Bookmakers are not offering odds on relegation because of the uncertainty around points deductions. The exchanges have Wigan at 4/11 - and the massives at around evens.
Skybet look like the only bookie offering odds. They’ve got Wigan at 2/7, Hull at 11/4 and us at 4/1.
Not sure if their rules allow them to void if Wigan don’t get a points deduction. For those that think Wigan could get out of it 5/2 to stay up with them is a decent price.
Couldnt care less about Wigan... We have been fecked over and over again for yesrs and nobody gave or gives a sh*t.
Survival at all costs.. No sympathy.
As I've said on another thread, I wouldn't be too blase about what the EFL do to Wigan, because they're investigating us as well, remember?
As far as we know we haven't done anything wrong. You dont just get a point deduction because the new owner cant prove source or sustainability of funds or for a director taking money out.
Who told you that? Honest Matt or Honest Paul...or Honest Chris...or honest Tahnoon Nasirat?
I think Wigan will win their next 3 games (QPR, Barnsley and Hull) before they play us. If that happens we need to beat Reading and Brum and not lose to Wigan
I think Wigan will win their next 3 games (QPR, Barnsley and Hull) before they play us. If that happens we need to beat Reading and Brum and not lose to Wigan
I’d be very shocked if all of Hull, Boro, Stoke and Hudds make it to above 50. 51 would be enough to stay up in my opinion, regardless of whether Wigan get a 12 point deduction.
Politicians make company law and are totally responsible for this shit.
Asking for enquiries and blaming other people is not what they need to be doing now.
Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham - sort this out - it's your fault.
It’s Andy Burnham’s fault?? The same Andy Burnham, an Everton fan, who is shown in the documentary “Hillsborough - never forgotten” as being the politician who returned to London and told his bosses that the people of Liverpool must be served justice?
As for Lisa Nandy she has done her job as an MP. She has spoken out and got national attention for Wigan’s plight. I regret to say that in our case messrs Pennycook and Efford have been silent recently. But of course the latter is an effing Spanner. Maybe my mistake when writing to him was to emphasise the Romanian money launderer. Far more effective to point out that if Charlton go down or bust, the Spanners lose their 6 point guarantee. I will try that on him.
I have nothing against these two particularly and Andy Burnham is definitely one of our better politicians.
BUT I prefer leaders who stand up and say things like "This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it".
We have discovered that the EFL cannot do absolutely anything about bad owners except deduct points or expel the team from the league.
Now we are suggesting that they don't do either of these things because "somebody" should have prevented the sale "somehow". So let's blame "somebody" for the problem.
There should be a safeguard like landlords receive from tenants, a deposit up front. So when a buyer purchases a club, they should be made to pay x amount of millions to the EFL, to stop them just walking away. If owners do right by the club and once they sell they get it back.
Good suggestion
I have been thinking more and more about practical ways to safeguard the game. The problem is the wages that are paid to players. It’s okay for the few elite teams that play in the CL and have global brands. They can sustain the 200k a week salaries.
The market has spiraled out of control. Because the top players can demand half a million a week, the not so top players can find themselves being paid £70k a week. That then means the top end Championship sides and those in lower half of the Prem start paying big big money for not very good players and aren’t able to sustain it.
Even some of the players that play for us, despite probably being lower earners in the grand scheme of things, are probably being paid more than we can afford.
it can’t go on. I’m all in favour of people earning as much money as they can if they work hard and I know footballers have short careers, but not at the expense of mine or other’s football clubs
I also think a rule should be in place where owners don’t lend the clubs money (still within the ffp requirements). They accept that the money they put in is equity. There’s no loans, no interest payments. You are simply allowed to increase your equity. If the shit hits the fan then you lose your investment, end of. Dutchatelet is a prime example and it seems like the blokes at Wigan were in a similar boat. Loaning the clubs money to be paid back at a rate of interest over time. It’s bollocks.
What happens if Wigan do not complete their fixtures? Are all points gained by those teams they have already played deducted and how would league then look?
What happens if Wigan do not complete their fixtures? Are all points gained by those teams they have already played deducted and how would league then look?
What happens if Wigan do not complete their fixtures? Are all points gained by those teams they have already played deducted and how would league then look?
Politicians make company law and are totally responsible for this shit.
