[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]only a very small minority of looneys mate, doesn't take much to make chaos while the overwhelming majority of good citizens suffer.
So its a good job they appear to be a bunch of amateurs incapable of setting off bombs!
its grim travelling into London at the moment but the sight of the dogs and police at the stations is a comforting sight. you cant let it bother you tho can you - else you wouldnt go to work.
[cite]Posted By: T[/cite]
Besides I think it's nothing more than a ploy by the Brown government conspiricy to cut down on Doctors waiting lists... how many old dears are going to not bother going to see their Doctors of foreign extraction becuase they 'might be bombers'?!
With 90% burns he's on borrowed time, however keeping him alive means we can potentially extract some useful information out of him - names of other people in his cell etc.
In any case doctors (and nurses??) sign the hippocratic oath, to treat everyone regardless of who they are. Britain has a problem with Islamic backed terrorists, as much as anything this is a war of values and hearts and minds. We have to demonstrate that we are above petty vindictiveness.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]I don't find the police presence in anyway reassuring personally.
Nor do I, if some nutbag wants to fill his car with bombs and drive it into a building a copper and his dog are not going to be much help. Saying that I don't walk around worried about it all.
its grim travelling into London at the moment but the sight of the dogs and police at the stations is a comforting sight. you cant let it bother you tho can you - else you wouldnt go to work.
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They are mostly there for show - to give the impression that the government is on the ball and taking things seriously, remember the tanks at Heathrow airport a few years ago? More worringly I see the heavy handed police response as a precursor to a further "necessary" reduction in civil liberties, but perhaps that is a matter for another thread.
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]Apart from the humanitarian issue which I agree with, surely we have a better chance of finding out about the plot, the contacts etc if he survives than if he dies?
Did try to make that point earlier, but the blood lust is in full swing on here
they have got the other bloke that was with him so why worry - get the info off him.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'd hope that our doctors and nurses were more professional than that and treated them like any other patient despite whatever they may think of the individual.
Agree with Ben and WSS on this.
Do we expect our Army Medics not to treat enemy casualties with due care and attention.......
Lets get him better and then bang him up for a long time and let "the sisters" give him as much punishment as they see fit...
the opportunity to get any information out of him is a bonus to be hoped for, but I hope he gets his just deserts from the criminal courts not from our doctors and nurses lowering themselves and failing to treat him properly.
I would hate for them, and by extension us, to be become dehumanized like the terrorists - now that would be a real victory for them.
Dan, you been to prison lately?? I have a couple of pals just come out, and i can tell ya there wasnt any 'sisters' there, and they both had a stevie in the cell, with a friggin freeview box aswell. Macdonalds cheseburgers on order, and spliffs every night without getting caught in 2 years! I say throw them in the sewer!
Its good to see that our own (UK) Doctors who are white, black, brown etc.. subjects are finding it hard to get jobs when these Iraqi gets medical jobs straight away our politions really look after their own, white black, brown etc.. dont they.
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]Apart from the humanitarian issue which I agree with, surely we have a better chance of finding out about the plot, the contacts etc if he survives than if he dies?
Do you really think someone who is willing to blow himself up for his cause is suddenly going to change his mind and blab all the secrets he knows?
No chance though if he's dead. At least some chance if he stays alive.
T's comment about old ladies might be in bad taste, but there is a ring of truth about it, I can quite imagine my Mum and her cronies being exactly like that!
Wrong T the government ballsed up big time on this doctors are leaving their studies to no jobs and we all know why. Thats why about a month ago people were demanding the then minister of health patrica hewitt (New Labour) to resign.
Lucky for those MP's that us Brits dont cause a fuss about things.
Pete_tong1 - Christ didn't know that. just Googled it... the whole problem being the online recruitment thing, the fact there are jobs there and people who want to fill them but because the IT system being set up by monkeys they are unable to do so... what a joke!
I thought even with the system, i thought we still weren't training/have medical staff which is why i have an Iranian doctor, Egyptian Dentist and the nurses that help them both are Nigerian.
Algarve - I guess the only bad taste was the Brown conspiracy part, and appologies to anyone offended. My point is we will have this mass hysteria and to a biggoted minority and this will have an effect on the way they go about their day.
I wan't offended personally T, and I agree totally about the bigots, sadly I think they are a very significant minority, whose numbers increase every time an incident like this happens. I have all sorts of people from all over the country in my pub, and the number of conversations which quickly turn to "Don't blame you for leaving the country, all these bloody foreigners..." blah blah blah.
I have perfected the art of the fixed smile and ability to resist the temptation to say "No, the reason I left the country was because of people like you...".
I have perfected the art of the fixed smile and ability to resist the temptation to say "No, the reason I left the country was because of people like you...".
[cite]Posted By: CharltonDan[/cite]Admin - Why does anything slightly controversial like this or the Glasgow bombings get sunk?
Because mate this is primarily a football site. We're not here to offer what's right and wrong in the world, because people have very different views on what those should be, and it generally sets a bad vibe, gets dominated by those with strong opinions, extreme views, or prone to exaggeration.
Sadly when emotive issues like this get discussed, thee is always a negative or aggressive angle that materialises with it. If people really want to discuss issues such as this, there are thousands of places on the web that are much more dedicated and appropriate to it then a site dedicated to Charlton, and hoping to pull a community together that will be positive for the club and us.
Of course it goes off topic here all the time, that's natural, and we've no desire to change that or say that's wrong. Just don't want this place to turn into a contraversial sounding off board about 'all that's wrong in the world'. That's all.
