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How Likely Are You To Take The Covid Vaccine?
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Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.9 -
Problem with being able to weigh up the risks is what do you do about it. Knowing that contracting Covid going forward might have an adverse cumulative effect does you little good. We’re all potentially exposed to the virus every day and there’s little that anyone can about that bar locking themselves away which is ridiculous. It’s a new virus and people and medicine is going to have to catch up with the reality.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.3 -
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.6 -
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
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I agree with all of that, except the word irrational. I think they are valid fears, as some people do die earlier than they would have done normally as a result of covid.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.1 -
Children are affected by Covid too, sending them to school to infect others may result in them suffering lifelong ill health. It seems that many are willing to sacrifice their children's health to live a 'normal' life.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
Have you actually read the link I posted on Sunday, which lists the findings of 122 different studies on the effects of different organs of the body. There are links to each study and how anybody reading that article could still feel that it's ok for their children to have multiple infections staggers me.
I've posted the link again in case you do want to read it.
https://whn.global/scientific/spectrum-of-covid-19-from-asymptomatic-organ-damage-to-long-covid-syndrome/?s=09&fbclid=IwAR3PaZwQDHThxEWSGcMIaiNaRHZD5cV1hU6Dqwj2LlI2DJfgi3RpUuAHGak
One of the best mitigations is for public places to have clean air by fitting filtration systems, we should all be demanding it. The social and economic costs of constant ill health should be a consideration, we already have 2.8 million adults suffering long term illness and absenteeism due to sickness is very high in schools.
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If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.0 -
At a minimum we should be cleaning the air we breathe in public places, to reduce the risks of infection. Even this Government has that as good advice, just a shame they won't put it in place in all our schools.ShootersHillGuru said:
Problem with being able to weigh up the risks is what do you do about it. Knowing that contracting Covid going forward might have an adverse cumulative effect does you little good. We’re all potentially exposed to the virus every day and there’s little that anyone can about that bar locking themselves away which is ridiculous. It’s a new virus and people and medicine is going to have to catch up with the reality.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ventilation-to-reduce-the-spread-of-respiratory-infections-including-covid-19#Ventilation%20in%20The%20Workplace%20and%20Non-Domestic%20Settings
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At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.1 -
Both my parents, 93 and 88, currently have COVID. Likely picked up at a hospital appointment last Monday. Both only have minor symptoms and don't feel too bad. Very surprised hospitals don't at least promote mask wearing when on the premises.3
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You can't manage your own risks all the time that you are at the mercy of others who don't care if they infect you. The vast majority of people are under the impression that there is little risk on catching Covid. If they were aware that they risk serious illness, and reduced immunity to other diseases they might think differently.AndyG said:
At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
It is the fact that there is concerted effort to downplay and hide what this virus can do is what angers me.
Many people catch Covid in hospital, the place they should be safe, but infection control and public health are now very low priority. It's definitely the responsibility of the authorities to keep people safe.1 -
Thank god I never voted for them.ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
I hope you didn't either4 -
ME14addick said:
You can't manage your own risks all the time that you are at the mercy of others who don't care if they infect you. The vast majority of people are under the impression that there is little risk on catching Covid. If they were aware that they risk serious illness, and reduced immunity to other diseases they might think differently.AndyG said:
At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
It is the fact that there is concerted effort to downplay and hide what this virus can do is what angers me.
Many people catch Covid in hospital, the place they should be safe, but infection control and public health are now very low priority. It's definitely the responsibility of the authorities to keep people safe.
There are hundreds of viruses which can infect humans, these, in addition to bacteria, genetic disorders and trauma injuries make up a huge number of things that can harm or kill us.We can only afford to spend huge amounts on public health campaigns on those that are the most prevalent, harmful and easily mitigated.In the early days of COVID the prevalence and harm justified this spend. Now the equation has shifted, COVID is no longer causing the same number of deaths as heart disease or some types of cancer. Nor is it the leading cause of long term sick leave (this being mental health, which incidentally was worsened by COVID restrictions).My point is, you seem to be fixated on COVID when the fact is, it's just one of many public health issues, all deserving of some attention, but none of which can justify the tunnel vision from the authorities which you're demanding.13 -
Exactly this and put so much better than I was managing thank you 🙏ForestHillAddick said:ME14addick said:
You can't manage your own risks all the time that you are at the mercy of others who don't care if they infect you. The vast majority of people are under the impression that there is little risk on catching Covid. If they were aware that they risk serious illness, and reduced immunity to other diseases they might think differently.AndyG said:
At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
It is the fact that there is concerted effort to downplay and hide what this virus can do is what angers me.
