What about taking us to a 9th place finish in the champ with a threadbare squad and a league one budget, and then to a cup quarter with an even more threadbare squad?
finishing 9th without much dough spent the following season just 3 points off the play offs is easily forgotten now and that was the last time we were in the same division as palace, shameful
Powell knew how to motivate the players at key times. In that title winning season we beat Sheff Utd away in October, beat Huddersfield during their 6,000 game unbeaten run to knock them down a peg in November, beat both the Sheffield clubs within a week in January and MK Dons and Stevenage at home in Feb. Our record against the top 5 after us was excellent (won 6, drew 2, lost 2), and we always managed to time the big wins perfectly. The Stevenage loss came after a 12 match unbeaten start and the Huddersfield loss was late enough that it didn't matter.
We also got big character results at important times or when we weren't playing well. The Yeovil 3-2 on Boxing Day was incredible, and teams around us dropped points late that day while we gained them. The last minute Bournemouth away win was another huge points swing in injury time, and we dug deep for results in games like Exeter and Brentford away, and got points during scrappy games towards the end when the players were obviously tiring, pushing out Oldham, Walsall and Carlisle in consecutive 1-0s in tough games that easily could have seen us drop points and start to worry.
The next season we had no money but you could still see how well the players were motivated, the Cardiff win being the prime example but results against Leicester, Watford and Blackburn all away saw us continuing to grind out wins despite being a league up with hardly any reinforcements.
You don't get those kinds of performances and results over long seasons without having a good manager. I don't think Powell was perfect; he wasn't a great tactician, he didn't really know how to change a game, made his subs too late and was completely married to having two strikers up front to the exclusion of any other strategies. What he was though was a manager with an eye for a player, the capability to take players' talent and show them how to apply it regardless of where their confidence was, and motivate and encourage a team through key difficult periods. Not a perfect manager, but clearly a good one, most certainly for us
Good grief. What gave rise to this all of a sudden?
He just shat himself, while losing his virginity, in public, possibly due to a side effect of having the flu, and wanted to start a thread to take his mind off the embarrassment.
3 out of 4's not bad - so obviously still a virgin and for the good of manandwomankind staying that way for the remainder of its pitiful existence, joyless keyboard wanker.
Jesus, we have some weird supporters. Quiet news day, so I'll slag off a club legend and see if I can reignite a debate that's already been done to death. Not that there is a debate to be had, the facts speak for themselves:
- 5th highest budget in League 1, finished 1st, 101 points. So over-achieved by 4 places, with a gigantic points tally.
- Tony Jimenez runs out of cash, Lawrie Wilson is the only transfer fee we pay following promotion. Finishes 9th.
- Club on brink of administration, can't even afford to maintain the pitch properly. Then a Belgian idiot turns up and takes a sledgehammer to the squad. SCP takes us to an FA Cup Quarter Final. I think he would have kept us up comfortably, some will disagree.
Not much to criticise there.
Pardew, Parky, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga, Slade, Robinson - none of them get close.
Powell knew how to motivate the players at key times. In that title winning season we beat Sheff Utd away in October, beat Huddersfield during their 6,000 game unbeaten run to knock them down a peg in November, beat both the Sheffield clubs within a week in January and MK Dons and Stevenage at home in Feb. Our record against the top 5 after us was excellent (won 6, drew 2, lost 2), and we always managed to time the big wins perfectly. The Stevenage loss came after a 12 match unbeaten start and the Huddersfield loss was late enough that it didn't matter.
We also got big character results at important times or when we weren't playing well. The Yeovil 3-2 on Boxing Day was incredible, and teams around us dropped points late that day while we gained them. The last minute Bournemouth away win was another huge points swing in injury time, and we dug deep for results in games like Exeter and Brentford away, and got points during scrappy games towards the end when the players were obviously tiring, pushing out Oldham, Walsall and Carlisle in consecutive 1-0s in tough games that easily could have seen us drop points and start to worry.
The next season we had no money but you could still see how well the players were motivated, the Cardiff win being the prime example but results against Leicester, Watford and Blackburn all away saw us continuing to grind out wins despite being a league up with hardly any reinforcements.
