Yes, Dodger was annoying me at the time for seemingly being in Southall's camp, but I think you could be right. Maybe it is time we all wake up and smell the coffee. Dodger is probably on the list of people we now need to listen to.
I think the thing that makes me feel Southall was the main protagonist
in all this is the way that he has taken every single avenue to line his
pockets. It seems as though his job at Charlton was to sit there and write
invoices out for himself, or on behalf of others to cover debts he has. In between that, lording it up through the ground on match days (getting standing ovations), encouraging
supporters to go to games and buy season tickets (to cover his stealing until
the illusive £5m turned up???) and having photos taken with people on community
projects and the Upbeats (have a word with yourself, Matthew).
Then, since
being rumbled, it seems as though he wants to take every avenue for that golden
£1m figure, probably just so he can call himself a millionaire to his vile friends. Imo, The bloke is rotten to
the core and does an unbelievably bad impression of a businessman
Yes, I agree with you 100%. The perfect patsy. A stupid crook that clever crooks can use. But a crook all the same. And something makes more sense. I thought Dodger was on Southall's side, but he did say that he wasn't and suggested Southall was a crook too. I certainly think I owe Dodger an apology. How much has Southall made from this that compensates for never being able to work in football, maybe anywhere, again? The car is gone, the rented home is gone. A few hundred grand?
If I was a fraud officer there are three people I would put at the top of my list to interview. Dodger, Southall and Duchatelet. I say Duchatelet because I suspect he couldn't have put anything so elaborate together and may have been approached. If that is the case, he might get edgy if people seem to be getting wise to it.
Roland's escape could be to talk to PV/AB urgently and write off any money he has paid to the crooks. If they approached him, and he thinks people are getting wise to what is going on, he could be implicated in a serious fraud and face the requisite punishment. The bloke may be mad enough to have agreed to this, but also sane enough not to want what might happen to him and his reputation.
All things lead back to Dutchelet, he has paid the wages as nobody would put money into a club they don't own. Farnell has been involved from day one as his connections prove. Whatever part the original ESI played has been updated to try and cover tracks with its second incarnation. These people will walk away with a hefty payment from Dutchelet for services provided, the only thing that can stop him is the ex directors case. The league will expel Charlton and that's what the plan needs to reach fruition. Dutchelet has convinced himself that once the club is dead he will regain money lost by his own stupidity.
What, is anything can Duchatalet do with the ground and training ground?
If Charlton are no more, restrictions protecting the club may no longer be deemed necessary. There is no point in there being a football ground on the site so planning permissions would very likely be opened up. The land suddenly becomes very valuable.
If Charlton are no more, restrictions protecting the club may no longer be deemed necessary. There is no point in there being a football ground on the site so planning permissions would very likely be opened up. The land suddenly becomes very valuable.
If this is a scam, we have to look at why. Where does the money that makes the scam worthwhile get generated? I can't see how it points anywhere but one direction. To the land assets. That is where the money is.
All things lead back to Dutchelet, he has paid the wages as nobody would put money into a club they don't own. Farnell has been involved from day one as his connections prove. Whatever part the original ESI played has been updated to try and cover tracks with its second incarnation. These people will walk away with a hefty payment from Dutchelet for services provided, the only thing that can stop him is the ex directors case. The league will expel Charlton and that's what the plan needs to reach fruition. Dutchelet has convinced himself that once the club is dead he will regain money lost by his own stupidity.
What, is anything can Duchatalet do with the ground and training ground?
Well without they problem of a tenant (CAFC) getting in the way; break up the training ground and sell off to people who do want leisure/sports pitches. Maybe some to the University, maybe the artificial pitch might interest a gym/leisure company, even the council might grab a bit. In time a derelict Valley would become such an issue locally that RBG could change their stance on planning. That’s why he put. £50M price tag on it - he never had any real intention of selling the land
Airman will know but how much to clear The Valley of the stadium and clean up the contamination ? Access issues to any development proposal are significant if not impossible ? I’m not sure that The Valley site is any more valuable for developing than a thousand other much easier sites with none of the associated problems.
In spite of everything conspiring against us,if this club was expelled from the league,it would probably be the most damaging indictment of EFL you could imagine.With due respects we are not Bury,We are a club that avareged 17000 gates last year,continually had an excellent away support,and until the Virus,probably were not far off breaking even.Had we not had that break,Taylor would have played and we would have stayed up,no doubt in my mind.In spite of their apathy,I think EFL will do everything to allow us to continue in the league.
