Accrington I would say we’re solid hard and in our faces and done a job on us. The starting point for league one teams to compete.
No way should bowyer go this squad ain’t as good as the last promotion squad but some of us think we just need to turn up to a league one match and win. don’t know if anyone has noticed but Sunderland are still in this league and have spent way more than we have so it’s not a given we are going to get out this league.
But bowyer has made mistakes but all manages do. Still don’t think we could find better
The biggest mistake I think his making is thinking we can play it out from the back. teams know we are going to do it now they press us high like Accrington did I lost count how many times the ball was played to Mattsen and he just hoofed it straight up the park to a Accrington player. We might as well just let Amos do that.
We need to be adaptable the team had no target man Friday because no one likes bogle and Aneke can’t play 90 minutes. Sorry but we got to have one of these 2 on the pitch to hold the ball up otherwise it comes straight back like on friday.
I know bogle doesn’t score enough but it’s the same as leaburn. used to be he needs to do a job and until we get a better target man he or aneke need to play.
It’s not really what I’d want to watch but this is league one it ain’t always going to be pretty football.
Accrington’s strikers were both out of none league but they done a job on us.
So I think we need to realise we ain’t going to tip tap passing through teams.
smyth on for schwarz if knackered at half time - get on the front foot for christ sake
i don't expect this, i expect another clueless line up and a defeat
Makes me laugh that the same people who absolutely slam Bowyer's tactics and team selection suggest a midfield made up entirely of 5 foot nothing attacking mids and no JFC (only CM tackling and showing up at the moment), at a time when we're shipping 2 goals a game.
I think Bowyer has made plenty of mistakes in recent weeks, but it just goes to show how clueless some of the outspoken critics are.
no idea what the team will be BUT make no mistake this is a huge game (personally I think it's a must win game) another performance like Friday and a defeat and I'd really fear for Lee (FWIW I'm in the LB to stay camp and I'm desperate for him to succeed with us) as I think the pressure will reach ridiculous levels and it will really test Thomas' resolve.
don't care how they do it, but we need to be solid and grind out a win somehow.....
If Bowyer is true to his rant, the midfield will be the same as on Friday so no point debating that. My issue is the three midgets up front. If you are going to play 4-3-3 (and first half Friday was as good as we have been for a while in relative terms), you can’t play Washington on his own in the middle of the three. It’s just not his game. For us to work 4-3-3 properly within our resources we need Chuks or Bogle to be the targetman. Tough on Washington who does loads of work, much of it unseen, but lacks quality. The only other selection issue for me is at fullback where Lee might chose to try one or two different full backs. I’m not a Purrington fan but with a pacy winger in front of him he can concentrate on defending. Maybe give Maatsen a rest as he’s looking flaky. Matthews for Gunter is a toss up for me although I don’t think Matthews has been the same player for us this season as he was last. Didn’t he re-sign as a last resort? Maybe one of those who is finding motivation hard to come by under the current circumstances. Pearce and Deji select themselves by default. I wouldn’t be agin giving Barker a runout but it won’t happen.
If Bowyer is true to his rant, the midfield will be the same as on Friday so no point debating that. My issue is the three midgets up front. If you are going to play 4-3-3 (and first half Friday was as good as we have been for a while in relative terms), you can’t play Washington on his own in the middle of the three. It’s just not his game. For us to work 4-3-3 properly within our resources we need Chuks or Bogle to be the targetman. Tough on Washington who does loads of work, much of it unseen, but lacks quality. The only other selection issue for me is at fullback where Lee might chose to try one or two different full backs. I’m not a Purrington fan but with a pacy winger in front of him he can concentrate on defending. Maybe give Maatsen a rest as he’s looking flaky. Matthews for Gunter is a toss up for me although I don’t think Matthews has been the same player for us this season as he was last. Didn’t he re-sign as a last resort? Maybe one of those who is finding motivation hard to come by under the current circumstances. Pearce and Deji select themselves by default. I wouldn’t be agin giving Barker a runout but it won’t happen.
I thought our front three played well on Friday and created some good chances. The right tactics against Accrington IMO given the success that Ipswich had.