You don't get those kinds of performances and results over long seasons without having a good manager. I don't think Powell was perfect; he wasn't a great tactician, he didn't really know how to change a game, made his subs too late and was completely married to having two strikers up front to the exclusion of any other strategies. What he was though was a manager with an eye for a player, the capability to take players' talent and show them how to apply it regardless of where their confidence was, and motivate and encourage a team through key difficult periods. Not a perfect manager, but clearly a good one, most certainly for us
A great review of his stewardship. Only have fond memories of my time supporting Charlton whilst SCP was in charge. My youngest could have been lost to football had Powell not done the magic he did.
She went to "13" away wins and a draw in 14: games in her first season watching football. Just think about that stat. We will never have a better season away from home.
Are there better managers, yes. Are there better coaches, yes. Is there a single person u hold in higher regard in football, absolutely not.
Can’t be bothered to work out how many holes in a straw so I’ll give my thoughts on this instead. 1st full season probably had the 4 or 5th highest budget but at least 3 teams has budgets that were 50-70% higher. If that was a handicap in a mini league of relative big spenders he overcame it with a record points total. ‘Anyone could have got that team promoted’ is not true 2nd full season- bottom 4-5 budget and finished 9th 3rd full season had his already limited spending/squad trashed by a fuckwit and got sacked
He loves Prince and the Specials and therefore is a good manager (less factual rigor on this I admit)
First a really juvenile and unfunny edit of someone’s quote, and now a thread clearly intended to provoke.
All a bit unecessary and out of character. You ok?
The owner of the original post that I edited was behaving like an annoying dick over the weekend, the post was more to rock his boat than benefit others.
I'm not sure provoke is the right word. I doubt any Charlton supporter would question that CP is both a legend and a CAFC hero.
The 'Jill Gascoigne RIP' thread has more views than the 'Jason Euell Interview' one, the 'How Many Holes Does a Straw have' has more than 'The Players Need the Fans' and don't even ask about the 'Our Club, Our Future CAST meets Foundations or Hearts' as 'Which car, from TV or the movies, would you most like to own?', the 'Favourite / Worst Smells?' and 'CL Online Chess Tournament' all have more views.
We have 115 years worth of history and I'd rather have a debate Chris Powells 101 season, than know what shade brown North Stand Steves shit is.
Good grief. What gave rise to this all of a sudden?
He just shat himself, while losing his virginity, in public, possibly due to a side effect of having the flu, and wanted to start a thread to take his mind off the embarrassment.
3 out of 4's not bad - so obviously still a virgin and for the good of manandwomankind staying that way for the remainder of its pitiful existence, joyless keyboard wanker.
He did a great job for us and had the rug pulled from under him when it was looking like he could take us further. Not sure why this ground needs raking up.
First a really juvenile and unfunny edit of someone’s quote, and now a thread clearly intended to provoke.
All a bit unecessary and out of character. You ok?
The owner of the original post that I edited was behaving like an annoying dick over the weekend, the post was more to rock his boat than benefit others.
I'm not sure provoke is the right word. I doubt any Charlton supporter would question that CP is both a legend and a CAFC hero.
The 'Jill Gascoigne RIP' thread has more views than the 'Jason Euell Interview' one, the 'How Many Holes Does a Straw have' has more than 'The Players Need the Fans' and don't even ask about the 'Our Club, Our Future CAST meets Foundations or Hearts' as 'Which car, from TV or the movies, would you most like to own?', the 'Favourite / Worst Smells?' and 'CL Online Chess Tournament' all have more views.
We have 115 years worth of history and I'd rather have a debate Chris Powells 101 season, than know what shade brown North Stand Steves shit is.
I'm fine though, thanks for the concerns.
Can you send a link for that last discussion you mention? Cheers.
Chris Powell was a wonderful manager for Charlton, getting us promoted with a record points total; gelling a very talented group of players together; bringing us Yann and getting us one win away from Wembley in the Cup.
He is also a Charlton legend.
Has not lived those heights again elsewhere, much like many managers whom have clicked at one place but not another.
Jesus, we have some weird supporters. Quiet news day, so I'll slag off a club legend and see if I can reignite a debate that's already been done to death. Not that there is a debate to be had, the facts speak for themselves:
- 5th highest budget in League 1, finished 1st, 101 points. So over-achieved by 4 places, with a gigantic points tally.
- Tony Jimenez runs out of cash, Lawrie Wilson is the only transfer fee we pay following promotion. Finishes 9th.
- Club on brink of administration, can't even afford to maintain the pitch properly. Then a Belgian idiot turns up and takes a sledgehammer to the squad. SCP takes us to an FA Cup Quarter Final. I think he would have kept us up comfortably, some will disagree.