Many people catch Covid in hospital, the place they should be safe, but infection control and public health are now very low priority. It's definitely the responsibility of the authorities to keep people safe.
There are hundreds of viruses which can infect humans, these, in addition to bacteria, genetic disorders and trauma injuries make up a huge number of things that can harm or kill us.We can only afford to spend huge amounts on public health campaigns on those that are the most prevalent, harmful and easily mitigated.In the early days of COVID the prevalence and harm justified this spend. Now the equation has shifted, COVID is no longer causing the same number of deaths as heart disease or some types of cancer. Nor is it the leading cause of long term sick leave (this being mental health, which incidentally was worsened by COVID restrictions).My point is, you seem to be fixated on COVID when the fact is, it's just one of many public health issues, all deserving of some attention, but none of which can justify the tunnel vision from the authorities which you're demanding.0 -
You honestly think spamming CL with links available to everyone is going to suddenly to mean people want to deprive their kids of an education?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.You’re not saying anything new, people know; they just accept the risk and value life and education.3 -
I am not trying to deprive kids of an education, I'm suggesting the exact opposite. There is a huge amount of absenteeism at the moment because of sickness, we do have the tools to reduce this - better filtration of air and people not going out to infect others if ill. One sick child going to school may infect many more, they then go home and spread it further.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You honestly think spamming CL with links available to everyone is going to suddenly to mean people want to deprive their kids of an education?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.You’re not saying anything new, people know; they just accept the risk and value life and education.
I am not scamming CL, every day I could post links to scientific evidence of the harm that a Covid infection can do to the body, I don't because it would just get the same reaction as my post did on Sunday. I thought that one post which gave links to 122 other studies giving evidence of how the whole body can be affected should be shared with others.
I doubt that China is any different but that information is not available to everyone in the UK, because they are being lulled into a false sense of security on what Covid can do. If the information were to be published/broadcast in the mainstream media, more would be demanding measures to keep them safe.
We have a new virus, with so much more information on the harms that even a mild infection can have. We all value life, but with each infection that quality of life is at risk.0 -
Having a Covid infection can cause all of those illnesses.ForestHillAddick said:ME14addick said:
You can't manage your own risks all the time that you are at the mercy of others who don't care if they infect you. The vast majority of people are under the impression that there is little risk on catching Covid. If they were aware that they risk serious illness, and reduced immunity to other diseases they might think differently.AndyG said:
At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
It is the fact that there is concerted effort to downplay and hide what this virus can do is what angers me.
Many people catch Covid in hospital, the place they should be safe, but infection control and public health are now very low priority. It's definitely the responsibility of the authorities to keep people safe.
There are hundreds of viruses which can infect humans, these, in addition to bacteria, genetic disorders and trauma injuries make up a huge number of things that can harm or kill us.We can only afford to spend huge amounts on public health campaigns on those that are the most prevalent, harmful and easily mitigated.In the early days of COVID the prevalence and harm justified this spend. Now the equation has shifted, COVID is no longer causing the same number of deaths as heart disease or some types of cancer. Nor is it the leading cause of long term sick leave (this being mental health, which incidentally was worsened by COVID restrictions).My point is, you seem to be fixated on COVID when the fact is, it's just one of many public health issues, all deserving of some attention, but none of which can justify the tunnel vision from the authorities which you're demanding.1 -
For anyone who is actually interested in the thousands of studies into SARS-Cov-2 the following is a useful source, it's not spam or misinformation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR0bRpgnK6N0YkdjFBET0Gf9pxRn9ljMPMiM61L-TdBiXpemIiwQUR89UCU
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This from ME14
I thought that one post which gave links to 122 other studies giving evidence of how the whole body can be affected should be shared with others
You cannot be unaware of the numerous posts that ask/suggest you allow people to make their own decisions on what they do or don't decide to research or, indeed, how they conduct their own behaviour with regard to all things Covid.
