I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
You’re right but that doesn’t mean Bowyer is necessarily the right man to manage the club.
That weren't the question asked by the op though was it. They asked "Who's to blame"
KM is to blame for all of it in my opinion. You could argue that RD is because he gave her the job in the 1st place, but everything stems from her incompetence and her inability to present the needs of the managers to Roland.
I think Roland's ownership could/would have been very different if he had put a half way compitant CEO in place. We might also be saying this about ESI in a few months/years.
I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
You’re right but that doesn’t mean Bowyer is necessarily the right man to manage the club.
That weren't the question asked by the op though was it. They asked "Who's to blame"
I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
You’re right but that doesn’t mean Bowyer is necessarily the right man to manage the club.
That weren't the question asked by the op though was it. They asked "Who's to blame"
There's no point 'blaming' anyone, its not a blame culture - we just need to do what we need to do to get out of the friggin situation.
We are feeling the effects of a post-Roland hangover. We have half a squad that I’m now having serious doubts would be guaranteed a top six spot in the league below.
I was convinced earlier this season that we are good enough to stay up and I still believe we have a strong chance (more to do with how badly Hull et al are playing rather than our ability) but if we ultimately fail, the fault lays squarely at Roland’s door.
No way would we have got promoted last season had Arsenal recalled Bielik in January, as Chelsea did with Gallagher.
Were we too dependent on loans? Yes clearly. And was that any kind of dependable strategy in the long term? Obviously not - a relegation back to the third tier was only a matter of time.
Bowyer and ESI deserve two or three more windows to build a proper squad, no matter what league we are in.
Sorry,I really don’t go with the fact that this squad is not good enough for lower mid table at worst. We were going along fine, then injuries put a stop to those good times. But, the players who have come back from injury are pale shadows of those that departed. We lost Ferrari’s and got back Vauxhall Corsa,s. Is this down to the individual players, or to the management. Possibly a combination of both.... it was a poor January window, it makes the signing of Josh Parker look like great business. But, we should not be where we are. In my view 40% fucked by players and 60% by Bowyer.
Sorry,I really don’t go with the fact that this squad is not good enough for lower mid table at worst. We were going along fine, then injuries put a stop to those good times. But, the players who have come back from injury are pale shadows of those that departed. We lost Ferrari’s and got back Vauxhall Corsa,s. Is this down to the individual players, or to the management. Possibly a combination of both.... it was a poor January window, it makes the signing of Josh Parker look like great business. But, we should not be where we are. In my view 40% fucked by players and 60% by Bowyer.
Nothing to do with the last decade of shit ownership then?
I blame RD and the way he neglected the Club, to be dealt with by someone else (Yes questions still need to also be asked of ESI blah blah). Loads of ifs, buts and maybes, but to actually blame Bowyer for the position of the Club is well fuckin short sighted imo
You’re right but that doesn’t mean Bowyer is necessarily the right man to manage the club.
That weren't the question asked by the op though was it. They asked "Who's to blame"
There's no point 'blaming' anyone, its not a blame culture - we just need to do what we need to do to get out of the friggin situation.
I know you ain't here to reply to this but, I was simply answering the question that the op posed, from my position on the subject. Which is that if I would blame anyone it would be RD, and certainly not Bowyer at this point.
Blame lies with Matt Southall and ESI. Clear as day to see what we needed, talked the talk and failed massively to deliver.
Hard to disagree.
Made a big song and dance about not buying the valley and sparrows and also reluctance to get Bowyer signed up due to the impending transfer window and a 'lot to do' The reality was they did pretty much bugger all!
There really is something of the car salesman about the fella
RD gave Bowyer and co an impossible job in the summer; ESI put the nail in the coffin in January. Imagine being Bowyer or a player and the CEO talking about amazing deals then seeing the shit we bought through the door; it must be massively de-spiriting.
Matt Southall and ESI. We went into the window needing strengthening and we come out of it weaker. Matt Southall is hugely out of his depth, the fact fans sing his name is truly bizarre !!
The bare fact is that if RD had come out of the window having acquired players like Green, McGeady and Davis, then he would have got pelters on here.
It was so obvious that (especially having lost Gallagher), that the club and supporters needed a quality 'marque' signing that gave the whole place a lift - that never happened, and look at the effect it has had.
The only glimmer of hope we have, is that Hull continue to decline at a rate of knots, and Barnsley and Luton continue to falter - otherwise we are doomed a slow death.
Emile Smith-Rowe of Arsenal would have been a good option, as he joined Huddersfield on the 10th Jan.
Has played a lot in Europe, and is a similar midfield player to Gallagher, in that he is young, fit, hungry, versatile and can get around the pitch at pace.
Pretty much the exact opposite of McGeady you might say.
