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Alfie Doughty - Signed for another club (p19)

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  • Flogging a dead horse.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    Losing our most exciting prospect in the last few years for peanuts it seems. It’s the Charlton way. I don’t blame TS as it was previous owners fault but frustrating none the less. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    "Its not the lads choice...he wanted to come back...."

    Maybe TS's choice....?  Get someone in now who can play half the season & maybe we could sign in the summer, rather than a player who plays the last 6 weeks & is then gone.
    Think it's probably Bowyer/Gallens myself - they won't want him to come back and take up wages/spaces if we'll get like 4 games out of him at half fitness at the end of the season. Just carrying dead weight then aren't we, and adds another job to the physio teams workload unnecessarily. 
    The decision was taken on medical advice and it was most certainly not the outcome Alfie wanted.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,269
    If he signed a new 2 year deal with us and re-found his early season form for us he'd be getting a move to a much better team than Stoke. Shame as it's clearly his agent that's pushed this through more than anyone
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    sam3110 said:
    If he signed a new 2 year deal with us and re-found his early season form for us he'd be getting a move to a much better team than Stoke. Shame as it's clearly his agent that's pushed this through more than anyone
    A risk, and by securing the move now he has mitigated that risk.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    bobmunro said:
    sam3110 said:
    If he signed a new 2 year deal with us and re-found his early season form for us he'd be getting a move to a much better team than Stoke. Shame as it's clearly his agent that's pushed this through more than anyone
    A risk, and by securing the move now he has mitigated that risk.
    'securing the move now' - done deal says bob !!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Wait how many loanees do we have? 

    Famewo
    Smyth
    Millar
    Maatsen
    Shinnie

    If all are fit and in a match day squad, that's all we can have anyway right? So any additional loanees either will replace one of these in the squad or won't make the squad, thus being a waste of money. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    bobmunro said:
    sam3110 said:
    If he signed a new 2 year deal with us and re-found his early season form for us he'd be getting a move to a much better team than Stoke. Shame as it's clearly his agent that's pushed this through more than anyone
    A risk, and by securing the move now he has mitigated that risk.
    'securing the move now' - done deal says bob !!
    Allegedly!  
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited January 2021
    ColinTat said:
    He doesnt take up wages as he's under 21.  
    No but if he comes back then he's taking up a loan slot
    But loan slots only count towards match day squad. You don't need Doughty, Millar and Smyth in the same squad (imo)
  • Valley27000
    Valley27000 Posts: 3,417
    Happen by the end of today?.
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  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    bobmunro said:
    "Its not the lads choice...he wanted to come back...."

    Maybe TS's choice....?  Get someone in now who can play half the season & maybe we could sign in the summer, rather than a player who plays the last 6 weeks & is then gone.
    Think it's probably Bowyer/Gallens myself - they won't want him to come back and take up wages/spaces if we'll get like 4 games out of him at half fitness at the end of the season. Just carrying dead weight then aren't we, and adds another job to the physio teams workload unnecessarily. 
    The decision was taken on medical advice and it was most certainly not the outcome Alfie wanted.
    Not listening to you anymore, you said you would “have a word” and tell your boss to take Bogle instead.  ;)
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    How is his injury healing going? A full hamstring tear is going to need some nursing back to full fitness 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Dazzler21 said:
    ColinTat said:
    He doesnt take up wages as he's under 21.  
    No but if he comes back then he's taking up a loan slot
    But loan slots only count towards match day squad. You don't need Doughty, Millar and Smyth in the same squad (imo)
    I’d agree with that. Although saying that if you had say Williams out injured and were playing 442 you’d like the option of one of them on the bench. 

    Given injuries and the amount of games, I think having 6 loanees is a reasonable thing to do. Just never thought having Doughty back was good business given his injury. What would be an intelligent thing to do is let Stoke have him a bit cheaper and loan one of their players with Stoke paying the salary. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,807
    If we’ve got a million, for a player who massively relies on his pace, coming back from a serious hamstring injury, and out of contract in 6 months seems like good business to me
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Rothko said:
    If we’ve got a million, for a player who massively relies on his pace, coming back from a serious hamstring injury, and out of contract in 6 months seems like good business to me
    I agree. But let’s not forget the stick Roland got for selling Grant for more in fairly similar circumstances. Admittedly the injury is the difference but 1mil is very low risk. If he returns at 75% the player and fulfils half of his potential it’s an absolute bargain. 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,222
    Dazzler21 said:
    Wait how many loanees do we have? 

