90% of my journeys are 10 miles or less except occasional trips to Gatwick which are no issue. Think I'm sticking with electric now.jonseventyfive said:Thought I'd mention that, my ioniq 5 is 2 1/5 years old now with 16000 miles on the clock, it's starting to get lot's of annoying niggles , the latest is a battery fault warning that keeps appearing on screen, it drives and charges fine , feels software related but it's going back to the dealer again, fourth time it has gone back now excluding the routine checks.3 -
Having done some research on Hybrids it was my intention to make my next car a plug in Hybrid. We mainly do short runs to take the dog out and drive around and about locally. I settled for a 3 year old Nissan Juke which is not a plug in and was pleasantly surprised. It's a pleasure to drive, does all the work for you whether it's running on petrol or electric, has a full tank range of over 350 miles, obviously not all petrol miles and to be fair suits us down to the ground. Taking the dog out locally is all electric and even on motorways under good conditions the petrol engine is not doing anything. If we had gone for a plug in we would have had to have a point installed in the garage, remembered to plug it in and had the extra expense on the leccy bill. I'm really old school with cars having been brought up stripping Ford Anglia 105e and Hillman Imp Coventry Climax engines but I feel the way cars are going, the electric way still has way to go but is getting there. Before you ask why don't you walk your dog? A. he only has 3 legs and B. he's shit scared of traffic.
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@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?0
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Not so much the vehicles more to do with the whole infrastructure, charging points etc., knowing you're going to arrive and be able to get back. From a personal point of view, I had to RTFM to understand how it all worked as opposed to a conventional petrol engine.Hex said:@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?1 -
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Interesting. I'm the opposite to you. Having spent many freezing cold hours holding a torch for my dad while he was carrying out a repair we couldn't afford to take to a garage, I vowed to make sure my car would always get me from A to B. So, I waited till my late 20s, bought new and looked after it. I have never wanted to know what went on under the bonnet !man_at_milletts said:
Not so much the vehicles more to do with the whole infrastructure, charging points etc., knowing you're going to arrive and be able to get back. From a personal point of view, I had to RTFM to understand how it all worked as opposed to a conventional petrol engine.Hex said:@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?
I have kept all of our cars, purchased new, until they were at least 10 years old. Currently Mrs Hex's car, a Jazz, is 16yo. But it’s rarely driven because our EV is so easy to drive. Mrs Hex had no intention of transferring from her beloved little Jazz but after 3 or 4 trips in the EV the Jazz was forgotten.
We only use the Jazz on the very rare occasions we need a second car. To be honest it's a bit of a pain having to take it for a run once a month to keep the battery charged !
The EV is so convenient. A lot of the features are probably in most new cars but they seem to integrate better in an EV. Eg automatic breaking, climatising before we leave on a cold morning, charging (plug it in and leave it to Octopus), no starting and stopping the engine, using voice commands to do basic functions like turning on AC.
Even charging is not necessarily the problem you think. If the car calculates it doesn't have sufficient battery the sat nav automatically directs you to suitable charging points. At home the 7Kw unit charges at approx 10% (24 miles) per hour. The slowest public chargers are 20+kW with many being installed now being much faster (up to 350 kw). It's probably not the problem you think it is.2 -
Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
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EVs will not be allowed / be able to be substantially cheaper per mile for very long.The government will need to replace the lost revenue from the pump by some means.So any calculation is only valid in the short term I feel.1
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I have a electric Ford Capri that does around 360 miles on a full charge. So far I haven't needed to charge it at a public charge point. I get the feeling that the cost to.charge it at a decent charge rate won't actually be much less that the cost for petrol. What are people's experi3nce of public charging costs?Hex said:
Interesting. I'm the opposite to you. Having spent many freezing cold hours holding a torch for my dad while he was carrying out a repair we couldn't afford to take to a garage, I vowed to make sure my car would always get me from A to B. So, I waited till my late 20s, bought new and looked after it. I have never wanted to know what went on under the bonnet !man_at_milletts said:
Not so much the vehicles more to do with the whole infrastructure, charging points etc., knowing you're going to arrive and be able to get back. From a personal point of view, I had to RTFM to understand how it all worked as opposed to a conventional petrol engine.Hex said:@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?
