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Derek1952
Derek1952 Posts: 779
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According to the BBC over 70s are goning made to self isolate for a number of weeks. I know this virus is dangerous,but this is going to upset a lott of 70+ people
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,772
    Yes, spoke to my disabled mum last night and she is not going to be happy. But I think she will go along with it when it is properly explained and it isn't me overacting. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,385
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,485
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    It seems unlikely the government have thought this through - at least it gets a headline.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,385
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    It seems unlikely the government have thought this through - at least it gets a headline.
    thing is, no-one knows .. perhaps the disease travels and infects more easily than anyone knows, perhaps the Govt knows more than it is telling to avoid panic .. cliché time ..  only time will tell
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,485
    Lincsaddick said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    It seems unlikely the government have thought this through - at least it gets a headline.
    thing is, no-one knows .. perhaps the disease travels and infects more easily than anyone knows, perhaps the Govt knows more than it is telling to avoid panic .. cliché time ..  only time will tell
    The whole idea seems half arsed. How will they identify the over 70s given we don't carry id papers.

    Who will do the shopping, get medicines etc.

    Our authorities seem to be clutching at straws and just want to appear to be doing something.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,062
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    Hope you’ve got a good supply of books mate ... I know you normally have a few 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,062
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    It seems unlikely the government have thought this through - at least it gets a headline.
    thing is, no-one knows .. perhaps the disease travels and infects more easily than anyone knows, perhaps the Govt knows more than it is telling to avoid panic .. cliché time ..  only time will tell
    The whole idea seems half arsed. How will they identify the over 70s given we don't carry id papers.

    Who will do the shopping, get medicines etc.

    Our authorities seem to be clutching at straws and just want to appear to be doing something.
    Indeed ... many over 80’s don’t have access to the internet ... how do they get their shopping ... even with internet access, there are up to two weeks waiting lists for online shopping slots. 
  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,963
    No knowledge, but I think if herd immunisation is to work then self isolation will be wider than 70, think they will add in those younger with heart, lung etc conditions, otherwise the death rate will rise to high. As I say no knowledge.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,385
    edited March 2020
    stonemuse said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    Hope you’ve got a good supply of books mate ... I know you normally have a few 
    stonemuse said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    Hope you’ve got a good supply of books mate ... I know you normally have a few 

    plenty of books both to read and reread thanks my friend .. quite a few dvds and lots of stuff on the telly and the BBC ..  I am about to cancel my sky/bt sports subs as there is no need  .. what I will miss is face to face meets and just getting out and about .. 
    It's not a case of being chicken or being brave, isolation will be a case of being practical in an attempt to preserve myself and other people. I have type 2 diabetes and mild copd, so, am theoretically a high risk individual, though both 'complaints' are under good control.

    As I opined above, no-one really knows the full facts about this disease and I am sure that everyone,  not just the ancient and justified (lol) will have to change their entire lifestyles sooner or later.

    Anyway, 'the word' to hunker down has not yet been given, so I am off for a walk. I may be some time ((:>)

    @stonemuse , take good care of yourself and your loved ones, and that goes for everybody on here. This might all blow over soon, but I doubt it 

    Just to add about @hoof_it_up_to_benty 's remark about identifying the over 70s .. there are databases and filing cabinets full of info about MOST of us. 'They' know where we are and what we are up to, what pensions we get, our health records etc. etc.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,846
    not sure about this. what of the people who are over the age of 70 but live with people under the age of 70? they can still go out, pick up the virus and bring it back with them unintentionally.  

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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    not sure about this. what of the people who are over the age of 70 but live with people under the age of 70? they can still go out, pick up the virus and bring it back with them unintentionally.  
    Maybe it's an attempt to limit those who contract it. 
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    no food,no medicine------no fucking chance

    how many will die from isolation ?

    probably 20% of this village are 70,about the same % of our volunteers are that age.We do a coffee morning where people who support their loved ones who have dementia can get out ,do shopping etc---what about them ?

    The Italians have said they wont treat the old who have the virus----or they are a low priority-----didnt believe it really but this is the UK version.

    Said days back i feared for our society with arseholes stock pilling etc what have we become if we walk away from the elderly ?

  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,846
    this will be a devastating for someone i know. they have mental health issues and often need to get out of the house just to calm the panic attacks and to try and take their mind off certain things. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,772
    Goonerhater said:
    no food,no medicine------no fucking chance

    how many will die from isolation ?

    probably 20% of this village are 70,about the same % of our volunteers are that age.We do a coffee morning where people who support their loved ones who have dementia can get out ,do shopping etc---what about them ?

    The Italians have said they wont treat the old who have the virus----or they are a low priority-----didnt believe it really but this is the UK version.