I thought the EFL should have done more to save Bury. I wouldn't like to say we were more important than Bury. To us yes, of course, but to the people who supported Bury they were their lives. We are just as important as Liverpool and Bury were just as important as us. If the EFL at the end of this allowed us to continue in League two, we are relatively buggered, but the plan from the scammers is even more buggered.
In spite of everything conspiring against us,if this club was expelled from the league,it would probably be the most damaging indictment of EFL you could imagine.With due respects we are not Bury,We are a club that avareged 17000 gates last year,continually had an excellent away support,and until the Virus,probably were not far off breaking even.Had we not had that break,Taylor would have played and we would have stayed up,no doubt in my mind.In spite of their apathy,I think EFL will do everything to allow us to continue in the league.
Pre-lockdown we lost to Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield and Middlesbrough without scoring and looked doomed. We'd probably have gone down anyway.
A simple, deep soil sample should suffice when it comes to The Valley. The cost of removing and safely disposing of what lies below, which was given the green light for purposes of a football stadium (be assured, no need to wear hazmat suits in the Covered End) but would be far from acceptable for housing, would be prohibitive and kill RD's valuation stone dead.
I like the idea, but it was a chalk quarry wasn't it? Are they particularly known for leaving unpleasant waste behind that'd make it difficult to develop on?
Yes it was a chalk and sand quarry, but I understand that once it became disused it was partially infilled with rubbish. (This was evidently a long-standing local practice; I've seen a Victorian newspaper article about the local authorities complaining that Rotherhithe Vestry was dumping their rubbish in one of the pits in Charlton!)
It's not just the risk of unearthing toxic chemical waste or asbestos which might be down there - something like deeply buried Japanese knot weed would be a very expensive problem to resolve if it was reactivated while digging foundations.
I think the issue is, Roland thinks he will make a lot of money if not restricted by what he can do with the land. If it turns out he can't make as much as he thinks.....well, we would rather it doesn't come to that.
All things lead back to Dutchelet, he has paid the wages as nobody would put money into a club they don't own. Farnell has been involved from day one as his connections prove. Whatever part the original ESI played has been updated to try and cover tracks with its second incarnation. These people will walk away with a hefty payment from Dutchelet for services provided, the only thing that can stop him is the ex directors case. The league will expel Charlton and that's what the plan needs to reach fruition. Dutchelet has convinced himself that once the club is dead he will regain money lost by his own stupidity.
What, is anything can Duchatalet do with the ground and training ground?
Well without they problem of a tenant (CAFC) getting in the way; break up the training ground and sell off to people who do want leisure/sports pitches. Maybe some to the University, maybe the artificial pitch might interest a gym/leisure company, even the council might grab a bit. In time a derelict Valley would become such an issue locally that RBG could change their stance on planning. That’s why he put. £50M price tag on it - he never had any real intention of selling the land
Roland can come back later and contract for development work at both sites as owner/developer, just like he is thinking of doing at Liege and has done at Carl Zeiss Jena since December when we were distracted by ESI. One or more juicy development packages ahead for him, unless he shows some different motivation in any next steps he is forced or chooses to make.
In spite of everything conspiring against us,if this club was expelled from the league,it would probably be the most damaging indictment of EFL you could imagine.With due respects we are not Bury,We are a club that avareged 17000 gates last year,continually had an excellent away support,and until the Virus,probably were not far off breaking even.Had we not had that break,Taylor would have played and we would have stayed up,no doubt in my mind.In spite of their apathy,I think EFL will do everything to allow us to continue in the league.
Pre-lockdown we lost to Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield and Middlesbrough without scoring and looked doomed. We'd probably have gone down anyway.
I know,but one or two goals from somwhere,(Millwall,Reading Birmingham) could have made a difference.