I have kept all of our cars, purchased new, until they were at least 10 years old. Currently Mrs Hex's car, a Jazz, is 16yo. But it’s rarely driven because our EV is so easy to drive. Mrs Hex had no intention of transferring from her beloved little Jazz but after 3 or 4 trips in the EV the Jazz was forgotten.
We only use the Jazz on the very rare occasions we need a second car. To be honest it's a bit of a pain having to take it for a run once a month to keep the battery charged !
The EV is so convenient. A lot of the features are probably in most new cars but they seem to integrate better in an EV. Eg automatic breaking, climatising before we leave on a cold morning, charging (plug it in and leave it to Octopus), no starting and stopping the engine, using voice commands to do basic functions like turning on AC.
Even charging is not necessarily the problem you think. If the car calculates it doesn't have sufficient battery the sat nav automatically directs you to suitable charging points. At home the 7Kw unit charges at approx 10% (24 miles) per hour. The slowest public chargers are 20+kW with many being installed now being much faster (up to 350 kw). It's probably not the problem you think it is.0 -
Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever owned0 -
Depending on your tarrif it is often better to export all solar and charge the electric car overnight on the cheap rate. Intelligent Octopus Go is a good example of this. Overnight import 7p export at 12p.The Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.Might be different if you have a FIT tarrif.1 -
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Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever ownedAn electric car is very easy on long distances. But you need to do your homework.Make sure you choose a car brand that has access to an excellent charging infrastructure.Choose an EV that is efficient (think heat pump and low weight) and has a reasonable size battery. If regular long distance at least 70kwh plus.Short journeys 50kwh will be fine in a car, you can use this size battery for longer distances but reduce your speed to 60 or less if appropriate on motorway or dual carriageway and expect to charge more often.0 -
I've been driving petrol BMWs for more than 20 years now and have never had an issue of any kind.
All I've had done is MOT and an anuual or bi annual service #just saying.1 -
Bad luck catches up with all of us eventually even with German cars but you give yourself a good chance of avoiding that by staying on top of servicing them.Covered End said:I've been driving petrol BMWs for more than 20 years now and have never had an issue of any kind.
All I've had done is MOT and an anuual or bi annual service #just saying.
Driven plenty and flipped a couple but never owned one medium term. Apart from a 7 series that had all sorts of funky stuff going on with the electrics (lovely car ither than that) I liked them all and sold them no problem0 -
I moved from a Euro 6 diesel Grand Picasso that did 50+mpg to a DS7 PHEV that did 36 miles (from a claimed 42 miles) on a full charge, 28mpg on the petrol engine.
We Buy Any Junk took the DS7 off me with enough to pay off my finance and get a full EV. I got a top of the range 400bhp Jaguar I-Pace with air suspension, Level 2 Autonomous driving, self park, full heated and cooled leather interior for less than new Vauxhall Corsa. Battery still has 93% after 6 years, not a rattle or creak. It's quiet, refined and super quick!
I have a home charger so it turns out into a giant mobile phone - I plug it in over night and it's charged in the morning. I charge it once a week, cost me £19.10 for the 6 weeks I've had it so far, driving it every day.
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I have to say your experience of less than a 100 mile range with a 50kW battery is rubbish. What are you carrying ? Our Volvo is 69kw with a 240 mile range. For that reason, with a home charger at 7kW, 100 miles per day is no problem.Carter said:
Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever owned1 -
If you are with Octopus you can get an Electroverse card and charge any public charging to your Octopus account. It is not car-specific. Additionally with the Octopus EV-friendly tariff you get 6 hours a night at 7p per kWh for any use.fenlandaddick said:Carter said:
Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever ownedAn electric car is very easy on long distances. But you need to do your homework.Make sure you choose a car brand that has access to an excellent charging infrastructure.Choose an EV that is efficient (think heat pump and low weight) and has a reasonable size battery. If regular long distance at least 70kwh plus.Short journeys 50kwh will be fine in a car, you can use this size battery for longer distances but reduce your speed to 60 or less if appropriate on motorway or dual carriageway and expect to charge more often.1 -
You sound like all the transport people at workHex said:
I have to say your experience of less than a 100 mile range with a 50kW battery is rubbish. What are you carrying ? Our Volvo is 69kw with a 240 mile range. For that reason, with a home charger at 7kW, 100 miles per day is no problem.Carter said:
Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever owned
Chatham to Folkestone and back is approximately 80 miles give or take. By motorway mainly. A full charge if you believe the range gives 175 miles. I've not managed to do it yet from a full charge without needing to charge it. Motorways absolutely kill the range, the air con goes on, then goes off, then goes back on, regenerative braking is always on for what good that does. Its a Vauxhall so a level of general shitness is to be expected. I can only speak as I find, its impossible to be over-charging or putting more electricity in it than needed even if the same fleet people are always on at us about charging them beyond 80% on public chargers as that fucks the batteries, then a dofferent person emails us telling us we are spending too much on charging.
