I thought straight away that Bogle who didn't understand the offside rule all night attempted to touch the ball after the great header from Innes: I have no idea if he did have the faintest of touches but it looked like he was trying to claim it. If Bogle brain was in gear he would have pointed to Innes, saying your goal. The wind up was the Lino only putting his flag up after being berated by Maxwell, 10 seconds later. No VAR so why did the Lino wait if he thought Bogle touched the ball ? The angle from the Ass refs side would make it look like Bogle was interfering with play also.
After the nonsense with the Penalty offside which wasn't ruled out we are not getting the rub of the green.
That is why Lee Bowyer when straight down the tunnel as he would've told the lino where to put his flag.
I do wonder though if Bogle went for the ball as a natural Striker instinct from him in case the ball was going wide
e.g. How would we have reacted had he stood there (onside) only for it to go wide?
I'm confident that is exactly what happened. Poor judgement on Bogle's part but better players than him have done the same.
It would help if officials were allowed to state why they made certain decisions after the game just to clarify why they made them. IF the ball hit Bogle's thigh then it was offside. Only question is why didn't he raise his flag immediately instead of waiting until the Charlton players were celebrating in front of him AND the 'Pool keeper got in his face?
Looks to me as if the ball hit Bogles thigh as it went in. Think I would have wanted is disallowed if it happened the other way round.
Rubbish ! You can't tell anything from a still picture. You could just as easily say that the ball was past him and he was making sure he didn't touch it.
So we've seen that after a penalty is saved, the officials are not placed to judge offside so they effectively have to ignore the offside rule in this situation.
On the other hand when a linesman is unable to see whether a player touches the ball, he should wait for players to appeal and make up his mind on how honest they seem!
It's not individual referees that have a problem. It's the instructions (or lack of them) from above that they have to follow!
But we don't know exactly what happened. Just what it may have looked like from our perspective. The officials are wired up and the assistant may have ben conversing with the ref. In fact he almost certainly was. And they got the decision right as a photo has been produced showing the ball touched Bogle's thigh. I am pretty sure the decision was not made on the say so of their keeper. That is a ridiculous notion.
Here is what reasonably could have happened. Assistant doesn't raise his flag as he thinks Innis has scored. Ref talks to him and asks if Bogle was offside as he touched it. Lino raises his flag after that conversation as ref has confirmed Bogle touched it. Their keeper had nothing to do with it.
Looks as though we had two players that may have been offside, one could be Interpreted to be in the line of the goalkeepers vision. Very hard to judge on a still photo and all rrelevant now as we won
If they investigate the ref and officials last night, they will probably end up getting commended. The Ref's Assistant for the Lincoln game probably got a demerit.
Sorry, this post is a bit long, they don`t call me muppetman
for nothing!
I must agree with Muttley, the Assistant didn`t signal for a
goal straight away either, so I think he was waiting to talk to the Ref to
clarify if Bogle had touched the ball.
As for the standard of officials, in my opinion the issue
starts at grassroots football.
I have played Sunday League and run the line for my team,
and I have also run the line for both my kid`s youth teams. So, a few hundred
games, and I could probably count on one hand the amount of times the Ref
hasn`t been abused in one way or another.
Sunday League wasn`t to bad, mainly the odd swear word
towards the Ref, more out of exasperation then venom. But I have seen games
abandoned because the Ref had been threatened and he had to get out of Dodge quickly
before thing`s went too far.
But youth football is far worse. Some of the behaviour from
parents and coaches (Not all) is inexplicable. I have seen young Ref`s verbally
abused and intimidated from the touch line. Surrounded by coaches and parents
at the end of matches, with some being jostled and sworn at for allegedly
cheating or making bad decisions.
In one instance, an opposition player injured himself
fowling one of our players, the 16-year-old Ref gave a penalty. The Ref called
the coaches on to treat the injured player. They ran straight to the Ref and
were having a go at him while their player was on the ground in pain. They were
more interested in winning then they were about the lad in their care.
After the game, the coach wanted to fight me in the car park,
and I never saw the young ref again. Which was one less Ref progressing and
learning their trade to go on to senior or league football.
This happens across the country and the world no doubt. So,
the pool of Referee`s we must choose from is a lot smaller than it should be.
But the league`s and the FA hardly do a thing to stamp out the abuse, and
that`s why young and old Referee`s are giving up the game. All that talent not
being supported in the correct way means only a few come through the system
which means we have to make do with what we`ve got.
So, please don`t blame the officials for the mistakes they
make, I am sure they are trying their best. But for the standard of Refereeing,
blame the governing bodies for their lack of support at grassroots level,
especially to that young Ref who left the pitch trying to hold back the tears,
because he knew that was his last game.
Made me laugh that half the linesman at the valley the past couple of years don't even decide which way a throw goes until the ref gives them the nod (if you hadnt noticed this then watch it, it's ridiculous), yet this linesman overrules the ref, there is no way that goal was disallowed until the protests.
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On the other hand when a linesman is unable to see whether a player touches the ball, he should wait for players to appeal and make up his mind on how honest they seem!
It's not individual referees that have a problem. It's the instructions (or lack of them) from above that they have to follow!
Here is what reasonably could have happened. Assistant doesn't raise his flag as he thinks Innis has scored. Ref talks to him and asks if Bogle was offside as he touched it. Lino raises his flag after that conversation as ref has confirmed Bogle touched it. Their keeper had nothing to do with it.
Looks as though we had two players that may have been offside, one could be Interpreted to be in the line of the goalkeepers vision. Very hard to judge on a still photo and all rrelevant now as we won
Sorry, this post is a bit long, they don`t call me muppetman for nothing!
I must agree with Muttley, the Assistant didn`t signal for a goal straight away either, so I think he was waiting to talk to the Ref to clarify if Bogle had touched the ball.
As for the standard of officials, in my opinion the issue starts at grassroots football.
I have played Sunday League and run the line for my team, and I have also run the line for both my kid`s youth teams. So, a few hundred games, and I could probably count on one hand the amount of times the Ref hasn`t been abused in one way or another.
Sunday League wasn`t to bad, mainly the odd swear word towards the Ref, more out of exasperation then venom. But I have seen games abandoned because the Ref had been threatened and he had to get out of Dodge quickly before thing`s went too far.
But youth football is far worse. Some of the behaviour from parents and coaches (Not all) is inexplicable. I have seen young Ref`s verbally abused and intimidated from the touch line. Surrounded by coaches and parents at the end of matches, with some being jostled and sworn at for allegedly cheating or making bad decisions.
In one instance, an opposition player injured himself fowling one of our players, the 16-year-old Ref gave a penalty. The Ref called the coaches on to treat the injured player. They ran straight to the Ref and were having a go at him while their player was on the ground in pain. They were more interested in winning then they were about the lad in their care.
After the game, the coach wanted to fight me in the car park, and I never saw the young ref again. Which was one less Ref progressing and learning their trade to go on to senior or league football.
This happens across the country and the world no doubt. So, the pool of Referee`s we must choose from is a lot smaller than it should be. But the league`s and the FA hardly do a thing to stamp out the abuse, and that`s why young and old Referee`s are giving up the game. All that talent not being supported in the correct way means only a few come through the system which means we have to make do with what we`ve got.
So, please don`t blame the officials for the mistakes they make, I am sure they are trying their best. But for the standard of Refereeing, blame the governing bodies for their lack of support at grassroots level, especially to that young Ref who left the pitch trying to hold back the tears, because he knew that was his last game.
Thought the Ref actually done OK tbf.