I am surprised this ownership farce complete with its bitches, ditches, fake breasts and face sheikhs has not been picked up on more widely given the lack of sport to write about.
Its very bad PR for anyone who thinks they have a reputation to defend (not applicable to a wanker like Southall obviously) .
Joined for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I understand the points of concern about the trust. But this is the main vehicle for anything to be done around the company model if this is indeed possible. There is absolutely a place for CL and other fans forums, but for a fiver give 'em a chance to get something done . Christ we need it!
If everyone who came out of the woodwork for Wembley paid a fiver think of the war chest.
Joined for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I understand the points of concern about the trust. But this is the main vehicle for anything to be done around the company model if this is indeed possible. There is absolutely a place for CL and other fans forums, but for a fiver give 'em a chance to get something done . Christ we need it!
If everyone who came out of the woodwork for Wembley paid a fiver think of the war chest.
Joined for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I understand the points of concern about the trust. But this is the main vehicle for anything to be done around the company model if this is indeed possible. There is absolutely a place for CL and other fans forums, but for a fiver give 'em a chance to get something done . Christ we need it!
If everyone who came out of the woodwork for Wembley paid a fiver think of the war chest.
My problem with them was that they did not discipline an Executive Committee member when he was involved in an incident on a train with another supporter in 2014 which meant that they were both ejected from the train by the BTP. I felt that the fact that Richard Wiseman didn't take any formal action about this meant I couldn't continue in membership because I didn't want an Official body to have a poor man's Danny Dyer in an Official capacity when they needed to represent us with the club
I think that Dodger and co have a role to play also, but we need to keep formal channels of communication open which is why I have rejoined. This is the biggest crisis in the club since 1984.
I just hope the personal behaviour of the current Trust Board is better than in 2014
I joined the Trust Board in 2015 so have no idea about that train incident. We are a fairly mild-mannered bunch in my opinion, though we have plenty of robust discussions among ourselves and with others.
My problem with them was that they did not discipline an Executive Committee member when he was involved in an incident on a train with another supporter in 2014 which meant that they were both ejected from the train by the BTP. I felt that the fact that Richard Wiseman didn't take any formal action about this meant I couldn't continue in membership because I didn't want an Official body to have a poor man's Danny Dyer in an Official capacity when they needed to represent us with the club
Could there be anything that CAST do to somehow dedicate this initiative to Seb then perhaps many more will sign up to the cause?. It could be a fitting tribute to Seb
Nice idea to think of Seb, but personally I'm not really a fan of commemorating people with movements. They can turn out to be messy and then you never know if what you're doing truly represents what they would have wanted. And if it fails, which is always a possibility, it's not such a great tribute. Personally, I think a statue or other monument might be more fitting.
My problem with them was that they did not discipline an Executive Committee member when he was involved in an incident on a train with another supporter in 2014 which meant that they were both ejected from the train by the BTP. I felt that the fact that Richard Wiseman didn't take any formal action about this meant I couldn't continue in membership because I didn't want an Official body to have a poor man's Danny Dyer in an Official capacity when they needed to represent us with the club
I'm seriously considering becoming a member, but I do have some concerns about these plans for potential fan ownership. I appreciate it is early days, but if you could go into some more detail about this it would be greatly appreciated.
My main concern is how the structure would work, and who the people in charge would actually be.
Thanks
I don’t really see how any more details could be provided at this point and, if they could, would we really want to give the strategy away before we’re ready to play our hand?
Um yes, if they are asking, or will be asking for money?
I'm seriously considering becoming a member, but I do have some concerns about these plans for potential fan ownership. I appreciate it is early days, but if you could go into some more detail about this it would be greatly appreciated.
My main concern is how the structure would work, and who the people in charge would actually be.
Thanks
I don’t really see how any more details could be provided at this point and, if they could, would we really want to give the strategy away before we’re ready to play our hand?
Um yes, if they are asking, or will be asking for money?
Joined CAST when the wheels started to come off under Roland. £5 a year seemed to be the least I could do. The size of the voice this represents is key. Target 10k for starters?
Wish the fan ownership model could happen at Charlton. Can’t think of a better support base to take this forward.
48% investors 52% fans is it?
Early days to be talking percentages, but from memory Portsmouth Trust owned 48% which was made up of 1,000's of fans contributions of various amounts. The remaining 52% was still 'fan' owned I believe but by a number of wealthy fans (15 or so) who put in considerable sums each. Each side raised around £3m.
I'm seriously considering becoming a member, but I do have some concerns about these plans for potential fan ownership. I appreciate it is early days, but if you could go into some more detail about this it would be greatly appreciated.
