This is the first time this season I think that not only will we not go up automatically, we will not even finish in the top 6.
The first half wasn't too bad but that second half was abysmal. Clueless. Pathetic. Call it what you want.
Something is seriously not right. Are the players worse than we think? Looking at some of the names we have - established internationals, Championship experienced - is it hard to believe that is right.
So is it the manager? Well, it's becoming increasingly hard to think otherwise. This continual chopping and changing can't be helping. The last 3 games we have played a diamond, a flat 4-4-2 and now tonight 4-3-3. Presumably on Tuesday it will be a 3-5-2. For heavens sake, bowyer just pick a formation and play your best players.
And tonight, I just don't understand taking Washington off for Aneke. Surely he should have been playing up front with Aneke.
Schwartz must be wondering just what on earth he has walked into. Bogle must be pissing himself laughing. And TS must be watching this and thinking I've put £10 million pounds into this club. WTF is going on.
Couldn't agree more... I know some fans want to keep LB but surely you cant keep defending the indefensible... There is something not right in that dressing room!
Nothing to add that I havent been saying for a few weeks now
Individuals keep costing us... Bowyer cant and shouldnt have be making every single decision for them
Every week its Bowyer should be doing this, should be doing that
Managers get sacked, players continue on as though they've done fuck all wrong when they need to take a large amout of responsibility
Alright. Then who was it that got these players in? Was that not Lee Bowyer? Didn't make very good choices then did he!? I thought his mantra was to bring in players who could be captains. Players who could take the responsibility. Well, it's not working out too well then is it!?
For me the blame falls with him. But apologists can carry on all day long because that's just what they do. And, you sir, have turned into one of the biggest apologists on this site.
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Really weird game. We weren’t completely awful. We created when we sent the ball wide and had some decent chances today. Their keeper made at least four excellent saves, there were some good last ditch blocks and one cleared off the line at the end. If just one of those had gone in then it would have been a different game. Unfortunately we came up against a good keeper performance for a very good team. Accrington are a good side and just because they’re Accrington we shouldn’t pretend that’s not the case. We had 9 shots on target to their 3 but they were more clinical. Aside from that though, our big problem is that we’re absolutely rank in transition. It didn’t help that our proper holding midfielders were out but we had three centre mids who wanted to get forward with every attack and it left our back four exposed. They had a lot of time to hit us on the counter but they didn’t take great advantage. In the end they did us with a terrible defensive error and an instance where we had a few chances to clear our lines and didn’t.
There’s been real doom on here before and during the game but I don’t really see why. We set up in a good shape with a decent line up. There was a lot of weeping about Williams and Maddison not starting but when they came on we completely lost our shape and went to pieces and let them back in for their goal. Aneke also didn’t offer enough when he came on. We lacked cohesion and I think the best thing we can do now is stick with the shape and a similar line up and try and get some familiarity between the players. It’s a disappointing result but we weren’t actually awful against a decent side. We really need our better players back because the players we have fit aren’t slotting together well
I'm sorry but we were awful in the second half - plain embarrassing.
Woaaaaaaaaooooowwwww... Bows lost it, how can you scapegoat Maddisson!?!?
Bowyer losing all respect now with that ffs
Keeps my respect for that!!... He picked out Williams for it @ Shrewsbury, doesnt do it tonight when Maddison does the same and he looks a prick to Williams
Tonight shows its never personal with him
Genuinely don't get your stance mate. Your happy to slag off players, and for the manager to do that publicly, but you get so wound up if anyone does for Bowyer. Why do you think he can do no wrong?
To have a manager talking about his own players like that after he sent them out there is a disgrace, if he’s still employed in the morning there is something wrong. What an embarrassment for the whole club.
Woaaaaaaaaooooowwwww... Bows lost it, how can you scapegoat Maddisson!?!?
Bowyer losing all respect now with that ffs
Keeps my respect for that!!... He picked out Williams for it @ Shrewsbury, doesnt do it tonight when Maddison does the same and he looks a prick to Williams
Tonight shows its never personal with him
He should never had said that about Williams either and could have publicly apologised for it
We managed to get this team and squad assembled with no money, rushed and with a wage cap in a matter of weeks having for 2 years consistantly Lost our best player
bowyer will have known it wld be a struggle and to be fair evn on that good run we had kept down plying it saying we are not where we need to be and shouldnt get carried away
clearly we havent got good enough players to be at or close to the top right now
in a normal season with no cap and with gd owner like we now have we wld have a semi overhaul and add at least to the defense and midfield but simply we cant due to this poxy cap
a few months ago we nearly didnt have a club to even support and i think a few people need to chill out and realise that yes we aint playing great and have some sub standard players and yes bowyer has made mistakes but quite simply just to know we have a squad team and management to follow for years to come im happy with and wouldnt have it anyother way
people have short memories and bowyer has worked magic before lets not jump the gun here with all thats gone on to get us in this situation
I am in agreement with you, grateful to have a club still. Maybe that's why I'm not as angry as others that we ain't top 2. I would be ok in L1 for another season if TS and LB have a plan for the future. Unfortunately I see no plan.
Woaaaaaaaaooooowwwww... Bows lost it, how can you scapegoat Maddisson!?!?
Bowyer losing all respect now with that ffs
Keeps my respect for that!!... He picked out Williams for it @ Shrewsbury, doesnt do it tonight when Maddison does the same and he looks a prick to Williams
Tonight shows its never personal with him
Genuinely don't get your stance mate. Your happy to slag off players, and for the manager to do that publicly, but you get so wound up if anyone does for Bowyer. Why do you think he can do no wrong?