No doubt you will protest that you are simply imparting 'information' that you think will be beneficial to the subject which in itself might be of some virtue and which you are perfectly entitled to post, but it's the relentlessly, repetitious voluminous nature of it that becomes tiresome in the extreme.
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Yes, alongside smoking, poor diet, hepatitis, herpes (in fact quite a few other viruses), stress, the list goes on.ME14addick said:
Having a Covid infection can cause all of those illnesses.ForestHillAddick said:ME14addick said:
You can't manage your own risks all the time that you are at the mercy of others who don't care if they infect you. The vast majority of people are under the impression that there is little risk on catching Covid. If they were aware that they risk serious illness, and reduced immunity to other diseases they might think differently.AndyG said:
At no point have I said that I have confidence in the management of the situation infact I think exactly the opposite ! But that’s my point I don’t want my life managed by anyone else I prefer to manage things myself and as such I conduct my own mental risk assessments and live my life accordingly but ofcourse there is always a chance I will get it wrong and maybe get run over crossing the road should I insist that the authorities protect me from that eventuality ?ME14addick said:
If you've listened to any of the Covid Inquiry, you will have heard that most of the UK Government response was an absolute shambles, so to have confidence in the management of the ongoing situation is misplaced.AndyG said:
I'm sure there have been political and financial decisions made over the last 2 years in respect of a response to the threat of Covid. I would be very disappointed if there hadnt mate. But again I will ask my question what can we do ? I personally choose to live my life doing the things I like to do and try not to worry about what may or may not happen if I catch Covid, yes I still do things that I didnt do pre Covid like hand wash regulary etc but I have no desire to see any kind of restrictions in schools or general living. All the people who seem to want action taken seem willing to sacrifice childrens education along with the social wellbeing of the general public to appease their own irrational fearsRizzo said:
I would frankly be astonished if more than a small fraction of people in this country were aware of the potential cumulative dangers of repeated Covid infections. I think you're giving the general public way too much credit and also downplaying the very deliberate, financial and political decisions that have been taken over the last 2 years to basically bury Covid.blackpool72 said:
Here you go again.ME14addick said:
You're missing the point, most people know nothing about all these studies that suggest that Covid causes damage to the body. People should be told so they can weigh up the risks.AndyG said:
So what is the answer ? shut things down ? harm childrens education ? ruin the economy ? to stop what ?ME14addick said:
When there is evidence of harm to humans by Covid infection, and that evidence is not being communicated to the public, it takes people like me to get that information out there. There is a lot of evidence out there of the harms and it is growing, my post on Sunday gave links to just 122 of them, there are many more.Rob said:You’re obsessed @ME14addick.
As in the Post Office scandal, it sometimes takes people like me to keep informing others, people in that case were not believed for many years, this has the potential to be another scandal.
I dont think the population need evidence communicated to them anymore than it already is tbh. Everybody is aware that Covid is here to stay and yes sadly some people will die but guess what everybody dies of something, that isnt me being flippant but it is true we ALL die at some point. Some people it seems are too afraid to actually live until that time comes.
You just presume that most people are not aware of the information that is out there.
Plenty of us are aware of the dangers but we chose to live our lives as normally as possible and not let Covid rule our lives.
It is the fact that there is concerted effort to downplay and hide what this virus can do is what angers me.
Many people catch Covid in hospital, the place they should be safe, but infection control and public health are now very low priority. It's definitely the responsibility of the authorities to keep people safe.
There are hundreds of viruses which can infect humans, these, in addition to bacteria, genetic disorders and trauma injuries make up a huge number of things that can harm or kill us.We can only afford to spend huge amounts on public health campaigns on those that are the most prevalent, harmful and easily mitigated.In the early days of COVID the prevalence and harm justified this spend. Now the equation has shifted, COVID is no longer causing the same number of deaths as heart disease or some types of cancer. Nor is it the leading cause of long term sick leave (this being mental health, which incidentally was worsened by COVID restrictions).My point is, you seem to be fixated on COVID when the fact is, it's just one of many public health issues, all deserving of some attention, but none of which can justify the tunnel vision from the authorities which you're demanding.