My main concern is how the structure would work, and who the people in charge would actually be.
Thanks
I don’t really see how any more details could be provided at this point and, if they could, would we really want to give the strategy away before we’re ready to play our hand?
Um yes, if they are asking, or will be asking for money?
Way too early. There’ll have be quite a bit of research done, and talks with clubs like Portsmouth who have been down that route, before they can have a proper feel for how it would work.
‘The club were saved from liquidation after being bought out by the fan-owned Pompey Supporters Trust (PST). This made Portsmouth the largest fan-owned football club in England until 3 August 2017, when the PST sold it to The Tornante Company, an investment company owned by former Disney CEO Michael Eisner.’
In Argentina and Brazil almost all clubs are owned by their members on a not for profit basis.
In Germany a majority control by a single entity (person, or company) is not permitted by the German Football League. The law suggests a registered club should have minimum 7 members. The League requires that either a club, or a limited company which is controlled by a club with 50% + 1 vote can get a license to participate in the German 1st or 2nd division. There are exceptions though. In Spain the fan-owned pro teams are: Athletic Bilbao, Osasuna, Barcelona, Real Madrid.
I'm seriously considering becoming a member, but I do have some concerns about these plans for potential fan ownership. I appreciate it is early days, but if you could go into some more detail about this it would be greatly appreciated.
My main concern is how the structure would work, and who the people in charge would actually be.
Thanks
I don’t really see how any more details could be provided at this point and, if they could, would we really want to give the strategy away before we’re ready to play our hand?
Um yes, if they are asking, or will be asking for money?
Way too early. There’ll have be quite a bit of research done, and talks with clubs like Portsmouth who have been down that route, before they can have a proper feel for how it would work.
‘The club were saved from liquidation after being bought out by the fan-owned Pompey Supporters Trust (PST). This made Portsmouth the largest fan-owned football club in England until 3 August 2017, when the PST sold it to The Tornante Company, an investment company owned by former Disney CEO Michael Eisner.’
In Argentina and Brazil almost all clubs are owned by their members on a not for profit basis.
In Germany a majority control by a single entity (person, or company) is not permitted by the German Football League. The law suggests a registered club should have minimum 7 members. The League requires that either a club, or a limited company which is controlled by a club with 50% + 1 vote can get a license to participate in the German 1st or 2nd division. There are exceptions though. In Spain the fan-owned pro teams are: Athletic Bilbao, Osasuna, Barcelona, Real Madrid.
Just sayin’ (as they say).
Based on the (excellent) journalism of Tim Vickery the South American model is a nightmare with competing factions vying against each other to win the Club presidency vote that takes place every few years. Sounds pretty exciting though so I’m all in for this sort of ownership model at Charlton!
Wish the fan ownership model could happen at Charlton. Can’t think of a better support base to take this forward.
48% investors 52% fans is it?
Early days to be talking percentages, but from memory Portsmouth Trust owned 48% which was made up of 1,000's of fans contributions of various amounts. The remaining 52% was still 'fan' owned I believe but by a number of wealthy fans (15 or so) who put in considerable sums each. Each side raised around £3m.
For every day fans, how much are we talking to take ownership and how much do said fans have to contribute each year, bearing in mind most clubs in EFL lose around £5m+ a year.
I joined last week. No particular reason for not doing so before, other than inertia. But I do think the higher the membership the more it must bolster CAST's standing in any dealings with the club.
I'm seriously considering becoming a member, but I do have some concerns about these plans for potential fan ownership. I appreciate it is early days, but if you could go into some more detail about this it would be greatly appreciated.
My main concern is how the structure would work, and who the people in charge would actually be.
Thanks
I don’t really see how any more details could be provided at this point and, if they could, would we really want to give the strategy away before we’re ready to play our hand?
Um yes, if they are asking, or will be asking for money?
Way too early. There’ll have be quite a bit of research done, and talks with clubs like Portsmouth who have been down that route, before they can have a proper feel for how it would work.
‘The club were saved from liquidation after being bought out by the fan-owned Pompey Supporters Trust (PST). This made Portsmouth the largest fan-owned football club in England until 3 August 2017, when the PST sold it to The Tornante Company, an investment company owned by former Disney CEO Michael Eisner.’
In Argentina and Brazil almost all clubs are owned by their members on a not for profit basis.