He was THEIR player. If you build your team around loans then you run that risk. We've been doing it for the past few seasons & one reason why we are in this mess Every July we have to re-build a squad as 5 or 6 key players have to be replaced without us able to do anything about it. We were lucky to get Cullen back this season and even luckier to get him AND Bielik the previous one.
As for the original question. Injuries & LB - 50/50.
Just about every team in the Championship seems to have a full contingent of loans. Its not just us.
75% Roland - you don’t need me to tell you the damage he done over the six years was never going to be repaired in the space of a month, our current form and lack of confidence is simply the chickens coming home to roost. Look at the mammoth job that’s gotta be done in the summer regardless of division, the contract renewals alone.
15% Injuries - lets not forget all momentum was sucked out of us due to this, without the big crisis we may have had an extra 6-10 points on the board by now, I guess we’ll never know, but no way you can deny it’s relevance.
5% Chelsea - the window has exposed just how much Gallagher meant to this season, if you didn’t like Chelsea before Jan 2020 you should hate em by now. It doesn’t matter that it’s only one 19 year old, his influence was massive, and could have been the difference.
5% Bowyer and ESI - I say this with a heavy heart. And before you spit your coffee out, I want Bowyer to stay and will give ESI every chance in the summer. BUT, could Bowyer of pushed more for investment in jan? Could he of said to Southall, we’re fucked if you don’t invest, or maybe he did, and they said no, again that we simply just don’t know, so they can share that fraction of blame for now. And the reason it’s such a small fraction is because Bowyer worked miracles to get us there in the first place, and ESI haven’t had the time let’s be honest.
75% Roland - you don’t need me to tell you the damage he done over the six years was never going to be repaired in the space of a month, our current form and lack of confidence is simply the chickens coming home to roost. Look at the mammoth job that’s gotta be done in the summer regardless of division, the contract renewals alone.
15% Injuries - lets not forget all momentum was sucked out of us due to this, without the big crisis we may have had an extra 6-10 points on the board by now, I guess we’ll never know, but no way you can deny it’s relevance.
5% Chelsea - the window has exposed just how much Gallagher meant to this season, if you didn’t like Chelsea before Jan 2020 you should hate em by now. It doesn’t matter that it’s only one 19 year old, his influence was massive, and could have been the difference.
5% Bowyer and ESI - I say this with a heavy heart. And before you spit your coffee out, I want Bowyer to stay and will give ESI every chance in the summer. BUT, could Bowyer of pushed more for investment in jan? Could he of said to Southall, we’re fucked if you don’t invest, or maybe he did, and they said no, again that we simply just don’t know, so they can share that fraction of blame for now. And the reason it’s such a small fraction is because Bowyer worked miracles to get us there in the first place, and ESI haven’t had the time let’s be honest.
75% Roland - you don’t need me to tell you the damage he done over the six years was never going to be repaired in the space of a month, our current form and lack of confidence is simply the chickens coming home to roost. Look at the mammoth job that’s gotta be done in the summer regardless of division, the contract renewals alone.
15% Injuries - lets not forget all momentum was sucked out of us due to this, without the big crisis we may have had an extra 6-10 points on the board by now, I guess we’ll never know, but no way you can deny it’s relevance.
5% Chelsea - the window has exposed just how much Gallagher meant to this season, if you didn’t like Chelsea before Jan 2020 you should hate em by now. It doesn’t matter that it’s only one 19 year old, his influence was massive, and could have been the difference.
5% Bowyer and ESI - I say this with a heavy heart. And before you spit your coffee out, I want Bowyer to stay and will give ESI every chance in the summer. BUT, could Bowyer of pushed more for investment in jan? Could he of said to Southall, we’re fucked if you don’t invest, or maybe he did, and they said no, again that we simply just don’t know, so they can share that fraction of blame for now. And the reason it’s such a small fraction is because Bowyer worked miracles to get us there in the first place, and ESI haven’t had the time let’s be honest.
How do you know it was down to Chelski? Gallagher looked totally gone in the last few games for us. Our midfield was almost non-existent and the boy got no support, plus which he was getting kicked from arsehole to breakfast time. He'd burnt out and I also heard HE (or maybe his agent?) requested a move.
75% Roland - you don’t need me to tell you the damage he done over the six years was never going to be repaired in the space of a month, our current form and lack of confidence is simply the chickens coming home to roost. Look at the mammoth job that’s gotta be done in the summer regardless of division, the contract renewals alone.
15% Injuries - lets not forget all momentum was sucked out of us due to this, without the big crisis we may have had an extra 6-10 points on the board by now, I guess we’ll never know, but no way you can deny it’s relevance.
5% Chelsea - the window has exposed just how much Gallagher meant to this season, if you didn’t like Chelsea before Jan 2020 you should hate em by now. It doesn’t matter that it’s only one 19 year old, his influence was massive, and could have been the difference.
