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Who`s to blame?

fenn3098
fenn3098 Posts: 171
in General Charlton

After the joy of waving goodbye to RD and the exciting news of our new owners I feel like VAR has declared it offside.

But who is to blame for our current position, RD,Lee Bowyer? injuries? Chelsea? or our new owners backfired gamble in Jan?

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  • bazjonster
    bazjonster Posts: 2,875
    edited March 2020
    https://youtu.be/pekhxxngQ3s

    'Aspirations in the clouds, but your hopes go down the drain' 

    The life of a Charlton supporter!  ;)
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,736
    A combination of all you have mentioned 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,401
    Our defenders, if you read half the comments on here
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,672
    We need to keep Bowyer and give him a proper transfer window, even if we go down. Whether ESI have the power to deliver that, I'm not sure.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,798
    Were we relegated yesterday.?
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,856
    Bedsaddick said:
    Were we relegated yesterday.?
    Agree...let’s not forget survival is still in our own hands, gonna be a rollercoaster till the end of the season
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,998
    We were relegated after the Wigan away game, when the squad was found out or lack of one.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,924
    Bedsaddick said:
    Were we relegated yesterday.?
    The OP didn't ask though "who is responsible for us being relegated?" though - they asked "who is to blame for our current position?".

    To put that position in perspective, it is one that has changed from being 14/1 to go down to being odds on shots to do so. It's one where we were beating the likes of Leeds, Brentford and Derby to losing to fellow relegation candidates Sheffield Wednesday (their one and only win in last 10 matches), Huddersfield and Middlesbrough. It's one where we've picked up 9 points from our last 14 matches and that is relegation form. 

    I was convinced that following the window and with players such as Taylor coming back we would be safe. I'm not so certain now.

    On the basis of the above, I don't think that the question is an unfair one.
  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    charlton_hero said:
    We need to keep Bowyer and give him a proper transfer window, even if we go down. Whether ESI have the power to deliver that, I'm not sure.
    Absolutely spot on - and we need to keep the faith with Bowyer himself. He hasn’t always got tactics & squads right but he is still relatively inexperienced and has all that is required to be a great manager if he is given support and backing.

    I think we are down already and am looking forward to LB building a squad that can keep us in the Championship next time - one that doesn’t vanish, or get sold at the end of the season like last summer.
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,031
    Chelsea. They took back our best player.

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  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    Oh and we need to start playing 442 / 451 and ditch the diamond 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,830
    @AFKABartram
  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    And let us not underestimate the hex that the fried bread deviation from the path of the true toast has produced.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,786
    EveshamAddick said:
    Chelsea. They took back our best player.
    He was THEIR player. If you build your team around loans then you run that risk. We've been doing it for the past few seasons & one reason why we are in this mess  Every July we have to re-build a squad as 5 or 6 key players have to be replaced without us able to do anything about it. We were lucky to get Cullen back this season and even luckier to get him AND Bielik the previous one.

    As for the original question. Injuries & LB - 50/50.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,897
    Roland. We had an undersized squad which lacked quality to compete with pound land medical team. Esi on paper could have done better but we don’t know what happened. I would like to think they tried to get players in but clubs wanted silly money rather than no effort or money. August will give an indication of that.  But I blame Roland and solely Roland.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,116
    edited March 2020
    golfaddick said:
    EveshamAddick said:
    Chelsea. They took back our best player.
    He was THEIR player. If you build your team around loans then you run that risk. We've been doing it for the past few seasons & one reason why we are in this mess  Every July we have to re-build a squad as 5 or 6 key players have to be replaced without us able to do anything about it. We were lucky to get Cullen back this season and even luckier to get him AND Bielik the previous one.