In Germany a majority control by a single entity (person, or company) is not permitted by the German Football League. The law suggests a registered club should have minimum 7 members. The League requires that either a club, or a limited company which is controlled by a club with 50% + 1 vote can get a license to participate in the German 1st or 2nd division. There are exceptions though. In Spain the fan-owned pro teams are: Athletic Bilbao, Osasuna, Barcelona, Real Madrid.
Just sayin’ (as they say).
Your telling me this why? The German rules are great because everyone has to follow them.
Are any of these club's grounds owned by a Belgian business man who the fans have campaigned against for years? And who is asking North of £50 million for it?
Do any of these clubs require £21 million in the bank to cover less than 18 months running costs?
I don't think it's wrong to ask the question, which had already been answered, hence my appilogy post.
Wish the fan ownership model could happen at Charlton. Can’t think of a better support base to take this forward.
48% investors 52% fans is it?
Early days to be talking percentages, but from memory Portsmouth Trust owned 48% which was made up of 1,000's of fans contributions of various amounts. The remaining 52% was still 'fan' owned I believe but by a number of wealthy fans (15 or so) who put in considerable sums each. Each side raised around £3m.
For every day fans, how much are we talking to take ownership and how much do said fans have to contribute each year, bearing in mind most clubs in EFL lose around £5m+ a year.
My own personal opinion;
Seems £1 is the going rate to buy a club if not a negative amount.
Running costs though, In reality, in League 1 & League 2 with a decent sized regular support it's more than possible to be competitive and not lose much money (Pompey when fan owned weren't running at a loss I don't believe).
The championship is a different matter. RD had cut running costs to the bone and we know we pretty much had a bottom 3 budget yet were still losing 200k a month I believe if not a bit more, so on the assumption you don't make a profit on player sales thats your starting point.
Of course though, as we know, revenue was down BECAUSE OF RD's ownership and on that sort of budget you're unlikely to stay in the Championship for long.
Nobody is saying fan ownership is the route to the big time, nor that it is necessarily the right thing for CAFC right now. But we need to be prepared to step in IF that is what is required and is the best thing for the club.
Wish the fan ownership model could happen at Charlton. Can’t think of a better support base to take this forward.
48% investors 52% fans is it?
Early days to be talking percentages, but from memory Portsmouth Trust owned 48% which was made up of 1,000's of fans contributions of various amounts. The remaining 52% was still 'fan' owned I believe but by a number of wealthy fans (15 or so) who put in considerable sums each. Each side raised around £3m.
For every day fans, how much are we talking to take ownership and how much do said fans have to contribute each year, bearing in mind most clubs in EFL lose around £5m+ a year.
My own personal opinion;
Seems £1 is the going rate to buy a club if not a negative amount.
Running costs though, In reality, in League 1 & League 2 with a decent sized regular support it's more than possible to be competitive and not lose much money (Pompey when fan owned weren't running at a loss I don't believe).
The championship is a different matter. RD had cut running costs to the bone and we know we pretty much had a bottom 3 budget yet were still losing 200k a month I believe if not a bit more, so on the assumption you don't make a profit on player sales thats your starting point.
Of course though, as we know, revenue was down BECAUSE OF RD's ownership and on that sort of budget you're unlikely to stay in the Championship for long.
Nobody is saying fan ownership is the route to the big time, nor that it is necessarily the right thing for CAFC right now. But we need to be prepared to step in IF that is what is required and is the best thing for the club.
Would rather be in League One, sustainable and fan owned than another absolute charlatan/nutcase comes in and does something awful with our club (again).
Wish the fan ownership model could happen at Charlton. Can’t think of a better support base to take this forward.
48% investors 52% fans is it?
Early days to be talking percentages, but from memory Portsmouth Trust owned 48% which was made up of 1,000's of fans contributions of various amounts. The remaining 52% was still 'fan' owned I believe but by a number of wealthy fans (15 or so) who put in considerable sums each. Each side raised around £3m.
For every day fans, how much are we talking to take ownership and how much do said fans have to contribute each year, bearing in mind most clubs in EFL lose around £5m+ a year.
My own personal opinion;
Seems £1 is the going rate to buy a club if not a negative amount.
Running costs though, In reality, in League 1 & League 2 with a decent sized regular support it's more than possible to be competitive and not lose much money (Pompey when fan owned weren't running at a loss I don't believe).
The championship is a different matter. RD had cut running costs to the bone and we know we pretty much had a bottom 3 budget yet were still losing 200k a month I believe if not a bit more, so on the assumption you don't make a profit on player sales thats your starting point.
Of course though, as we know, revenue was down BECAUSE OF RD's ownership and on that sort of budget you're unlikely to stay in the Championship for long.
