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What’s more important to the team?
Callumcafc
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Scoring goals or not conceding them?
Been a lot of debate around our (apparent lack of) a strike force recently yet we’ve just kept three clean sheets in a row.
Of course 2-2 3-2 3-4 would be a more entertaining way of gaining seven points but could you make an argument that 0-0 1-0 0-1 has us better set for long term success?
Thoughts?
Been a lot of debate around our (apparent lack of) a strike force recently yet we’ve just kept three clean sheets in a row.
Of course 2-2 3-2 3-4 would be a more entertaining way of gaining seven points but could you make an argument that 0-0 1-0 0-1 has us better set for long term success?
Thoughts?
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To win a game of football you need to do both.6
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According to Jimmy Stone, Chris Powell would often say
"Goals win games, clean sheets win titles"28 -
ExactlyAdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.0 -
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All good runs start with a 0-0. At this early stage of team building, clean sheets have a bigger effect.4
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Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.1 -
With a new team, setting up tight and not conceding is no bad thing. As the team gel and Bowyer sorts his best formation then hopefully we become more expansive and start scoring more to win 3-0 / 4-0 or 8-0 each week.4
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Also seems to be a lot of suggestion that we are setting up to grind out 1-0 wins with defensive football. We know from multiple interviews with LB & TS that's not the case - we are working towards attacking football and to always play on the front foot. We're just not there yet.
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10 days ago this squad hadn't met, im more than happy with a few 1 0 wins while they figure eachother out.11
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Defences decide how many games you loose, attacks decide how many you win.
Without the benifit of months of planning, a proper preseason and signing players who hadn't played for 6 months because of the "shit going on" Bowyer has got it spot on.
You play your most experienced players while you bed the others in. You stop loosing matches. Then you start winning them.
He could have picked a very different 11 against Wigan but then had to make 8 changes for Blackpool, then 8 more for Saturday.
It sounds bloody obvious but it's easier to reduce the number of goals you concede quickly. He can't even get them on the training ground to work on patterns of attacking play or combinations. That will come with time.
If I could only have one, I would keep a clean sheet every week for "being successful" but score 2 goals every week for "entertainment".8 -
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You do as if you set up too defensively then you play deeper, invite pressure on and increased play in your half and final third, you lose your outlet and threat. You increase opposition confidence as they can build momentum as there is less chance of you proving an attacking threat. Your striker(s) lose confidence and play largely isolated. To play successfully that way you need a real stand out striker in your pack who can play isolated, like a Drogba.Henry Irving said:
Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
You have to have a balance. People talk about a strong bench, and a game Is won over the full 90+ mins, not just a starting line up. But if retrospectively after a game there’s still a couple of players who didn’t make it on who would have been a better option than those on the pitch then you probably got that balance wrong in that instance.5 -
Attacking lines can switch, subbed regularly, try different things.
But a solid effective back line is so valuable in any tier in football and can be the mainstay of a successful season.
It's refreshing to have the prospect of not worrying when a ball is played into the box every few minutes.
New team which has started well.1 -
How do you win a game of football without scoring a goal?Henry Irving said:
Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.2 -
Chunes said:
How do you win a game of football without scoring a goal?Henry Irving said:
Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.You can also concede goals and still win a game!That was the point.5 -
This is turning into too much algebra for my likingbobmunro said:Chunes said:
How do you win a game of football without scoring a goal?Henry Irving said:
Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.You can also concede goals and still win a game!That was the point.0 -
Read it again.Chunes said:
How do you win a game of football without scoring a goal?Henry Irving said:
Err, no you don't.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
You don't have to do BOTH
You can win 2 - 1 or 7 - 6 so you can concede and still win.0 -
Completely wrong.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
To win a game of football you have to score at least 1 goal.
End of.
QED. Scoring a goal is far more important than letting one in. If you never conceed, but never score either you will end up with 46 0-0 draws......46 points. Most likely get relegated.
It really is that simple. Attack is more important than defence. Score more goals than the opposition & you win. Whether that is 1-0 or 7-6.
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AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
You attempt to do both but we will take 2-1 or on a rare occasion 3-2.
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To win a game of football you gave to score more goals than your opponent. Some teams do it by being strong defensively and some by being better all over the pitch. The second of these is the way you win titles.
