What happens if you have already exceeded the salary cap for the new season
I think everybody currently under contract is treated as though they are being paid the league average. The sunderland forum thinks this is about 1700p/w.
How can they introduce such a Cap immediately, surely clubs will already have decided their wage structure for the season? And have players under contract already?
And surely it should take into account the local cost of living? 2k a week in Accrington goes a lot further than the same salary in London
It should be implemented at the very top. It will only really work if the top leagues in Europe are capped.
Yes and no, why should Manchester United be penalised for making boat loads of money? The fact that their owner does trouser a lot of it is neither here no there (in this situation).
Financial doping is the problem at the top. If you think it is a problem.
It’s not fair that the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charltons of this world are not allowed to compete with the elite because we don’t have enough fans. What’s the point of following the sport knowing that you can’t win the main prize. FFP is is so wrong and I can’t believe that people actually like it. Teams should be allowed to spend what they want. If they f**k up they get relegated.
Have the Charltons of this world ever been able to win the top prize? I mean since the maximum wage was abbolished?
Also a flat cap puts the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charlton's of this world at a massive disadvantage against the Bradford, Doncaster and Hull's of this world. Not only do they like a "flat cap" have you seen the difference in house prices?
If your earning potential is so limited why would you risk your potential future by signing for a club in the south east when your guaranteed the same money else where.
There are loads of arguments for and against a salary cap, but, sorry its not fair isn't really one of them is it?
Excellent news. A few clubs like Sunderland would suffer in the future. At the moment it doesn't apply to players signed outside the division. No doubt this is why we have players signing their 1 year options, as the market will be much lower.
I see no reason why you can't compete in the champ. We went up with few Champ hardened players, and it seems Pearce wasn't even on average Champ earnings. It surely allows you to sign your youth players on longer term contracts early on, for lesser weekly wages. Frankly teenagers or not at lower league clubs should not be earning more than 95% of Paye employment pool: Yes if their productivity matched anywhere near their wages, rather than them being paid way over the income their talent earns a club through income: tv/attendances etc.
What happens when a club goes from the Premier League to League One in a couple of seasons? They'll be carrying players on contracts that dwarf the entire yearly cap who can't/won't be moved on. I can't see the system working unless mandatory relegation clauses are added to each players contract (another thing the PFA seem unhappy about).
Having Williams, Amos and JFC re-signing on Championship wages is not exactly ideal in these circumstances.
Amos and JFC I think signed the initial contracts when were in L1 the first time so have renewed on those wages not Championship ones. And JW took a hefty cut as he was quite open about NOT moving for money but just to play more football.
It should be implemented at the very top. It will only really work if the top leagues in Europe are capped.
Yes and no, why should Manchester United be penalised for making boat loads of money? The fact that their owner does trouser a lot of it is neither here no there (in this situation).
Financial doping is the problem at the top. If you think it is a problem.
It’s not fair that the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charltons of this world are not allowed to compete with the elite because we don’t have enough fans. What’s the point of following the sport knowing that you can’t win the main prize. FFP is is so wrong and I can’t believe that people actually like it. Teams should be allowed to spend what they want. If they f**k up they get relegated.
Have the Charltons of this world ever been able to win the top prize? I mean since the maximum wage was abbolished?
Also a flat cap puts the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charlton's of this world at a massive disadvantage against the Bradford, Doncaster and Hull's of this world. Not only do they like a "flat cap" have you seen the difference in house prices?
If your earning potential is so limited why would you risk your potential future by signing for a club in the south east when your guaranteed the same money else where.
There are loads of arguments for and against a salary cap, but, sorry its not fair isn't really one of them is it?
This is a complete over reaction because of Covid, it really hasn't been thought through.
Clubs like Rochdale and Accrington will be loving it, but overall for most clubs i think it's bad news. A gap from 2.5m to 18m between league one and the championship is ridiculous and definitely the first step towards a Premier League 2.
It wont be Premier League, Championship, League 1 and League 2
It will be
Premier League Premier League 2
League 1 League 2 League 3
No way will league 1 teams be able to compete in the championship so it will form a complete split and the EFL will invite Conference to make a league 3 to get more teams involved
It also means in future years a massive gap between the relegated teams from the Championship and the existing teams in L1, as the latter will have to stick to the Cap whereas the relegated teams will still be allowed to pay massively higher salaries to players on existing contracts
Would love to know which teams voted in favour of this, can make some guesses at a few likely candidates who have no interest in promotion. How can it be a good idea to give clubs a say in how much other clubs are spending.
What happens when a club goes from the Premier League to League One in a couple of seasons? They'll be carrying players on contracts that dwarf the entire yearly cap who can't/won't be moved on. I can't see the system working unless mandatory relegation clauses are added to each players contract (another thing the PFA seem unhappy about).
Surely some special dispensation will have to be given to relegated clubs.
Also if the Championship cap gets approved at 18m, you'll have clubs coming down who get 42m alone in the first year of parachute payments...........but couldn't even spend half of it.
It should be implemented at the very top. It will only really work if the top leagues in Europe are capped.
Yes and no, why should Manchester United be penalised for making boat loads of money? The fact that their owner does trouser a lot of it is neither here no there (in this situation).
Financial doping is the problem at the top. If you think it is a problem.
It’s not fair that the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charltons of this world are not allowed to compete with the elite because we don’t have enough fans. What’s the point of following the sport knowing that you can’t win the main prize. FFP is is so wrong and I can’t believe that people actually like it. Teams should be allowed to spend what they want. If they f**k up they get relegated.
Have the Charltons of this world ever been able to win the top prize? I mean since the maximum wage was abbolished?
Also a flat cap puts the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charlton's of this world at a massive disadvantage against the Bradford, Doncaster and Hull's of this world. Not only do they like a "flat cap" have you seen the difference in house prices?