Nobody is saying fan ownership is the route to the big time, nor that it is necessarily the right thing for CAFC right now. But we need to be prepared to step in IF that is what is required and is the best thing for the club.
Would rather be in League One, sustainable and fan owned than another absolute charlatan/nutcase comes in and does something awful with our club (again).
I would rather be fan run AFC Charlton in the eighth tier of English football than be run by another chancer in the Championship.
My problem with them was that they did not discipline an Executive Committee member when he was involved in an incident on a train with another supporter in 2014 which meant that they were both ejected from the train by the BTP. I felt that the fact that Richard Wiseman didn't take any formal action about this meant I couldn't continue in membership because I didn't want an Official body to have a poor man's Danny Dyer in an Official capacity when they needed to represent us with the club
I know that you are joking but just to clarify it was not Prague Addick and I note that the individual concerned is no longer on the Board .
I was surprised that @PragueAddick gave me a LOL because the incident involved some pretty poor behaviour in front of some young supporters that I would not expect from a Trust Board member .That said , I was particularly impressed with the gender diversity and expertise in the new group .
My disappointment at the time was that an organisation who should be engaged in constructive relationships with the club needs to have good behaviour within it from its leading members to gain credibility .
Therefore , I see its role as complementary to the likes of Dodger who I see as being able to be more directly critical and maybe slightly edgier .
This is not a competition . We have the same objective and everyone can play a role in helping to secure our clubs future .
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Assume they are working the press angles too.
I am surprised this ownership farce complete with its bitches, ditches, fake breasts and face sheikhs has not been picked up on more widely given the lack of sport to write about.
Its very bad PR for anyone who thinks they have a reputation to defend (not applicable to a wanker like Southall obviously) .
So I've re-joined CAST.
I'm mostly heartbroken for the ones who have played such key roles over the last 4/5 years.
The effort was outstanding during the Roland times. It meant a lot and it's something to be proud about.
It must be so repetitive...but yet, those hardcore Charlton supporters keep going and keep fighting.
We all love the club.
Some people just deserve so much better then being on the recieving end of yet another load of absolute garbage. Feels like it never ends.
Good statement by CAST.
My problem with them was that they did not discipline an Executive Committee member when he was involved in an incident on a train with another supporter in 2014 which meant that they were both ejected from the train by the BTP. I felt that the fact that Richard Wiseman didn't take any formal action about this meant I couldn't continue in membership because I didn't want an Official body to have a poor man's Danny Dyer in an Official capacity when they needed to represent us with the club
I think that Dodger and co have a role to play also, but we need to keep formal channels of communication open which is why I have rejoined. This is the biggest crisis in the club since 1984.
I just hope the personal behaviour of the current Trust Board is better than in 2014
I joined the Trust Board in 2015 so have no idea about that train incident. We are a fairly mild-mannered bunch in my opinion, though we have plenty of robust discussions among ourselves and with others.
In Spain the fan-owned pro teams are: Athletic Bilbao, Osasuna, Barcelona, Real Madrid.
Are any of these club's grounds owned by a Belgian business man who the fans have campaigned against for years? And who is asking North of £50 million for it?
Do any of these clubs require £21 million in the bank to cover less than 18 months running costs?
I don't think it's wrong to ask the question, which had already been answered, hence my appilogy post.
Seems £1 is the going rate to buy a club
Running costs though, In reality, in League 1 & League 2 with a decent sized regular support it's more than possible to be competitive and not lose much money (Pompey when fan owned weren't running at a loss I don't believe).
The championship is a different matter. RD had cut running costs to the bone and we know we pretty much had a bottom 3 budget yet were still losing 200k a month I believe if not a bit more, so on the assumption you don't make a profit on player sales thats your starting point.
Of course though, as we know, revenue was down BECAUSE OF RD's ownership and on that sort of budget you're unlikely to stay in the Championship for long.
Nobody is saying fan ownership is the route to the big time, nor that it is necessarily the right thing for CAFC right now. But we need to be prepared to step in IF that is what is required and is the best thing for the club.
I was surprised that @PragueAddick gave me a LOL because the incident involved some pretty poor behaviour in front of some young supporters that I would not expect from a Trust Board member .That said , I was particularly impressed with the gender diversity and expertise in the new group .
My disappointment at the time was that an organisation who should be engaged in constructive relationships with the club needs to have good behaviour within it from its leading members to gain credibility .
Therefore , I see its role as complementary to the likes of Dodger who I see as being able to be more directly critical and maybe slightly edgier .
This is not a competition . We have the same objective and everyone can play a role in helping to secure our clubs future .