Not much to criticise there.
Pardew, Parky, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga, Slade, Robinson - none of them get close.
I’m not sure if Powell would have kept us up, the Roland interference seemed to weigh him down and deflate him (understandably). I wouldn’t have blamed him if we went down that year, just like bowyer has zero blame now. I remember posting at the time, when the Roland affect was starting to become public, that Powell didn’t need to be sacked but needed a director of football just to take some of the Roland interference away from him and to let him do what he was paid to do.....manage.
Boo Boo, never had sex with a coastal seabird, don't know, yes. Chris Powell gave us that Cardiff game that will live long in the memory.
I'd like to hear more about the shitting yourself in a public place please.
I once had chronic diarrhoea at a Charlton match and no fewer than six lavvy visits during the match. In hindsight I should have gone home.
That must have been while Charlton were desperately defending a 1 goal lead during the 7 minutes of Added Time. You know what I mean, all 22 players were in our box including the oppo keeper.
No wonder you had chronic diarhoea. So did our players, I bet.
I think the opening post might have a little more credibility if any of the managers since had come anywhere near to Powell's 101 points. That record still stands and is (unfortunately) likely to do so for many many years.
I would never knock what Powell achieves but I think bowyer finishing 3rd with loans and frees working under Roland is a lot bigger achievement than Powell winning the league. I’m not taking anything away from Powell. Under him, Charlton felt like Charlton and he gave us a promotion and he deserves all the credit for that! I think that bowyers task was harder and finishing 3rd with that squad is a bigger achievement, but both big achievements.
No offence but these kinds of comparisons are very daft and unnecessary.
It is way too direct.
The situations are a lot more complicated.
Would bowyer have got Charlton 101 points with Powell's squad?
I don't think so.
Would Powell have finished in the top 6 under Roland. The bloke who naturally obviously hated him.
No, of course not.
The two seperate situations are very different and they had loads of different kinds of challenges.
It's not about a who is better then who.
They both did great jobs. End of story.
Managers can be just like players. They rise and they fall.
Or they start off shit...but get a lot better as time passes by.
Or, they are like Russel Slade. Or they are as consistently great as sir Alex.
Football managers are not machines. They are just people.
I think the opening post might have a little more credibility if any of the managers since had come anywhere near to Powell's 101 points. That record still stands and is (unfortunately) likely to do so for many many years.
I would never knock what Powell achieves but I think bowyer finishing 3rd with loans and frees working under Roland is a lot bigger achievement than Powell winning the league. I’m not taking anything away from Powell. Under him, Charlton felt like Charlton and he gave us a promotion and he deserves all the credit for that! I think that bowyers task was harder and finishing 3rd with that squad is a bigger achievement, but both big achievements.
No offence but these kinds of comparisons are very daft and unnecessary.
Or they start off shit...but get a lot better as time passes by.
Or, they are like Russel Slade. Or they are as consistently great as sir Alex.
Football managers are not machines. They are just people.
Sir Alex didn't make the best of starts at Man Utd.
He really struggled in his first couple of seasons there. In your own immortal words, "Or they start off shit...but get a lot better as time passes by."
First a really juvenile and unfunny edit of someone’s quote, and now a thread clearly intended to provoke.
All a bit unecessary and out of character. You ok?
The owner of the original post that I edited was behaving like an annoying dick over the weekend, the post was more to rock his boat than benefit others.
I'm not sure provoke is the right word. I doubt any Charlton supporter would question that CP is both a legend and a CAFC hero.
The 'Jill Gascoigne RIP' thread has more views than the 'Jason Euell Interview' one, the 'How Many Holes Does a Straw have' has more than 'The Players Need the Fans' and don't even ask about the 'Our Club, Our Future CAST meets Foundations or Hearts' as 'Which car, from TV or the movies, would you most like to own?', the 'Favourite / Worst Smells?' and 'CL Online Chess Tournament' all have more views.
We have 115 years worth of history and I'd rather have a debate Chris Powells 101 season, than know what shade brown North Stand Steves shit is.
First a really juvenile and unfunny edit of someone’s quote, and now a thread clearly intended to provoke.
All a bit unecessary and out of character. You ok?
The owner of the original post that I edited was behaving like an annoying dick over the weekend, the post was more to rock his boat than benefit others.
I'm not sure provoke is the right word. I doubt any Charlton supporter would question that CP is both a legend and a CAFC hero.