Curbishley would stop any rot by playing people in front of the fullbacks that could defend - often players that had been full backs. Just saying.
Amos, Purrington better choice at left back and adds extra height for set pieces. Gunter Oshilaja Pearce. Maatsen to midfield with JFC and Gilbey. Miller Washington and Aneke upfront.
A slice of luck is due, go for keeper not in good form as Baxter was last Friday and we will win.
I'm expecting we'll start with the same 4-3-3 formation, which I'm ok with, however I'd be happy with Sage's 5 at the back as well. Would prefer to see Aneke start and Shwarz to replace him for last half hour.
Our biggest problem at the moment however is the final ball and defensive errors. Not sure how either of those are fixed by Tuesday. Not sure if I can bring myself to watch but I suspect I'm too glutton for punishment. Happily take a draw right now frankly.
LB must make first team changes from Friday after his public scathing of soft! Kids at Arsenal turned their corner. One of Barker, Vennings for resting to bench Maatsen. What do you think has LB true faith in all his players.
Sadly @Sage won't be picking the team on Tuesday night so I expect more negativity and defeatism.
There is something fundamentally wrong somewhere. It's not just poor tactics or team selection, though that hasn't helped.
We have some very good players for this level who just don't look happy or confident. (Maatsen, Williams, Morgan and Gunter come to mind) . Why did Millar look so much more confident than the other ten players on Friday?
And I haven't seen much of Jacko. Has he been sacked?
smyth on for schwarz if knackered at half time - get on the front foot for christ sake
i don't expect this, i expect another clueless line up and a defeat
I assume Pearce and Oshi position is a mistake. I would not put a young player making his second outing on the wrong wing for him, I think Gunter is better than Mathews, Williams is poor. I think our midfield would be taken apart.
ask dazzler, i didn't put them on the wrong wings - your views don't surprise me
Great preview as always @Sage... Nice to be able to take a break for a game!!
Is the sort of team I'd go for - With such a shakey defence Id go with five at the back, not sure if I'd have them as wing-backs though
Only time I have to put the preview together.
I think we need to shore up at the back so 5 could be needed. How would you have them as a 5?
Exactly the same as how you've lined them up - With how Morgan was so ineffective yesterday I'd swap him for Gilbey
I had gone for the below in another thread but didnt think of Washington so would have him start ahead of Smyth
Amos Matthews . Gunter . Oshilaja . Pearce . Maatsen Forster-Caskey . Gilbey Miller Washington . Aneke
Only trouble (that I'm already aware of) is if you even go with that sort of formation where the wing-backs hold back as full-backs then you're already inviting a lot of space in front of them to the opposition - So think yours is better.
Other factor which isnt great though is the fact that regardless of who you pick between Gilbey / Morgan you're running the risk that both can go missing in games so unfortunately in the sense of protecting the defence Bowyer is almost picking the lesser of two evils
Does it not dawn on either of you preview guys to pick williams for one of the midfield roles? centre mid is his position and is the one you are saying we have no options in - as bad as bowyer - no wonder you're backing him
I cant talk for @Sage but my line-ups NEVER state what Id go with... Its a prediction so I'm trying to guess what Bowyer is going to select - Seeing that he's not picking Williams and wasnt impressed on Friday I dont see him changing that anytime soon
I even put in a disclaimer into my last Preview stating that, something even Muttley had to need to point out to you in that thread
i don't read the words, its too depressing
Try not to read yours either. Too much sniping at others or too much nonsense.
As @ForeverAddickted said, the teams are only ever what I would expect Bowyer to do, just like what he does in his own previews. You would know that if you ever bothered to read them.
You would also never have Williams as a two in midfield, especially as the midfielders we have available offer next to no protection to the defence as it is. In a 3 yes, as I have mentioned I’d have him in a 3 man midfield.