Again, the point is COVID is one of a number of competing public health issues all trying to be managed by the authorities on a finite budget and by a public with a finite capacity to be perpetually terrified.
All your previous posts and references to studies seem to have been to persuade us the virus can be and still is harmful. Nobody is denying that.
What I'm interested in, is what is your rationale though, for spending several billions on air filtration systems in public spaces (as a minimum), to not eradicate, but merely reduce the frequency of transmission of COVID versus say, using that money on improving access to mental health treatment, increased cancer screenings, better access to sports facilities?
Do you have any studies which weigh up the costs and the benefits of the measures you're asking for against the costs and the benefits of other potential public health initiatives?5 - Sponsored links:
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Redskin said:This from ME14
I thought that one post which gave links to 122 other studies giving evidence of how the whole body can be affected should be shared with others
You cannot be unaware of the numerous posts that ask/suggest you allow people to make their own decisions on what they do or don't decide to research or, indeed, how they conduct their own behaviour with regard to all things Covid.
No doubt you will protest that you are simply imparting 'information' that you think will be beneficial to the subject which in itself might be of some virtue and which you are perfectly entitled to post, but it's the relentlessly, repetitious voluminous nature of it that becomes tiresome in the extreme.
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Whilst interested in studies I feel that @ME14addick you are being blinkered to the complexities of these kind of things.
i totally agree that long term effects of Covid are potentially nasty but there is way more at play here.
There is a large negative impact on children if they have a long time out of school (potentially life long).There is also an argument that the under developed immune systems of children is dependant on exposure to germs/bugs/etc to make them healthier and better able to fight off infections throughout their life.
even things like spending on air filtration have an issue. Partly linking back to me previous points about immune systems but also with schools nationwide needing massive amounts of repairs to avoid them falling down and closing for all children. Money spent on retrofitting for air filtration will reduce money available for this.
ultimately all this is important as is stopping people getting ill from Covid both acutely and chronically. However, we cannot and should not focus on one of these things in isolation because that is not how life works.7 -
You could get the impression from reading this thread that the general public are spending lots of time reading scientific papers about covid and immersing themselves in the virtues (or otherwise) of taking greater precautions. I don't believe that's true. I've not read one paper since lockdown days, in fact I don't even read newspaper articles on it. Given my general propensity to read whatever is put in front of me, I'd be amazed if any but a tiny minority are reading such materials either. Frankly, I only log on to this thread, because I started it so I'm the lucky bugger that gets a notification every time someone posts something. Covid may not be dead, but in my mind it is certainly dormant, and frankly that's the way I like it. I just want to get on with life and don't want to have to think about it. I'm not denying that it poses a risk, but for me the risk is too small to worry about. If I really wanted to improve my health-chances I'd cut down on booze, eat a healthier diet and do more exercise. I'm sure they would have a greater beneficial effect than wearing a mask, campaigning for public air filtration or worrying about what other people's kids are doing. To be honest though, I'm not that fussed and would rather just enjoy the time I have right now.
If there's a case for greater public investment in covid measures, then it'll need to be taken into consideration against other needs. For me the key things on the health front would be getting the waiting lists down; recruiting, training and paying NHS staff properly so that they want to stay; ensuring that people have fast access to diagnosis and treatment whenever they need it. The key things for education would be ensuring that kids are in a safe environment; ensuring there's enough support for all kids to get the attention they need; ensuring sufficient resources so that all kids can engage properly in a wide and varied curricula. I don't think covid measures would come anywhere near the top of my wish list. Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but it'll stay that way until either there are news reports telling me how bad the covid situation has become or until I get first hand experience of covid being a major problem.10 -
A new report by global economics consultancy Cambridge Econometrics reveals that Long Covid could have wider economic ramifications for the UK causing a drag on economic growth and added pressure on the NHS if no long-term healthcare funding commitments are made.