    As for the original question. Injuries & LB - 50/50.
    I agree with the points you've made, but not your conclusion. Having explained the problem of having to rebuild the squad each season because our dependency on loanees, it seems quite inadequate to suddenly switch to 'Injuries & LB - 50/50'.  What about those who put us at risk of those injuries, exacerbating them and possibly even causing some of them? Those same people who have placed Bowyer in a position where he doesn't have adequate tools to do the job? 

    I've half a mind to say that it's mainly Roly's as fault he's the one who chronically underfunded the squad each year. He's the one under whose stewardship we played for months with a depleted squad. Next up comes Easy Street who could have done something more substantial to mitigate the risk that a parent club could at anytime recall their player. But that would be unfair on any of them. As much as I hate what Roly did to our club, I don't feel it's fair to expect one man, even a multi-millionaire, to be in a position where they should keep overpaying just to keep a club up.  The truth of the matter is that football finances are ridiculously out of kilter. Clubs have to spend on players far in excess of their intrinsic value just in the hope of 'achieving' 21st place.

    I'm no fan of serfdom, but things have been on the slide since Jimmy Hill's PFA broke the wages structure in 1961. This situation was greatly worsened with the splitting off of the Prem and has been made worse still with every subsequent tv deal. The football authorities, enthralled by the potential profitability at the top of the game and by seven figure enumerations for the frankly ordinary blazered bureaucrats, have done precious little to protect the game at its historically fundamental level of operation - the league.  Instead they have allowed a system of massive overpayments to players and agents to the point where there is not one player in the league who is not overpaid.

    You could argue that it's Roly or Matt's fault for not playing the game and shelling out on a suitable squad, but ultimately it's a systemic failure and it's not going to go away.   
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,638
    Thatcher 
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,868
    We can get out of this 
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,048
    DaveMehmet said:
    Thatcher 
    No, the Romans.

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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,048
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
    You’re right but that doesn’t mean Bowyer is necessarily the right man to manage the club.
  • Horsfield9
    Horsfield9 Posts: 3,082
    My dad , should never have taken me as a wide eyed innocent , to Charlton as my first ever football match , in 1968 , didn't even bloody win then either!
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,216
    No-one to blame yet, we haven't gone down. 

    We were always going to be in a relegation scrap. We had a great start to the season which got our hopes up and got lucky with Gallagher. 

    If we hadnt had a good start we wouldn't be having the conversation now. Also if esi hadn't bought us with our hopes of saudi money we wouldn't be having this conversation now as wouldn't have expected any signings from Roland. 

    Allowed to be disappointed at the January transfer window though. 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,308
    The supporters?
    A vast bulk that are constantly negative and seem not to know what their role is.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    EveshamAddick said:
    Chelsea. They took back our best player.
    Does anyone know the exact reason(s) why they brought Gallagher back?
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,501
    We were relegated after the Sheff Wed game. Something happened between then and Luton at home.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,592
    I thought Brexit was to blame for everything?

    It's an ongoing list of blame and everyone has to take their share of it. Owners, management and players. I'm a fan of Bowyer and even if we go down he should stay, but he still has to take some of the blame because of decisions he has made in what I believe have been his mistakes in team selection. 

    Yes ESI have done far to much loud shouting without backing it up. But it's been a very short time and as many CAFC fans were happy to "lets wait until the summer/transfer window " ad nauseum under Roland, it's a bit difficult to then condemn ESI at this early stage.

    Ultimately this situation all stems from RD's mismanagement and it's going to take time to rectify. If things don't improve after a bit, then it's time to move all the blame over to ESI and/or the manager.
  • DagenhamAddick
    DagenhamAddick Posts: 468
    Coronavirus And Worldwide Recession: Abu Dhabi pulls investment due to slowing down overseas investment. ESI walk. Club back to RD. 
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,341
    Horsfield9 said:
    My dad , should never have taken me as a wide eyed innocent , to Charlton as my first ever football match , in 1968 , didn't even bloody win then either
    My first game was 1968! What could have been had he taken me somewhere else. Could be worse could have been Selhurst Park

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