I was not too excited because whilst I thought we were the better team, we made hard work of it, especially after the start we had. Bowyer says we will get better and I'm glad to hear him say that. We need to. I expect promotion from this league.0 -
Bloody hell. I think we all know what Ad meant.4
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I think Bowyer is right to start with getting the defence right in view of the fact that we have so many new faces. It takes longer for players to get to know each other’s attacking styles. It would have meant a tough season if the new-look team had started with two or three entertaining 3-2 defeats. Patience needed. Think where we were just a few weeks ago.4
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I am not sure if this applies in all cases, but when we bought Mendonca the rest of the team played with more confidence and believed in themselves more,
That was probably because the first chance he got he would score. Over to you Chuks or whoever, no pressure.0 -
I always felt last season, and especially under Robinson a few years back, that while we always used to pop up with a goal and it would often be the first one of the game, I was just waiting for the notification that told me the opposition had got one back. That's a surefire way to drop points. Last season when we got into the last fifteen minutes if we weren't 3 goals up, which we never were, it was going to be a horrible end to the game because we probably weren't going to hold on. Wins became draws and draws became losses, and if we'd been able to stop just one of those results happening we would have stayed up. I'm sure our goalscoring will improve as our new players bed in and become fitter and more familiar with each other, but I do feel like once we score we feel a lot more like we're going to hold out and see off games. That could change too, but I'm happier with our stronger defence at the moment. You can't just rely on scoring goals, nobody wants to be Peterborough
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We've kept 7 clean sheets in our last 15 league games but were relegated and currently sit in just 11th place. Spurs haven't kept a clean sheet in any of their last 10 matches but have only lost one of them - the only game, in fact, that they failed to score in. The moral of the story is that it's no good keeping a lot of clean sheets if you can't score.
Picking up 7 points from 3 games, which would give a side a record 107 points over the course of the season, through scoring just 2 goals does make a mockery of that though!
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Not 'end of' at all. Tell me about 1-2, 1-3, 1-4...golfaddick said:
Completely wrong.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
To win a game of football you have to score at least 1 goal.
End of.
QED. Scoring a goal is far more important than letting one in. If you never conceed, but never score either you will end up with 46 0-0 draws......46 points. Most likely get relegated.
It really is that simple. Attack is more important than defence. Score more goals than the opposition & you win. Whether that is 1-0 or 7-6.
Goals scored have exactly the same chances of influencing the outcome a game as goals conceded - they are all goals. Both important. Never neglect one or the other. If you have to prioritise, focus on developing the things you're poor at whilst maintaining the things you are good at.1 -
AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
Many posters on CL are anal (call for Kenneth Williams) ATA.
Tooth combs and Highly trained folk with ologies are waiting for any slip ups.
To achieve a myriad of clean sheets (think 5 star hotel) while scoring 1's and 2's on a regular basis will deliver a top 6 finish.
We embrace the sentiments if not the maths of "To win a game of football you need to do both"5 -
get the back 4 sorted first and he looks like he's done that.
then the midfield/front 6 will change depending on opposition etc.....luckily now we are in a position where we have various excellent options in this department when all available.4 -
You aren't guaranteed to pick up a point if you score. But you are guaranteed to do so if you don't concede. And you could win the League scoring just 20 goals all season if you don't concede any!golfaddick said:
Completely wrong.AdTheAddicK said:To win a game of football you need to do both.
To win a game of football you have to score at least 1 goal.
End of.
QED. Scoring a goal is far more important than letting one in. If you never conceed, but never score either you will end up with 46 0-0 draws......46 points. Most likely get relegated.
It really is that simple. Attack is more important than defence. Score more goals than the opposition & you win. Whether that is 1-0 or 7-6.
That said, I would much rather see us playing a more expansive and attacking game. But from a results perspective, two wins in our last two games and as an easy way of making money on Charlton matches, the way we are currently grinding out wins is fine.1 -
I think the expansive game is the sort of game that allows you to have a run. You have to be sufficiently better that your opponents, but I think that may well be the case. If you go for the 1-0s, there are too many opportunities for things to go wrong.
If you are good for at least two goals every game, you can afford to let one in every now and again and sometimes two.1 -
What I will say is that I didn't think Blackpool would equalise at any point, which is a marked contrast from our other defences of the recent past11