In terms of what I'm carrying, thats a fun new dynamic we all have that we didn't before. The heaviest thing would be a 2 stroke kango or an air-compressor. Both could previously live in my old van and not affect how often I filled it up with diesel so now I have to try and guess what I will or won't need and look a prick if I need something I've left in the yard for the sake of saving some weight and range. With the heat I've started to get sick of that game every morning and finish time.
Genuinely I like driving it, its smooth, really quick accelerating power, its just causing me so much wasted time charging it so often for at least an hour a time doing nothing else. I don't get paid for lunch breaks, thankfully I'm on a day rate so its only really the companies time being wasted but I'm not really the sort of character to doss about sat in the cab of a boiling hot van in a supermarket carpark or mince around the shops. Hopefully the next one is better I get in 3 years time and I don't spend my working day looking for where I can charge it next0 -
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You sound like all the transport people at workHex said:
I have to say your experience of less than a 100 mile range with a 50kW battery is rubbish. What are you carrying ? Our Volvo is 69kw with a 240 mile range. For that reason, with a home charger at 7kW, 100 miles per day is no problem.Carter said:
Honestly, given my experience of journeys like that in EVs I wouldn't recommend itThe Prince-e-Paul said:Just thinking about an EV for my wife. She drives an old Ford Escort Estate. It does in old school about 38mpg. I owned her nothing. She bought it less than 2 years ago £1100 and she's already clocked up 39,000 miles.
My question to EV users, in-the-know, is, allowing for the cost of leasing an EV, I'm wondering, if the cost of petrol would outweigh the costs involved in owning an EV. She does a 100 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. There is no charging point at work. We have solar at home, but annoyingly the car would be parked 50 miles away every daytime (so no free electric), and our system can create upwards of 80kw daily in summer.
You should seriously consider a diesel for regular journeys of that length. I'm selling an excellent one soon, isn't ULEZ but is only 20 quid a year road tax and is frankly the best car I've ever owned
Chatham to Folkestone and back is approximately 80 miles give or take. By motorway mainly. A full charge if you believe the range gives 175 miles. I've not managed to do it yet from a full charge without needing to charge it. Motorways absolutely kill the range, the air con goes on, then goes off, then goes back on, regenerative braking is always on for what good that does. Its a Vauxhall so a level of general shitness is to be expected. I can only speak as I find, its impossible to be over-charging or putting more electricity in it than needed even if the same fleet people are always on at us about charging them beyond 80% on public chargers as that fucks the batteries, then a dofferent person emails us telling us we are spending too much on charging.
In terms of what I'm carrying, thats a fun new dynamic we all have that we didn't before. The heaviest thing would be a 2 stroke kango or an air-compressor. Both could previously live in my old van and not affect how often I filled it up with diesel so now I have to try and guess what I will or won't need and look a prick if I need something I've left in the yard for the sake of saving some weight and range. With the heat I've started to get sick of that game every morning and finish time.
