I think so regarding Doughty. The only ray of sunshine for me is that I feel Doughty should be our last "mismanaged youth player" in terms of exposure to first team while on a short contract.
Imagine a clothes shop putting their best items on window display, and they're the only items on 70% discount in the shop. I'm hoping that is Old Charlton, and not the Rockstar's Charlton.
Ooooh, clothes shop analogy, that’s a new one. I like it.
Reading between the lines on that report, Bowyer doesn't sound too confident of keeping Alfie, with an English club interested, all this sounds like a re-run of the Bonne scenario
Really reading between the lines.
He's going to someone, the "english club" have not made an offer but if you want him Celtic you had better put in a big bid today or we will spend the next 2 weeks discussing it with the "english club" why you can't get a look in.
If Doughty doesn't come under the wage cap because of his age (which I believe is true), surely there is no excuse to not lock him down to a good contract and keep him long-term, as a statement from TS
Thats great on paper, but you can't make him sign.
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
We did for Aribo, just not as much if he stayed in England.
We can survive without Phillips, we won’t without Doughty
Looking at the possible loans available - Jake Clarke Salter from Chelsea ( CB ) Dara o Shea from West Brom (CB) Ben Johnson from West Ham (RB ) Liam Miller from Liverpool ( STR ) Kenneth Zohore from West Brom ( STR)
I’d be happy with Gunter. When we lost to Shrewsbury in the semi finals of the play offs a few seasons back, Bowyer bemoaned the lack of experience, nous and edge in the squad. That prompted the signing of Pratley which I think most would agree has been a positive signing. Watson and potentially Gunter being added gives the squad a few more of the ‘nastier’ players we need at this level.
I'd be happy with Gunter. But as we all know, I want to look at our portfolio of signings, and then assess what our realistic aim for this season should be.
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
I'm not sure it's double standards, if we sell him now for £800k but after a season he turns into a machine worth £3m, then we benefit from that as much as him (if he moves to an English team). As for Aribo, I'm sure it was something silly like £400k
If Doughty doesn't come under the wage cap because of his age (which I believe is true), surely there is no excuse to not lock him down to a good contract and keep him long-term, as a statement from TS
If Doughty doesn't come under the wage cap because of his age (which I believe is true), surely there is no excuse to not lock him down to a good contract and keep him long-term, as a statement from TS
Thats great on paper, but you can't make him sign.
Of course, but if we're doing well (which is a big if at the moment admittedly), and are saving elsewhere on the wage cap we should have the ability to offer him a pretty competitive contract
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
I'm not sure it's double standards, if we sell him now for £800k but after a season he turns into a machine worth £3m, then we benefit from that as much as him (if he moves to an English team). As for Aribo, I'm sure it was something silly like £400k
all I'm saying is that neither will sign a new contract but one get's picked and one doesn't. Why? Just because Alfie is under 24.
Looking at the possible loans available - Jake Clarke Salter from Chelsea ( CB ) Dara o Shea from West Brom (CB) Ben Johnson from West Ham (RB ) Liam Miller from Liverpool ( STR ) Kenneth Zohore from West Brom ( STR)
Not a chance. Was playing Championship last season and is apparently wanted by clubs in Belgium and Turkey
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
For the millionth time, you don’t play a keeper who has openly stated they won’t sign a new deal and want to leave.
You simply can’t compare Doughty’s situation with Phillips’.
This isn't me moaning as I'm well aware TS has effectively saved the club from going into admin and I'll be forever grateful for that, but is anyone else getting slightly concerned that we still appear to be going after the same targets? It seems to me that we're still going for older free agents and loans. I was hoping we might begin paying fees for players in their prime.
Once again not moaning, just sharing my thoughts on our transfer activity
This isn't me moaning as I'm well aware TS has effectively saved the club from going into admin and I'll be forever grateful for that, but is anyone else getting slightly concerned that we still appear to be going after the same targets? It seems to me that we're still going for older free agents and loans. I was hoping we might begin paying fees for players in their prime.
Once again not moaning, just sharing my thoughts on our transfer activity
no I agree but I think it's all down to the wage cap. If you pay say 1m for the best centre half in the league he's going to want to be paid more than the cap allows surely?
This isn't me moaning as I'm well aware TS has effectively saved the club from going into admin and I'll be forever grateful for that, but is anyone else getting slightly concerned that we still appear to be going after the same targets? It seems to me that we're still going for older free agents and loans. I was hoping we might begin paying fees for players in their prime.
Once again not moaning, just sharing my thoughts on our transfer activity
I did "hope" for this but I just don't think it is viable with the wage cap and time we have. I would expect Gallen and Bows to have a List A, B, C. List A should contain the best, hungry, younger players from the league below, but we've not heard of any names.
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
For the millionth time, you don’t play a keeper who has openly stated they won’t sign a new deal and want to leave.
I don't understand why you can't.
You simply can’t compare Doughty’s situation with Phillips’.
The cap is severely limiting which targets we can realistically go for. I'm sure we can pay fees now, but the wages for players that command a fee are almost certainly too high to ensure the squad as a whole fits within the cap. Even selling Dillon only frees up whatever the "average" League 1 wages are (somewhere around £2K a week?). Now that we have financial backing, the cap is a disaster!
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He's going to someone, the "english club" have not made an offer but if you want him Celtic you had better put in a big bid today or we will spend the next 2 weeks discussing it with the "english club" why you can't get a look in.
Are we really going to pay a club £1m for a striker ..... and pay the player £4k pw?
“We get compensation even if Alfie goes cross border in the summer – that’s the difference between him and Dillon [Phillips]. We don’t get a penny wherever Dillon goes in the summer.
“We have to weigh up the pros and cons if Alfie goes, we’d need someone ready to replace him.
“There is a club that is interested in this country as well. And it works the same way – what are they prepared to pay? If it’s right we’ll consider it. But we don’t want to sell Alfie, of course we don’t. In an ideal world Alfie signs the contract and keeps progressing.
“He ain’t the finished article, for sure. In my eyes he should stay, sign his contract and crack on.”
So basically if Celtic were interested in Dills we'd still be playing him? This to me is double standards to me from Bowyer. Neither will sign a new deal but because it suits us we will play Alfie but not Dillon. And is the first part even correct? Did we get compo for Aribo when he went 'cross border'.
We can survive without Phillips, we won’t without Doughty
Jake Clarke Salter from Chelsea ( CB )
Dara o Shea from West Brom (CB)
Ben Johnson from West Ham (RB )
Liam Miller from Liverpool ( STR )
Kenneth Zohore from West Brom ( STR)
Once again not moaning, just sharing my thoughts on our transfer activity