Greenwich council would approve planning on the valley in a heartbeat, obviously if Charlton were no longer around. Why wouldn’t they? The training ground there would be a few hoops to jump through but I’m certain that too would be granted permission. Roland doesn’t have to wait for permission from Greenwich to get his money, he can sell it on to anyone who wants to speculate on land, plenty of them in this world. We shouldn’t forget the opposition we had from the council and locals when we were trying to make a return to the valley, Greenwich council will not take the moral high when viewing planning on unused large pieces of land. They granted permission on 3 pieces of land since 2000 around the valley where houses were built. The stories about accessibility to the site is nonsense, the tallest building in Europe was built with poor accessibility. We were warned by Standard fans when the insect bought us how he operated, I think we might now be in the end game. Unless Barclay is willing to pay an inflated price on something he has no sentimental feelings for. The Aussie failure and other less known bidders to acquire the club is making a little more sense to me now, the Belgium never wanted a community football club, he wanted money.
But ultimately what he is doing is illegal. And if exposed, there are harsh consequences. Why is the git not terrified of us going into administration and all the money that will cost him? I say because he knows that isn't the plan.
Southall and Heller leaked their story in Romania, included details of the alleged property project for the Valley.
Anyone who missed it on the bonkers thread may find it interesting, but bear in mind it is part one of the Southall & Heller story and a blatant attempt to deflect any blame.
It even alleges Nimer is the illegitimate son of a Sheikh (and releases his passport copy to undermine him)- clearly Southall & Heller didn't mind fueling racist conspiracy when it suited them.
If Charlton are no more, restrictions protecting the club may no longer be deemed necessary. There is no point in there being a football ground on the site so planning permissions would very likely be opened up. The land suddenly becomes very valuable.
Greenwich is a Labour controlled council. If Southwark is anything to go by in terms of property development, this should be a worrying detail
If Charlton are no more, restrictions protecting the club may no longer be deemed necessary. There is no point in there being a football ground on the site so planning permissions would very likely be opened up. The land suddenly becomes very valuable.
Greenwich is a Labour controlled council. If Southwark is anything to go by in terms of property development, this should be a worrying detail
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I think the thing that makes me feel Southall was the main protagonist in all this is the way that he has taken every single avenue to line his pockets. It seems as though his job at Charlton was to sit there and write invoices out for himself, or on behalf of others to cover debts he has. In between that, lording it up through the ground on match days (getting standing ovations), encouraging supporters to go to games and buy season tickets (to cover his stealing until the illusive £5m turned up???) and having photos taken with people on community projects and the Upbeats (have a word with yourself, Matthew).
Then, since being rumbled, it seems as though he wants to take every avenue for that golden £1m figure, probably just so he can call himself a millionaire to his vile friends. Imo, The bloke is rotten to the core and does an unbelievably bad impression of a businessman
Roland's escape could be to talk to PV/AB urgently and write off any money he has paid to the crooks. If they approached him, and he thinks people are getting wise to what is going on, he could be implicated in a serious fraud and face the requisite punishment. The bloke may be mad enough to have agreed to this, but also sane enough not to want what might happen to him and his reputation.
Discussed on the bonkers thread, page 852. Blue billy and other possibilities. Here's one set of quotes-
It's not just the risk of unearthing toxic chemical waste or asbestos which might be down there - something like deeply buried Japanese knot weed would be a very expensive problem to resolve if it was reactivated while digging foundations.
Roland doesn’t have to wait for permission from Greenwich to get his money, he can sell it on to anyone who wants to speculate on land, plenty of them in this world.
We shouldn’t forget the opposition we had from the council and locals when we were trying to make a return to the valley, Greenwich council will not take the moral high when viewing planning on unused large pieces of land. They granted permission on 3 pieces of land since 2000 around the valley where houses were built. The stories about accessibility to the site is nonsense, the tallest building in Europe was built with poor accessibility.
We were warned by Standard fans when the insect bought us how he operated, I think we might now be in the end game. Unless Barclay is willing to pay an inflated price on something he has no sentimental feelings for.
The Aussie failure and other less known bidders to acquire the club is making a little more sense to me now, the Belgium never wanted a community football club, he wanted money.
Anyone who missed it on the bonkers thread may find it interesting, but bear in mind it is part one of the Southall & Heller story and a blatant attempt to deflect any blame.
It even alleges Nimer is the illegitimate son of a Sheikh (and releases his passport copy to undermine him)- clearly Southall & Heller didn't mind fueling racist conspiracy when it suited them.
https://amp.gsp.ro/article/593741
English translation, link courtesy of the bite size bonkers thread- https://charltonlife.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/3847978/#Comment_3847978
Fwiw I still think it's all a rubbish smokescreen but the topic of RD and property won't yet go away until he does!