Funded by direct giving fund Balvi, and in partnership with Professor Emeritus in Public Health Ruairidh Milne from the University of Southampton, the report used available evidence on the cost of Long Covid treatment, economic inactivity among those living with the condition, and prevalence in the UK population to consider the long-term macroeconomic impacts on wider UK society by 2030.
Based on the assumption that there are no long-term healthcare funding commitments to manage Long Covid, the results estimate that Long Covid is likely to reduce GDP by around £1.5bn and 138,000 jobs each year. Were prevalence to increase to 4 million people per year by 2030, the negative impacts would increase to a reduction of around £2.7bn in GDP and 311,000 job losses each year.
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What is a word for extremely obsessed?obsessed (adjective as in consumed, driven about belief, desire) Strongest matches. captivated dominated haunted preoccupied troubled. Strong matches. bedeviled beset bewitched controlled dogged engrossed fixated gripped harassed held hooked infatuated overpowered plagued possessed prepossessed seized tormented.2
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This a thread about Covid you don't have to open it if it bothers you.Covered End said:What is a word for extremely obsessed?obsessed (adjective as in consumed, driven about belief, desire) Strongest matches. captivated dominated haunted preoccupied troubled. Strong matches. bedeviled beset bewitched controlled dogged engrossed fixated gripped harassed held hooked infatuated overpowered plagued possessed prepossessed seized tormented.
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For some people Covid is a very serious subject especially people who are perhaps immunosuppressed, immunocompromised, have Chrones or Lupus and that's just for starters.
Yes, there are more antivirals out there but the odds are still not good if treatment is delayed.
It must be lovely to wander around the earth not caring about Covid because people think it's just another respiratory disease.. If only.
I agree with some that filtration systems are never going to happen and are not cost effective, kids staying off school is virtually impossible.. However, the one thing I'd like to see and it's simple really is for the general public to show a little more personal hygiene when out and about, to see people coughing and sneezing without a care in the world is really frustrating. Unfortunately in South East Asia the population in most cases wears a mask when they're not well. That level of respect sadly will never happen here in the UK which after Covid I naively thought people would be more considerate, however the exact opposite has happened.
This is a Covid forum but if it's going to become just another name calling blog then it should be taken down. I don't think it's right to say someone is obsessed or fixated, there's surely a more polite way of expressing an opinion than that.
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I hope they get better.LargeAddick said:Both my parents, 93 and 88, currently have COVID. Likely picked up at a hospital appointment last Monday. Both only have minor symptoms and don't feel too bad. Very surprised hospitals don't at least promote mask wearing when on the premises.3 -
When I heard his words that there was no pandemic, that hospitals were empty and there were no deaths I stopped listening. It's unbelievable that these people actually believe that the whole world would shut down as a hoax.
It's despicable and so disrespectful to the friends and families of all those who died before their time.
I don't think this thread should be closed as Covid is too important at a subject to be off limits, but posting such conspiracy theory nonsense is not acceptable.0 -
Your aptly miniscule picture of what I presumed you hoped would portray a black pot and kettle, is - as ever - ill thought out.Chizz said:Redskin said:This from ME14
I thought that one post which gave links to 122 other studies giving evidence of how the whole body can be affected should be shared with others
You cannot be unaware of the numerous posts that ask/suggest you allow people to make their own decisions on what they do or don't decide to research or, indeed, how they conduct their own behaviour with regard to all things Covid.
No doubt you will protest that you are simply imparting 'information' that you think will be beneficial to the subject which in itself might be of some virtue and which you are perfectly entitled to post, but it's the relentlessly, repetitious voluminous nature of it that becomes tiresome in the extreme.
With nothing better to do than wait for my pastry to chill, I trawled back five pages and counted the number of posts ME14 and myself had posted:
Me - 2
ME14 - 51
My contribution to this thread is not regular and certainly not voluminous. Repitious, perhaps, and posts which people found uncomfortable reading, but not with the monotonous regularity of ME14's, whose perseverance I actually have a grudging respect for.
Get your dainty little finger on the LOL button as it is your go to when you've got nothing.
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