    Famewo
    Smyth
    Millar
    Maatsen
    Shinnie

    If all are fit and in a match day squad, that's all we can have anyway right? So any additional loanees either will replace one of these in the squad or won't make the squad, thus being a waste of money. 
    Come on now, think before you write. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    edited January 2021
    LB, LWB,LW,RFD all the positions Doughty has played for us in about a season.

    He's brought an attacking threat in games but having not played for so long, we need to move on. Sadly we have done so for now, but for the worse.
  • Rothko said:
    If we’ve got a million, for a player who massively relies on his pace, coming back from a serious hamstring injury, and out of contract in 6 months seems like good business to me
    I agree. But let’s not forget the stick Roland got for selling Grant for more in fairly similar circumstances. Admittedly the injury is the difference but 1mil is very low risk. If he returns at 75% the player and fulfils half of his potential it’s an absolute bargain. 
    Main stick for Roland was that he let Grants contract get to 6 months as he did with so many others and that backed us into a corner.  TS never really had that chance with Doughty, how he manages other kids contracts will be interesting.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Rothko said:
    If we’ve got a million, for a player who massively relies on his pace, coming back from a serious hamstring injury, and out of contract in 6 months seems like good business to me
    I agree. But let’s not forget the stick Roland got for selling Grant for more in fairly similar circumstances. Admittedly the injury is the difference but 1mil is very low risk. If he returns at 75% the player and fulfils half of his potential it’s an absolute bargain. 
    Main stick for Roland was that he let Grants contract get to 6 months as he did with so many others and that backed us into a corner.  TS never really had that chance with Doughty, how he manages other kids contracts will be interesting.
    Ah don’t get me wrong I’m not here to start defending Roland. But people were still annoyed at the price, but Doughty is going to be less. 
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    He wants to leave, let's just get it over and done with and move on.
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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,807
    I’m not convinced he has much more then pace in a straight line, and if he loses a bit because of the injury he becomes a ok championship player at best.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    Rothko said:
    If we’ve got a million, for a player who massively relies on his pace, coming back from a serious hamstring injury, and out of contract in 6 months seems like good business to me
    I agree. But let’s not forget the stick Roland got for selling Grant for more in fairly similar circumstances. Admittedly the injury is the difference but 1mil is very low risk. If he returns at 75% the player and fulfils half of his potential it’s an absolute bargain. 
    Main stick for Roland was that he let Grants contract get to 6 months as he did with so many others and that backed us into a corner.  TS never really had that chance with Doughty, how he manages other kids contracts will be interesting.
    Good signs so far. Both Barker and Maynard-Brewer have signed new deals this season off the back of one or two decent showings when we've needed them to play. Doughty should have been given a new deal after the Sheffield Wednesday match he started but Roland never did understand football.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Happen by the end of today?.
    Hope so, I don’t think I can face another sleepless night worrying about it. 
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    I like Alfie but he’s no Ronaldo. A bit of a one trick pony.   If he wants to go and there is a doubt about his recovery (and I guess a question mark about future vulnerability) then cash in but spend the process wisely please.  I won’t lament his going as much as some of the others we’ve lost in recent years. 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Won't say too much about young players jumping ship too early, but thanks at least for agreeing to go now to an EFL club rather than totally shafting us
  • hudson-son-son
    hudson-son-son Posts: 2,645
    edited January 2021
    Oh so here are all the posts coming saying he's not actually that good after all now he's left, classic.

    We can't have one more situation like this where we get an absolute pittance for every youth player who comes through our system other than Lookman (I know he wasn't an academy player), obviously I realise there is the crossover from Roland but this is ridiculous to still be happening
  • SamB09
    SamB09 Posts: 901
    From Bromley to Stoke in just over a year.  Can’t help but think he should of proved himself a bit more, i mean 29 apps and 2 goals last season is hardly pulling up trees. 

    Hope he does go on to do well though.
  • Hopefully the last prospect to be lost for small fry, we have already got our other young prospects signed up to decent deals now.
  • another youngster goes and from those on here not for much. so what did we get for him? 10 bob and some pottery??