    Said days back i feared for our society with arseholes stock pilling etc what have we become if we walk away from the elderly ?

    If you have 10 people who need intensive care and only have the capacity to treat 3 or 4, then you have to prioritise. What else do you do?
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    always been that way ,but saying a section of society is less of a priority hasn't
  • JohnfromNorfolk
    JohnfromNorfolk Posts: 1,324
    Lincsaddick said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    I am 70 and am not looking forward to this at all .. right now, there are ZERO reported cases in the whole of Lincolnshire (things change so quickly) .. who knows how soon, if ever, the disease will be totally out of control .. anyway, what will be will be .. I have stored away quite a bit of canned food and my freezers are full, just in case .. we will see
    It seems unlikely the government have thought this through - at least it gets a headline.
    thing is, no-one knows .. perhaps the disease travels and infects more easily than anyone knows, perhaps the Govt knows more than it is telling to avoid panic .. cliché time ..  only time will tell
    I agree Lincs. I think the disease travels and infects more easily than we are being told. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,795
    Not a dig here, as who the hell knows what the perfect course of action is. 

    However for those who don't agree with this, what else would you do instead? Bareing in mind a lot of people are going to catch this, and the over 70s are most likely to die from it if they do.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,914
    Wow, some massive over-reactions here.

    If people over 70 are more likely to die from it then doesn't it make sense to try to keep them safer by isolating them away from people who might infect them? How is that forgetting about them?

    But if you're over 70 and want to take your chances then go for it. I'm sure nobody will stop you. There will be no Gestapo on the streets checking passports.


  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    how many of them will die from isolation,missing hospital appointments etc

    many elderly dont ask for help two weeks ago we went and reset an elderly ladies power ,when we asked it had been off for two days !she didn't like to bother anyone !! her freezer was empty 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,914
    I don't know mate. Do you?

    So what's the answer then? Carry on as normal, let them catch it and take their chances with the higher mortality rate?

    Then people would moan that nothing was done.

    In the absence of anything else this sounds like a reasonable plan. It's down to the rest of us to make sure they are ok. Let's not take any chances. Look after those around you.

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,350
    Goonerhater said:
    how many of them will die from isolation,missing hospital appointments etc

    many elderly dont ask for help two weeks ago we went and reset an elderly ladies power ,when we asked it had been off for two days !she didn't like to bother anyone !! her freezer was empty 
    Hopefully none at all.  I don't know whether "isolation", per se can be a cause of death. And self-isolation means not going out unless necessary; it doesn't mean not going out even if you need to go to hospital.  

    This measure seems very sensible to me.  It seems to be aimed at protecting the most vulnerable - i.e. making sure that older people are given the best chance possible of not catching the virus.  It doesn't help the rest of the community; but the rest of the community is broadly better-equipped to handle the symptoms and to overcome the illness. 

    For elderly people, it offers good protection.  For younger people, with elderly relatives, it's something of a relief.  But the issue - as highlighted above - is the situation where you have, in one household, elderly people, people who work and/or people at school: it doesn't seem to offer much help in those circumstances. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,914
    edited March 2020
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    not sure about this. what of the people who are over the age of 70 but live with people under the age of 70? they can still go out, pick up the virus and bring it back with them unintentionally.  
    But that could happen anyway, couldn't it?  However, if they are only in contact with one or two people over a two week period then surely their chances of catching it are greatly reduced compared to going out as normal and coming into contact with 50, 60, 100 people. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,967
    Chizz said:
    Goonerhater said:
    how many of them will die from isolation,missing hospital appointments etc

    many elderly dont ask for help two weeks ago we went and reset an elderly ladies power ,when we asked it had been off for two days !she didn't like to bother anyone !! her freezer was empty 
    Hopefully none at all.  I don't know whether "isolation", per se can be a cause of death. And self-isolation means not going out unless necessary; it doesn't mean not going out even if you need to go to hospital.  

    This measure seems very sensible to me.  It seems to be aimed at protecting the most vulnerable - i.e. making sure that older people are given the best chance possible of not catching the virus.  It doesn't help the rest of the community; but the rest of the community is broadly better-equipped to handle the symptoms and to overcome the illness. 

    For elderly people, it offers good protection.  For younger people, with elderly relatives, it's something of a relief.  But the issue - as highlighted above - is the situation where you have, in one household, elderly people, people who work and/or people at school: it doesn't seem to offer much help in those circumstances. 
    I've no idea what the numbers are, but I imagine the vast number of elderly people live alone, and a few of those living with children might live in a granny flat anyway, so already have a significant level of isolation.

