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Who owns the Valley? - The Ownership Thread

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  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    @LenGlover Thanks
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Chizz wuming at his best.
    Ignore 
    Douchbag now owns fuck all of Charlton 
    Quite
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Seems this is one question that remains unanswered. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chizz said:
    Seems this is one question that remains unanswered. 
    If ESI don't own it, one would assume Roland does, unless he has flogged it to someone else. 
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,126
    David “Kid” Jensen
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    Chizz wuming at his best.
    Ignore 
    Douchbag now owns fuck all of Charlton 
    Actually what I meant.


    Erm

    Well

    You know 

    Ah bollox. 

    Sorry chizz😘
  • Take a look at the Southall CAST interview thread (or read interview) - ESI do not own Valley or Sparrows.......
  • Not read this thread before as didn't think it was going to be an issue. Hmmmmm. One of the things I remember from maybe his first presser was him saying he would sometimes make decisions we didn't like but it would be for the benefit of taking the club forward. I was thinking of him maybe meaning selling Taylor. I am almost hoping that is all he meant. Please Olly tell him he needs to explain in more detail what has/is/ will be going on in relation to the Valley.
  • We have just rid of one mob telling porkies....
  • Surely there is a conclusive answer. I don't want a spiv answer. Just in black and white who owns what. If the ground wasn't bought from Roland why not. Is there a buyout clause. I thought that the ground could only be used as a sporting arena and was of public interest. When did that cease to be the case.
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  • One question.

    Do you own 100% of The Valley?  That can only give a yes or no answer.
  • One question.

    Do you own 100% of The Valley?  That can only give a yes or no answer.
    Or:  "When you say "you" who do you mean?"
  • One question.

    Do you own 100% of The Valley?  That can only give a yes or no answer.
    Define “The Valley”
    Define “own”
    Define “you”

    Do ESI have clear title ownership, with no liens or leases, of both the land and structures that comprise the valley?

    And just for safety’s sake. 

    Can you confirm that Roland Duchatelet has no shares or other ownership stake in ESI?

    if we want explicit answers, we need to ask explicit questions. And we need to have explicit follow up questions ready if the answer is not an unequivocal “yes”. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,993
    Surely there is a conclusive answer. I don't want a spiv answer. Just in black and white who owns what. If the ground wasn't bought from Roland why not. Is there a buyout clause. I thought that the ground could only be used as a sporting arena and was of public interest. When did that cease to be the case.
    It is still the case, just people scaremongering.
  • There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    There may be a contractual obligation to purchase the Valley & Sparrows (the holding company owning those assets)  but contractual obligations are easily changed or amended and can be hard to enforce if they are ignored.

    Something seems odd here.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited January 2020
    What happens if ESI decline their contractual obligation or even fold? Did EFL satisfy themselves that he money is there to meet that obligation? Hopefully there are re-assuring answers to those questions - there may well be. I would like to hear them though. I think most of us agree that Roland was asking for a lot more than the assets were worth as a football club, but he seems to have kept hold of those and lost the football club bit.
  • One question.

    Do you own 100% of The Valley?  That can only give a yes or no answer.
    Define “The Valley”
    Define “own”
    Define “you”

    Do ESI have clear title ownership, with no liens or leases, of both the land and structures that comprise the valley?

    And just for safety’s sake. 

    Can you confirm that Roland Duchatelet has no shares or other ownership stake in ESI?

    if we want explicit answers, we need to ask explicit questions. And we need to have explicit follow up questions ready if the answer is not an unequivocal “yes”. 

    By not getting a straight answer that would become a no.
  • What happens if ESI decline their contractual obligation or even fold? Did EFL satisfy themselves that he money is there to meet that obligation? Hopefully there are re-assuring answers to those questions - there may well be. I would like to hear them though.

    We're in the brown stuff.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    disagree. this is a fundamental question. first he says they bought The Valley with Sparrows Lane to follow. now he says that currently they have bought neither. if that doesn't bother you then fine but it sure as hell bothers me. 
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  • There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    disagree. this is a fundamental question. first he says they bought The Valley with Sparrows Lane to follow. now he says that currently they have bought neither. if that doesn't bother you then fine but it sure as hell bothers me. 


    Finding all that out in the first 2 months is important why 

    There’s bitterness and trouble making a foot 

    fall for it at your peril 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    Not sure why the alarm reaction 

    Doesn't this in reality only become an issue in the run up to their 6 month obligation if it has not occurred yet?

    I’m these are the aspects which took the EFL time to question and scrutinise. They then gave the green light to proceed.

    Worry when there is something tangible to worry about is my view. Not sure what stepping on the scrutiny gas at this point is going to achieve other than more angst. 
  • There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    disagree. this is a fundamental question. first he says they bought The Valley with Sparrows Lane to follow. now he says that currently they have bought neither. if that doesn't bother you then fine but it sure as hell bothers me. 

    Why has he changed what he said?
  • There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    ESI to date have likely put no money at all into the club. In 2 weeks except for the loan signing of Greene, they have achieved nothing but separate club from land assets, not even sign Bowyer to a new contract despite that being a stated objective from 6 weeks ago and Bowyers desire. 

    I think it entirely understandable questions are coming out rather than blind optimism.  

    Doesn't meand people don't still have hope they are the real deal, doesn't mean it is negative and doesn't mean people are bed wetters.  MS said he would always be honest with fans and explain decisions so it is only fair to give him that chance.
  • There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    ESI to date have likely put no money at all into the club. In 2 weeks except for the loan signing of Greene, they have achieved nothing but separate club from land assets, not even sign Bowyer to a new contract despite that being a stated objective from 6 weeks ago and Bowyers desire. 

    I think it entirely understandable questions are coming out rather than blind optimism.  

    Doesn't meand people don't still have hope they are the real deal, doesn't mean it is negative and doesn't mean people are bed wetters.  MS said he would always be honest with fans and explain decisions so it is only fair to give him that chance.

    Things would suggest so far Southall has not been totally honest.
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    There’s no questions need answering


    this is the biggest problem people poking their noses where it’s not needed 

    If people stop looking for negative news stories to break to feel important you will all feel better in the long run 


    disagree. this is a fundamental question. first he says they bought The Valley with Sparrows Lane to follow. now he says that currently they have bought neither. if that doesn't bother you then fine but it sure as hell bothers me. 


    Finding all that out in the first 2 months is important why 

    There’s bitterness and trouble making a foot 

    fall for it at your peril 
    Because Matt Southall has made two contradictory statements about whether ESI own the Valley. That should be enough to justify asking for clarification.

    And if, as it seems, Duchatelet still owns the land on which the Valley is built, what happens IF the purchase by ESI fails to happen for some reason? If you know something that allows you to be relaxed about that, good for you, but it's worrying for me and others.

    I really want ESI to succeed. I'm not bitter, not trying to make trouble. I am worried and looking for assurance. 
  • You have nothing to worry about 


  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    You have nothing to worry about 


     Why not come out with the ownership state of affairs straight off the bat then mate?

    We are a very wounded animal. They've done plenty of talking. Time to start walking.
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    What colour scarves should we wear to the Fulham game?
  • I’m (almost) with @AFKABartram on this. It’s not an issue until it’s time to conclude that part of the deal. 

    I’m just slightly concerned that after supposedly looking at how the fanbase has been “misled” by prior owners, and stating they want to fix that, they start out by once again misleading the fans. Deliberately or not, it just reminds us of what we thought we’d just got rid of.