5% Bowyer and ESI - I say this with a heavy heart. And before you spit your coffee out, I want Bowyer to stay and will give ESI every chance in the summer. BUT, could Bowyer of pushed more for investment in jan? Could he of said to Southall, we’re fucked if you don’t invest, or maybe he did, and they said no, again that we simply just don’t know, so they can share that fraction of blame for now. And the reason it’s such a small fraction is because Bowyer worked miracles to get us there in the first place, and ESI haven’t had the time let’s be honest.
We all know that Roland did not do enough in the last summer transfer window. But we all expected that. So now I hold ESI responsible. They got involved in the club knowing what Roland had done, and have not splashed the cash to address the issues. If they never had the money to buy the club lock stock and barrel and then spend in the transfer window they should not have taken on the running of the team . Owners who talk about sustainable budgets are owners who do not have the money to run a football club. No club in the Championship has a sustainable budget and rely on owners putting in vast sums of money, most will break the FFP rules or find ways round them.
Would love to know who was available in January that could have replaced Conor Gallagher. Answers on a postcard...
Id also like people to stop thinking that the January Transfer Window is a good time to do business and that ESI are at fault for not doing better
When they then respond with: "But Huddersfield signed played" they need to realise one of two things:
(1) Huddersfield havent pulled away themselves (2) thats ONE club out of 92 teams
Based on the second point that is not a good example as the majority of clubs in the Football League barely did any better themselves
The second factor is Hull City, they're the one club that sold their two best players and werent able to buy replacements with all that money they got for them, look now how they've gone from play-off challengers to relegation battlers
Had Burton sold us Fraser, had Peterborough sold us Toney then they too would have struggled to replace those two players and may themselves have had their seasons ended in the same way as Hull have done
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I think Roland's ownership could/would have been very different if he had put a half way compitant CEO in place. We might also be saying this about ESI in a few months/years.
I was convinced earlier this season that we are good enough to stay up and I still believe we have a strong chance (more to do with how badly Hull et al are playing rather than our ability) but if we ultimately fail, the fault lays squarely at Roland’s door.
No way would we have got promoted last season had Arsenal recalled Bielik in January, as Chelsea did with Gallagher.
Were we too dependent on loans? Yes clearly. And was that any kind of dependable strategy in the long term? Obviously not - a relegation back to the third tier was only a matter of time.
Bowyer and ESI deserve two or three more windows to build a proper squad, no matter what league we are in.
Made a big song and dance about not buying the valley and sparrows and also reluctance to get Bowyer signed up due to the impending transfer window and a 'lot to do'
The reality was they did pretty much bugger all!
There really is something of the car salesman about the fella
It was so obvious that (especially having lost Gallagher), that the club and supporters needed a quality 'marque' signing that gave the whole place a lift - that never happened, and look at the effect it has had.
The only glimmer of hope we have, is that Hull continue to decline at a rate of knots, and Barnsley and Luton continue to falter - otherwise we are doomed a slow death.
Has played a lot in Europe, and is a similar midfield player to Gallagher, in that he is young, fit, hungry, versatile and can get around the pitch at pace.
Pretty much the exact opposite of McGeady you might say.
Just about every team in the Championship seems to have a full contingent of loans. Its not just us.
15% Injuries - lets not forget all momentum was sucked out of us due to this, without the big crisis we may have had an extra 6-10 points on the board by now, I guess we’ll never know, but no way you can deny it’s relevance.
5% Chelsea - the window has exposed just how much Gallagher meant to this season, if you didn’t like Chelsea before Jan 2020 you should hate em by now. It doesn’t matter that it’s only one 19 year old, his influence was massive, and could have been the difference.
5% Bowyer and ESI - I say this with a heavy heart. And before you spit your coffee out, I want Bowyer to stay and will give ESI every chance in the summer. BUT, could Bowyer of pushed more for investment in jan? Could he of said to Southall, we’re fucked if you don’t invest, or maybe he did, and they said no, again that we simply just don’t know, so they can share that fraction of blame for now. And the reason it’s such a small fraction is because Bowyer worked miracles to get us there in the first place, and ESI haven’t had the time let’s be honest.
When they then respond with: "But Huddersfield signed played" they need to realise one of two things:
(1) Huddersfield havent pulled away themselves
(2) thats ONE club out of 92 teams
Based on the second point that is not a good example as the majority of clubs in the Football League barely did any better themselves
The second factor is Hull City, they're the one club that sold their two best players and werent able to buy replacements with all that money they got for them, look now how they've gone from play-off challengers to relegation battlers
Had Burton sold us Fraser, had Peterborough sold us Toney then they too would have struggled to replace those two players and may themselves have had their seasons ended in the same way as Hull have done