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,889
    Woy won't be happy!
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469


    I am over 70 and live alone, I love walking go to the shops most days always want to be independent, my big worry is having to rely on  other people for my shopping, medicine if I have a problem with my house and need  someone urgently to come and repair something, I have an elderly cat she could need to go to the vets, I don't suppose the vet would pay a house visit.

    If everyone over  70 has to isolate the House Of Lords would be nearly empty that would be a good thing.

  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,350
    killerandflash said:
    Chizz said:
    Goonerhater said:
    how many of them will die from isolation,missing hospital appointments etc

    many elderly dont ask for help two weeks ago we went and reset an elderly ladies power ,when we asked it had been off for two days !she didn't like to bother anyone !! her freezer was empty 
    Hopefully none at all.  I don't know whether "isolation", per se can be a cause of death. And self-isolation means not going out unless necessary; it doesn't mean not going out even if you need to go to hospital.  

    This measure seems very sensible to me.  It seems to be aimed at protecting the most vulnerable - i.e. making sure that older people are given the best chance possible of not catching the virus.  It doesn't help the rest of the community; but the rest of the community is broadly better-equipped to handle the symptoms and to overcome the illness. 

    For elderly people, it offers good protection.  For younger people, with elderly relatives, it's something of a relief.  But the issue - as highlighted above - is the situation where you have, in one household, elderly people, people who work and/or people at school: it doesn't seem to offer much help in those circumstances. 
    I've no idea what the numbers are, but I imagine the vast number of elderly people live alone, and a few of those living with children might live in a granny flat anyway, so already have a significant level of isolation.

    "Living alone" is very different from "self-isolation" though.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    @Goonerhater

    I’m probably missing something here. I don’t understand your vitriol towards asking the over seventies to self isolate. It’s their best chance of avoiding contracting the virus. Tough and will need family a community support but still the safest strategy for that vulnerable group. Sadly in Italy there were choices to be made regarding treatment of patients who needed ventilators. Six patients, four ventilators available. Who would you offer those ventilators to ? A sixty five year old or an 85 year old ? In a perfect world that wouldn’t be necessary and can you imagine how those Italian doctors felt in making choices. Currently this country has around 5000 ventilators but Matt Hancock has said we need and are trying to get many many more. It’s a different argument to say why the NHS has 5 x less ITU beds than Germany but it’s a fact. Given the logistical problems here why are you not supporting the over seventies isolating themselves. Am I getting you wrong 
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Johnnysummers5 said:


    I am over 70 and live alone, I love walking go to the shops most days always want to be independent, my big worry is having to rely on  other people for my shopping, medicine if I have a problem with my house and need  someone urgently to come and repair something, I have an elderly cat she could need to go to the vets, I don't suppose the vet would pay a house visit.

    If everyone over  70 has to isolate the House Of Lords would be nearly empty that would be a good thing.


    I have just tried booking home delivery with Sainsbury's no slots for the next 3 weeks
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,501
    I will self isolate......not too difficult for me.....live in a small country town.
    Take the dog out to the woods everyday (no need to get near anyone).......go shopping once a week, maybe even get Tesco’s to deliver?
    Have to go to the surgery to drop off my repeat prescription (which I could actually post through the outside letter box), and pharmacy once a month.
    Have today bought some throw away plastic gloves to wear at the supermarket.
    Quite confident I’ll be OK!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,889
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    @Goonerhater

    I’m probably missing something here. I don’t understand your vitriol towards asking the over seventies to self isolate. It’s their best chance of avoiding contracting the virus. Tough and will need family a community support but still the safest strategy for that vulnerable group. Sadly in Italy there were choices to be made regarding treatment of patients who needed ventilators. Six patients, four ventilators available. Who would you offer those ventilators to ? A sixty five year old or an 85 year old ? In a perfect world that wouldn’t be necessary and can you imagine how those Italian doctors felt in making choices. Currently this country has around 5000 ventilators but Matt Hancock has said we need and are trying to get many many more. It’s a different argument to say why the NHS has 5 x less ITU beds than Germany but it’s a fact. Given the logistical problems here why are you not supporting the over seventies isolating themselves. Am I getting you wrong 
    Johnnysummers5 said:
    Johnnysummers5 said:


    I am over 70 and live alone, I love walking go to the shops most days always want to be independent, my big worry is having to rely on  other people for my shopping, medicine if I have a problem with my house and need  someone urgently to come and repair something, I have an elderly cat she could need to go to the vets, I don't suppose the vet would pay a house visit.

    If everyone over  70 has to isolate the House Of Lords would be nearly empty that would be a good thing.


    I have just tried booking home delivery with Sainsbury's no slots for the next 3 weeks
    If the over 70s have to self isolate, priority should be given to them for home deliveries

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