Because its the players out there making the mistakes... They're grown adults, what do they have to do wrong for people to stop blowing the sun up their arses?
I've seen performances like tonight where the players would be jeered off the pitch with chants of: "Your not fit to wear the shirt" - But its only ever the Managers fault on here
It was a pretty even first half on possession and goal attempts but Accrington's quality was higher throughout and in the end they won comprehensively. With Chuks coming on at half time we might reasonably have expected an improvement in the second half but instead of that we went downhill quickly and heads went down after the second goal. The lack of fighting spirit and self respect is very worrying.
We were generally poor defensively but the errors from Pearce for their first goal and pretty much every defender for their second were shocking. Of course we miss Inniss and Famewo but we really felt the absence of either Watson or Pratley shielding the back four. We were also powder puff in midfield, losing pretty much every challenge. Gilbey poor again, Morgan a headless chicken, Williams like a kid amongst men.
Positives were few but JFC was our best midfielder and young Millar did well on his debut.
Bowyer's interview on Sky was searingly honest, at least. I was dreading him claiming that we were the better side. Hard to see where the next three points are coming from.
I think that interview confirms that he has lost the players and if it wasn't before tonight it has now. Lee has lost it and needs to go. We need someone fresh in to give the players a lift and a fair chance to prove themselves. Lee basically just said Maddison will never play for us again. It's not only best for Charlton going forward Lee leaving but Lee's career himself.
Woaaaaaaaaooooowwwww... Bows lost it, how can you scapegoat Maddisson!?!?
Don't know who Bowyer thinks he is. Slags off every fucking player under the sun, never takes any blame for himself.
Even finds time to tell us we would have been better with Watson and Pratley!!! Would we fuck
Maddison did jump out of a tackle though.
He did but it wasn't by far the worst thing tonight. I've been critical of Maddison in the past but Bowyer is way out of order saying he doesn't care if its a bad injury. Any player there would be rightly fuming at comments like that from their manager if it was about them or one of their team mates.
Need to reflect on another poor performance but Bowyer’s repeated digging out of Marcus Maddison is pretty disgraceful in my view. There is clearly - clearly - a very personal issue between him and the player.
Marcus Maddison, allegedly jumping out of a tackle at the end of the game, was not the reason Charlton lost this game. We were 2-0 down, I think, when Maddison came on.
To say that he “didn’t know, didn’t care” about Maddison’s injury was completely over the top and bloody disgraceful.
Lockdown unfortunately has encouraged more instant ranting rather than cooling off in the pub or journey home before internet ranting.
Disappointing game. Think Bowyer spot on with comments about the effort of some of the players. By 3pm tomorrow lots of us will be wishing we had another game of ours to watch and moan about. We can’t predict what will happen if we do or don’t do this or that. That’s the beauty. We’re lucky to have a new owner and can’t believe the positive vibes have gone already. We’re just outside playoffs half way through season with a lot of injured players. A new owner with some loose change and a transfer window still open. Go for a walk take a few deep breaths and look forward to the next game.
Really weird game. We weren’t completely awful. We created when we sent the ball wide and had some decent chances today. Their keeper made at least four excellent saves, there were some good last ditch blocks and one cleared off the line at the end. If just one of those had gone in then it would have been a different game. Unfortunately we came up against a good keeper performance for a very good team. Accrington are a good side and just because they’re Accrington we shouldn’t pretend that’s not the case. We had 9 shots on target to their 3 but they were more clinical. Aside from that though, our big problem is that we’re absolutely rank in transition. It didn’t help that our proper holding midfielders were out but we had three centre mids who wanted to get forward with every attack and it left our back four exposed. They had a lot of time to hit us on the counter but they didn’t take great advantage. In the end they did us with a terrible defensive error and an instance where we had a few chances to clear our lines and didn’t.
There’s been real doom on here before and during the game but I don’t really see why. We set up in a good shape with a decent line up. There was a lot of weeping about Williams and Maddison not starting but when they came on we completely lost our shape and went to pieces and let them back in for their goal. Aneke also didn’t offer enough when he came on. We lacked cohesion and I think the best thing we can do now is stick with the shape and a similar line up and try and get some familiarity between the players. It’s a disappointing result but we weren’t actually awful against a decent side. We really need our better players back because the players we have fit aren’t slotting together well
Nicely written post Garrymanilow, can only hope that we can get it together ASAP
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Unfortunately I see no plan.
I've seen performances like tonight where the players would be jeered off the pitch with chants of: "Your not fit to wear the shirt" - But its only ever the Managers fault on here
We were generally poor defensively but the errors from Pearce for their first goal and pretty much every defender for their second were shocking. Of course we miss Inniss and Famewo but we really felt the absence of either Watson or Pratley shielding the back four. We were also powder puff in midfield, losing pretty much every challenge. Gilbey poor again, Morgan a headless chicken, Williams like a kid amongst men.
Positives were few but JFC was our best midfielder and young Millar did well on his debut.
Bowyer's interview on Sky was searingly honest, at least. I was dreading him claiming that we were the better side. Hard to see where the next three points are coming from.
It's not only best for Charlton going forward Lee leaving but Lee's career himself.
These are disgraceful public comments from any manager in any line of work.
Marcus Maddison, allegedly jumping out of a tackle at the end of the game, was not the reason Charlton lost this game. We were 2-0 down, I think, when Maddison came on.
To say that he “didn’t know, didn’t care” about Maddison’s injury was completely over the top and bloody disgraceful.