If your earning potential is so limited why would you risk your potential future by signing for a club in the south east when your guaranteed the same money else where.
There are loads of arguments for and against a salary cap, but, sorry its not fair isn't really one of them is it?
Blackburn and Leicester did !
You may want to check how much their owners put in, or how much Leicester "bent" ffp to get out of the championship in the first place.
Using those 2 sort of totally goes against the whole point of ffp.
I look forward to yoyo league 1 and championship sides losing any remotely decent player when they get relegated, followed by having to panic buy when they get promoted.
It should be implemented at the very top. It will only really work if the top leagues in Europe are capped.
Yes and no, why should Manchester United be penalised for making boat loads of money? The fact that their owner does trouser a lot of it is neither here no there (in this situation).
Financial doping is the problem at the top. If you think it is a problem.
It’s not fair that the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charltons of this world are not allowed to compete with the elite because we don’t have enough fans. What’s the point of following the sport knowing that you can’t win the main prize. FFP is is so wrong and I can’t believe that people actually like it. Teams should be allowed to spend what they want. If they f**k up they get relegated.
Have the Charltons of this world ever been able to win the top prize? I mean since the maximum wage was abbolished?
Also a flat cap puts the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charlton's of this world at a massive disadvantage against the Bradford, Doncaster and Hull's of this world. Not only do they like a "flat cap" have you seen the difference in house prices?
If your earning potential is so limited why would you risk your potential future by signing for a club in the south east when your guaranteed the same money else where.
There are loads of arguments for and against a salary cap, but, sorry its not fair isn't really one of them is it?
Blackburn and Leicester did !
You may want to check how much their owners put in, or how much Leicester "bent" ffp to get out of the championship in the first place.
Using those 2 sort of totally goes against the whole point of ffp.
That’s my point. Leicester lost £90 million in one season while they were in the championship.
So Charlton will have to freeze players salaries at the divisional average. for those players who signed contracts before todays decision. So many players will have to take pay cuts. of course this only applies if there is a Charlton Athletic playing in the league on September 12.
Or they are saying that for calculation purposes those players already on contract will be included the teams salary cap at league average wages, even tough earning more than that, until the end of the contract.
Or they are saying that for calculation purposes those players already on contract will be included the teams salary cap at league average wages, even tough earning more than that, until the end of the contract.
Yeah i think players under existing contracts don't count towards it.
Perhaps goes some way to explaining why Amos, JFC and Williams signed up this week, as if they couldn't get a championship deal in the next month, they'd have then been hawking themselves around league one clubs for 2k a week.
So Charlton will have to freeze players salaries at the divisional average. for those players who signed contracts before todays decision. So many players will have to take pay cuts. of course this only applies if there is a Charlton Athletic playing in the league on September 12.
The players are on contracts not salaries.
The divisional average is merely a way of accounting for these. If one of our players is on £10k a week, it will appear as the average when we report our figures. The only time it would effect any player is if they were renewing a contract or signing a new one. It may have been why two of our players activated their contracts so quickly.
There's another possible consequence. Some clubs might relegate themselves to League One on purpose as The Championship will become a big loss maker. It's happened here in France.
I’d be surprised if it’s legal. The clubs are acting as a cartel to limit employees wages. I’m not sure about UK law, but I’m pretty sure that would be an anti-trust violation in the US.
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How can they introduce such a Cap immediately, surely clubs will already have decided their wage structure for the season? And have players under contract already?
And surely it should take into account the local cost of living? 2k a week in Accrington goes a lot further than the same salary in London
Even Gillingham are spending above the 2.5m
Also a flat cap puts the Bournemouth, Brighton and Charlton's of this world at a massive disadvantage against the Bradford, Doncaster and Hull's of this world. Not only do they like a "flat cap" have you seen the difference in house prices?
If your earning potential is so limited why would you risk your potential future by signing for a club in the south east when your guaranteed the same money else where.
There are loads of arguments for and against a salary cap, but, sorry its not fair isn't really one of them is it?
I see no reason why you can't compete in the champ. We went up with few Champ hardened players, and it seems Pearce wasn't even on average Champ earnings. It surely allows you to sign your youth players on longer term contracts early on, for lesser weekly wages. Frankly teenagers or not at lower league clubs should not be earning more than 95% of Paye employment pool: Yes if their productivity matched anywhere near their wages, rather than them being paid way over the income their talent earns a club through income: tv/attendances etc.
Clubs like Rochdale and Accrington will be loving it, but overall for most clubs i think it's bad news. A gap from 2.5m to 18m between league one and the championship is ridiculous and definitely the first step towards a Premier League 2.
It wont be Premier League, Championship, League 1 and League 2
It will be
Premier League
Premier League 2
League 1
League 2
League 3
No way will league 1 teams be able to compete in the championship so it will form a complete split and the EFL will invite Conference to make a league 3 to get more teams involved
Also if the Championship cap gets approved at 18m, you'll have clubs coming down who get 42m alone in the first year of parachute payments...........but couldn't even spend half of it.
Using those 2 sort of totally goes against the whole point of ffp.
I look forward to yoyo league 1 and championship sides losing any remotely decent player when they get relegated, followed by having to panic buy when they get promoted.
Excellent stuff.
Perhaps goes some way to explaining why Amos, JFC and Williams signed up this week, as if they couldn't get a championship deal in the next month, they'd have then been hawking themselves around league one clubs for 2k a week.
The only time it would effect any player is if they were renewing a contract or signing a new one.
It may have been why two of our players activated their contracts so quickly.
The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) claims that squad salary caps agreed by League One and League Two clubs today are "unlawful and unenforceable."
From The Standard
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424
It's happened here in France.