[/quote][cite] Why is this site turning into the online MB equivalent of Ken Livingston?[/quote]
Please let me know what exactly is a message board equivalent to Ken Livingstone is, because its not something i would want to be associated with. If what i said above and the reasons for it make it that in your eyes, then i don't understand.
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]3 minutes Offy, you're getting quicker picking up on these !
mind you, its still pre-pub....
Thank you. I must say, now that I've found it, I am VERY impressed with the faciltity on this website that sends you an email whenever a particular person has posted or whenever there is a post on a subject you have flagged up.
I've currently got my settings on "AFKA" and the word "Sink"
;o)
"online MB equivalent of Ken Livingston" is meant to express that if anything slightly risque is being discussed, such as Islamic Fundamentalists, then everything is quietened up in fear of offence.........Its bollox Smudge! These idiots are attempting to bully us into their way of thinking and just sticking ones head in the sand is not the way to face it.
I thought this site was set up for a sense of community?
Communities have the right to discuss issues that effect them, whether they're the pros and cons of signing Freddie Eastwood or some nutter trying to blow himself and 100 innocent people up. If these issues are emotive and people disagree then that's fine (as long as its done in an adult fashion). One doesn't learn to accept another persons point of view without that differing point of view being expressed.
The world, and this MB, would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything and didn't get the chance to talk about anything more emotive than the cost of Palace away........
PS Please don't ban me for disagreeing with you ;-)
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So its a good job they appear to be a bunch of amateurs incapable of setting off bombs!
its grim travelling into London at the moment but the sight of the dogs and police at the stations is a comforting sight. you cant let it bother you tho can you - else you wouldnt go to work.
Not funny.
:)
In any case doctors (and nurses??) sign the hippocratic oath, to treat everyone regardless of who they are. Britain has a problem with Islamic backed terrorists, as much as anything this is a war of values and hearts and minds. We have to demonstrate that we are above petty vindictiveness.
Nor do I, if some nutbag wants to fill his car with bombs and drive it into a building a copper and his dog are not going to be much help. Saying that I don't walk around worried about it all.
.................
They are mostly there for show - to give the impression that the government is on the ball and taking things seriously, remember the tanks at Heathrow airport a few years ago? More worringly I see the heavy handed police response as a precursor to a further "necessary" reduction in civil liberties, but perhaps that is a matter for another thread.
they have got the other bloke that was with him so why worry - get the info off him.
... but they might have different knowledge to one another.
Agree with Ben and WSS on this.
Do we expect our Army Medics not to treat enemy casualties with due care and attention.......
Lets get him better and then bang him up for a long time and let "the sisters" give him as much punishment as they see fit...
Wizard's sleeve springs to mind!!
I would hate for them, and by extension us, to be become dehumanized like the terrorists - now that would be a real victory for them.
From the 'ilk' and the melt.
I thought we were horribly understaffed in that area thus they were all overworked, which is why we were encoraging Doctors to come to the country.
No chance though if he's dead. At least some chance if he stays alive.
Lucky for those MP's that us Brits dont cause a fuss about things.
I thought even with the system, i thought we still weren't training/have medical staff which is why i have an Iranian doctor, Egyptian Dentist and the nurses that help them both are Nigerian.
Algarve - I guess the only bad taste was the Brown conspiracy part, and appologies to anyone offended. My point is we will have this mass hysteria and to a biggoted minority and this will have an effect on the way they go about their day.
I have perfected the art of the fixed smile and ability to resist the temptation to say "No, the reason I left the country was because of people like you...".
Spot on P, spot on.
Why is this site turning into the online MB equivalent of Ken Livingston?
Because mate this is primarily a football site. We're not here to offer what's right and wrong in the world, because people have very different views on what those should be, and it generally sets a bad vibe, gets dominated by those with strong opinions, extreme views, or prone to exaggeration.
Sadly when emotive issues like this get discussed, thee is always a negative or aggressive angle that materialises with it. If people really want to discuss issues such as this, there are thousands of places on the web that are much more dedicated and appropriate to it then a site dedicated to Charlton, and hoping to pull a community together that will be positive for the club and us.
Of course it goes off topic here all the time, that's natural, and we've no desire to change that or say that's wrong. Just don't want this place to turn into a contraversial sounding off board about 'all that's wrong in the world'. That's all.
[/quote][cite] Why is this site turning into the online MB equivalent of Ken Livingston?[/quote]
Please let me know what exactly is a message board equivalent to Ken Livingstone is, because its not something i would want to be associated with. If what i said above and the reasons for it make it that in your eyes, then i don't understand.
mind you, its still pre-pub....
Thank you. I must say, now that I've found it, I am VERY impressed with the faciltity on this website that sends you an email whenever a particular person has posted or whenever there is a post on a subject you have flagged up.
I've currently got my settings on "AFKA" and the word "Sink"
;o)
I thought this site was set up for a sense of community?
Communities have the right to discuss issues that effect them, whether they're the pros and cons of signing Freddie Eastwood or some nutter trying to blow himself and 100 innocent people up. If these issues are emotive and people disagree then that's fine (as long as its done in an adult fashion). One doesn't learn to accept another persons point of view without that differing point of view being expressed.
The world, and this MB, would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything and didn't get the chance to talk about anything more emotive than the cost of Palace away........
PS Please don't ban me for disagreeing with you ;-)