Asking for enquiries and blaming other people is not what they need to be doing now.
Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham - sort this out - it's your fault.
It’s Andy Burnham’s fault?? The same Andy Burnham, an Everton fan, who is shown in the documentary “Hillsborough - never forgotten” as being the politician who returned to London and told his bosses that the people of Liverpool must be served justice?
As for Lisa Nandy she has done her job as an MP. She has spoken out and got national attention for Wigan’s plight. I regret to say that in our case messrs Pennycook and Efford have been silent recently. But of course the latter is an effing Spanner. Maybe my mistake when writing to him was to emphasise the Romanian money launderer. Far more effective to point out that if Charlton go down or bust, the Spanners lose their 6 point guarantee. I will try that on him.
I have nothing against these two particularly and Andy Burnham is definitely one of our better politicians.
BUT I prefer leaders who stand up and say things like "This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it".
We have discovered that the EFL cannot do absolutely anything about bad owners except deduct points or expel the team from the league.
Now we are suggesting that they don't do either of these things because "somebody" should have prevented the sale "somehow". So let's blame "somebody" for the problem.
This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it
If you mean OUR fault, as in all of us fans who just accept the whole shit structure of English football, rather than organising mass protests and harassing their politicians to get that structure changed, then I agree with you. I fear that that is not what you meant. Are you familiar for example with the Bill that Clive Efford tried and failed to get through Parliament, or all the reform work Damian Collins tried to push through when he was at DCMS? If not, then dont worry as I guess 95% of other Lifers are not either. And thats the problem. Politicians need to feel popular pressure and support from voters for such changes, because after all they will be going against the interests fo entire countries ( Abu Dhabi) as well as Russian economic hustlers and very English pornbrokers.
One modest way to protect club's from themselves would be to make every player's contract contain a relegation clause. The PFA would hate it but you'd think the risk of large numbers of club's going out of business might give them pause for thought.
Whatever we think of the Wigan situation, rules are rules and the EFL aren’t going to NOT impose the points deduction because that would be unlawful and it would get overturned by any club that challenged it.
The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.
One modest way to protect club's from themselves would be to make every player's contract contain a relegation clause. The PFA would hate it but you'd think the risk of large numbers of club's going out of business might give them pause for thought.
Bet it would also get more effort from all players
Would Sunderland have tried to stave off relegation from both Premier League and Championship a bit more had everyone been at risk of wage cuts rather than just a handle or no one at all
I've just been talking to my next door neighbour, who is a coach/sports scientist for Leicester City, about the Wigan situation and he agreed that the EFL cant stop the points deduction otherwise any other club that have debts can blame dodgy deals and Covid-19 and would expect the same leniency.
I also asked if there was any truth, as previously reported on the Taylor thread, that Lyle was going to Leicester, his answer was and I quote, " I've not heard anything about him coming here and Leicester are looking to buy players that are a lot younger than 30, and Taylor wouldn't fit that profile". So unless he is telling me porkies or genuinely doesn't know....Taylor isn't going there!!
I suspect that we’ll be quite shocked by Taylor’s final destination. A step up from us no doubt but talk of a top four Premier side or even a premier team is I think very unlikely.
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Still hoping to see one of them posting "The next two weeks are critical".
Honest Matt or Honest Paul...or Honest Chris...or honest Tahnoon Nasirat?
I'd not lose any sleep if palice went bust.
Too many ifs, we'll be comfortable.
BUT I prefer leaders who stand up and say things like "This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it".
We have discovered that the EFL cannot do absolutely anything about bad owners except deduct points or expel the team from the league.
Now we are suggesting that they don't do either of these things because "somebody" should have prevented the sale "somehow". So let's blame "somebody" for the problem.
This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it
Biggleswade would not know what hit them.
https://twitter.com/marksparko/status/1279000646335836163
The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.
Would Sunderland have tried to stave off relegation from both Premier League and Championship a bit more had everyone been at risk of wage cuts rather than just a handle or no one at all
I also asked if there was any truth, as previously reported on the Taylor thread, that Lyle was going to Leicester, his answer was and I quote, " I've not heard anything about him coming here and Leicester are looking to buy players that are a lot younger than 30, and Taylor wouldn't fit that profile". So unless he is telling me porkies or genuinely doesn't know....Taylor isn't going there!!