The 'Jill Gascoigne RIP' thread has more views than the 'Jason Euell Interview' one, the 'How Many Holes Does a Straw have' has more than 'The Players Need the Fans' and don't even ask about the 'Our Club, Our Future CAST meets Foundations or Hearts' as 'Which car, from TV or the movies, would you most like to own?', the 'Favourite / Worst Smells?' and 'CL Online Chess Tournament' all have more views.
We have 115 years worth of history and I'd rather have a debate Chris Powells 101 season, than know what shade brown North Stand Steves shit is.
I'm fine though, thanks for the concerns.
Really? Doesn't sound like it.
Is that all you could think of to say? How fitting.
As a striker, if you score 15/20 goals in a season and never replicate the feat, does that make you a good striker?
I can think of loads of players who've had one or two good seasons and then vanished in to obscurity.
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First a really juvenile and unfunny edit of someone’s quote, and now a thread clearly intended to provoke.
All a bit unecessary and out of character. You ok?
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players suss out a bad / poor manager very very quickly.
players don’t put 100% effort in for bad / poor managers
teams don’t achieve anything with bad / poor managers
- 5th highest budget in League 1, finished 1st, 101 points. So over-achieved by 4 places, with a gigantic points tally.
- Tony Jimenez runs out of cash, Lawrie Wilson is the only transfer fee we pay following promotion. Finishes 9th.
- Club on brink of administration, can't even afford to maintain the pitch properly. Then a Belgian idiot turns up and takes a sledgehammer to the squad. SCP takes us to an FA Cup Quarter Final. I think he would have kept us up comfortably, some will disagree.
Not much to criticise there.
Pardew, Parky, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga, Slade, Robinson - none of them get close.
She went to "13" away wins and a draw in 14: games in her first season watching football. Just think about that stat. We will never have a better season away from home.
Are there better managers, yes. Are there better coaches, yes. Is there a single person u hold in higher regard in football, absolutely not.
1st full season probably had the 4 or 5th highest budget but at least 3 teams has budgets that were 50-70% higher. If that was a handicap in a mini league of relative big spenders he overcame it with a record points total. ‘Anyone could have got that team promoted’ is not true
2nd full season- bottom 4-5 budget and finished 9th
3rd full season had his already limited spending/squad trashed by a fuckwit and got sacked
He loves Prince and the Specials and therefore is a good manager (less factual rigor on this I admit)
I'm not sure provoke is the right word. I doubt any Charlton supporter would question that CP is both a legend and a CAFC hero.
The 'Jill Gascoigne RIP' thread has more views than the 'Jason Euell Interview' one, the 'How Many Holes Does a Straw have' has more than 'The Players Need the Fans' and don't even ask about the 'Our Club, Our Future CAST meets Foundations or Hearts' as 'Which car, from TV or the movies, would you most like to own?', the 'Favourite / Worst Smells?' and 'CL Online Chess Tournament' all have more views.
We have 115 years worth of history and I'd rather have a debate Chris Powells 101 season, than know what shade brown North Stand Steves shit is.
I'm fine though, thanks for the concerns.
He is also a Charlton legend.
Has not lived those heights again elsewhere, much like many managers whom have clicked at one place but not another.
Starsky & Hutch (2 Guinea pigs)
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Yes.......on a golf course a few times.
As for Chris Powell......he brought in Yann Kormorgant so he's in credit with me.
You know what I mean, all 22 players were in our box including the oppo keeper.
No wonder you had chronic diarhoea. So did our players, I bet.
No offence but these kinds of comparisons are very daft and unnecessary.
It is way too direct.
The situations are a lot more complicated.
Would bowyer have got Charlton 101 points with Powell's squad?
I don't think so.
Would Powell have finished in the top 6 under Roland. The bloke who naturally obviously hated him.
No, of course not.
The two seperate situations are very different and they had loads of different kinds of challenges.
It's not about a who is better then who.
They both did great jobs. End of story.
Managers can be just like players. They rise and they fall.
Or they start off shit...but get a lot better as time passes by.
Or, they are like Russel Slade. Or they are as consistently great as sir Alex.
Football managers are not machines. They are just people.
He really struggled in his first couple of seasons there.
In your own immortal words, "Or they start off shit...but get a lot better as time passes by."
As a striker, if you score 15/20 goals in a season and never replicate the feat, does that make you a good striker?
I can think of loads of players who've had one or two good seasons and then vanished in to obscurity.