Genuinely I like driving it, its smooth, really quick accelerating power, its just causing me so much wasted time charging it so often for at least an hour a time doing nothing else. I don't get paid for lunch breaks, thankfully I'm on a day rate so its only really the companies time being wasted but I'm not really the sort of character to doss about sat in the cab of a boiling hot van in a supermarket carpark or mince around the shops. Hopefully the next one is better I get in 3 years time and I don't spend my working day looking for where I can charge it nextAs a comparison, my car can achieve just under 300 miles on a motorway. I usually stick between 60 - 65 mph.I still stop twice on a fairly regular 320 mile round trip, and charge once for 10 mins or so while taking a rest.I agree the vehicle they have provided you is not fit for your purpose. Whoever procured it has not done their homework. A van is never going to be the most efficient shape, and with the extra weight motorway driving will be a killer.The point on the aircon is likely an inefficient design. I noticed about a couple of percent difference on a 25 degree Celsius day if it is on. On a very hot day a little more , but nothing too bad.2 -
On the BBC site theres a feature on a new car battery developed by Shell. It's surrounded by a special liquid that enables rapid charging without any danger of overheating. They are saying a recharge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes, which suddenly makes their business viable again, you can stop off at a garage to charge your car, buy a mars bar and have a slash, for only slightly longer than a petrol refill takes.0
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I have always thought the solution in terms of batteries is to have standard pre charged batteries that are replaced at service stations etc... Every car shoud have the capacity for 2 or 3 of these batteries so when one runs out it gets replaced. A system like this would mean electric cars are not junk after about 8 to 10 years. Of course they should have the ability to be topped up outside of a service station too. Something like this would change the game and if the platform is well designed these batteries could be replaced extremely quickly.0
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that's exactly what so many buyers are worried about😂Hex said:
Interesting. I'm the opposite to you. Having spent many freezing cold hours holding a torch for my dad while he was carrying out a repair we couldn't afford to take to a garage, I vowed to make sure my car would always get me from A to B. So, I waited till my late 20s, bought new and looked after it. I have never wanted to know what went on under the bonnet !man_at_milletts said:
Not so much the vehicles more to do with the whole infrastructure, charging points etc., knowing you're going to arrive and be able to get back. From a personal point of view, I had to RTFM to understand how it all worked as opposed to a conventional petrol engine.Hex said:@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?
I have kept all of our cars, purchased new, until they were at least 10 years old. Currently Mrs Hex's car, a Jazz, is 16yo. But it’s rarely driven because our EV is so easy to drive. Mrs Hex had no intention of transferring from her beloved little Jazz but after 3 or 4 trips in the EV the Jazz was forgotten.
We only use the Jazz on the very rare occasions we need a second car. To be honest it's a bit of a pain having to take it for a run once a month to keep the battery charged !
The EV is so convenient. A lot of the features are probably in most new cars but they seem to integrate better in an EV. Eg automatic breaking, climatising before we leave on a cold morning, charging (plug it in and leave it to Octopus), no starting and stopping the engine, using voice commands to do basic functions like turning on AC.
Even charging is not necessarily the problem you think. If the car calculates it doesn't have sufficient battery the sat nav automatically directs you to suitable charging points. At home the 7Kw unit charges at approx 10% (24 miles) per hour. The slowest public chargers are 20+kW with many being installed now being much faster (up to 350 kw). It's probably not the problem you think it is.
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Why ?Billy_Mix said:
that's exactly what so many buyers are worried about😂Hex said:
Interesting. I'm the opposite to you. Having spent many freezing cold hours holding a torch for my dad while he was carrying out a repair we couldn't afford to take to a garage, I vowed to make sure my car would always get me from A to B. So, I waited till my late 20s, bought new and looked after it. I have never wanted to know what went on under the bonnet !man_at_milletts said:
Not so much the vehicles more to do with the whole infrastructure, charging points etc., knowing you're going to arrive and be able to get back. From a personal point of view, I had to RTFM to understand how it all worked as opposed to a conventional petrol engine.Hex said:@man_at_milletts. In your opinion, what have EVs got to do to 'get there' ?
I have kept all of our cars, purchased new, until they were at least 10 years old. Currently Mrs Hex's car, a Jazz, is 16yo. But it’s rarely driven because our EV is so easy to drive. Mrs Hex had no intention of transferring from her beloved little Jazz but after 3 or 4 trips in the EV the Jazz was forgotten.
We only use the Jazz on the very rare occasions we need a second car. To be honest it's a bit of a pain having to take it for a run once a month to keep the battery charged !
The EV is so convenient. A lot of the features are probably in most new cars but they seem to integrate better in an EV. Eg automatic breaking, climatising before we leave on a cold morning, charging (plug it in and leave it to Octopus), no starting and stopping the engine, using voice commands to do basic functions like turning on AC.
Even charging is not necessarily the problem you think. If the car calculates it doesn't have sufficient battery the sat nav automatically directs you to suitable charging points. At home the 7Kw unit charges at approx 10% (24 miles) per hour. The slowest public chargers are 20+kW with many being installed now being much faster (up to 350 kw). It's probably not the problem you think it is.1