So what do I think of your team? Attacking personnel but with no real shape or organisation and if you think our midfield is overrun now, I dread to imagine what that personnel would offer in terms of any kind of stability.
again, your views don't surprise me but thanks for response - you, FA and redrobo will get the team and result your views lead to - same as bowyer
smyth on for schwarz if knackered at half time - get on the front foot for christ sake
i don't expect this, i expect another clueless line up and a defeat
Makes me laugh that the same people who absolutely slam Bowyer's tactics and team selection suggest a midfield made up entirely of 5 foot nothing attacking mids and no JFC (only CM tackling and showing up at the moment), at a time when we're shipping 2 goals a game.
I think Bowyer has made plenty of mistakes in recent weeks, but it just goes to show how clueless some of the outspoken critics are.
have you played much football? do you know how demoralising / demotivating it is for a team when there is no attacking intent / way to score a goal?
If Bowyer is true to his rant, the midfield will be the same as on Friday so no point debating that. My issue is the three midgets up front. If you are going to play 4-3-3 (and first half Friday was as good as we have been for a while in relative terms), you can’t play Washington on his own in the middle of the three. It’s just not his game. For us to work 4-3-3 properly within our resources we need Chuks or Bogle to be the targetman. Tough on Washington who does loads of work, much of it unseen, but lacks quality. The only other selection issue for me is at fullback where Lee might chose to try one or two different full backs. I’m not a Purrington fan but with a pacy winger in front of him he can concentrate on defending. Maybe give Maatsen a rest as he’s looking flaky. Matthews for Gunter is a toss up for me although I don’t think Matthews has been the same player for us this season as he was last. Didn’t he re-sign as a last resort? Maybe one of those who is finding motivation hard to come by under the current circumstances. Pearce and Deji select themselves by default. I wouldn’t be agin giving Barker a runout but it won’t happen.
I thought our front three played well on Friday and created some good chances. The right tactics against Accrington IMO given the success that Ipswich had.
Curbishley would stop any rot by playing people in front of the fullbacks that could defend - often players that had been full backs. Just saying.
laughable - we have been playing a defensive effort for the last 2 months
I see little point in trying to stop conceding goals, it aint going to happen at the moment. I would rather say ok they are going to score 2 so we need to score 3, best chance of getting the points at the moment for me
LB must make first team changes from Friday after his public scathing of soft! Kids at Arsenal turned their corner. One of Barker, Vennings for resting to bench Maatsen. What do you think has LB true faith in all his players.
Barker, Henry and Vennings are not playing for the under 21s today. Could be nothing, could mean they are in contention for the squad tomorrow night
I see little point in trying to stop conceding goals, it aint going to happen at the moment. I would rather say ok they are going to score 2 so we need to score 3, best chance of getting the points at the moment for me
Why? If players switch on for ninety plus minutes, cut out the stupid mistakes and those selected do their jobs properly don't concede and we only need to score one goal failing which we've got what we started with, a point.
I still think we can make top six and Tuesday will be the beginning of the comeback. Famewo back soon, then Innis, Pratley in his proper position in midfield, Millar looking good and Ronnie poised, and even Alfie back on loan (maybe fit for the last ten games or so?). COYR!!
I see little point in trying to stop conceding goals, it aint going to happen at the moment. I would rather say ok they are going to score 2 so we need to score 3, best chance of getting the points at the moment for me
Why? If players switch on for ninety plus minutes, cut out the stupid mistakes and those selected do their jobs properly don't concede and we only need to score one goal failing which we've got what we started with, a point.
Ok but can you see that happening at the moment ? I just cant see much of a chance that we are not going to concede atleast 1 goal at the moment.
I still think we can make top six and Tuesday will be the beginning of the comeback. Famewo back soon, then Innis, Pratley in his proper position in midfield, Millar looking good and Ronnie poised, and even Alfie back on loan (maybe fit for the last ten games or so?). COYR!!
Agreed. Look back at the 2017/8 season and look some of our terrible results and form. 4 wins in about 17 matches during the winter months. Twenty wins throughout the season will make up close to the top 6.
I see little point in trying to stop conceding goals, it aint going to happen at the moment. I would rather say ok they are going to score 2 so we need to score 3, best chance of getting the points at the moment for me
Why? If players switch on for ninety plus minutes, cut out the stupid mistakes and those selected do their jobs properly don't concede and we only need to score one goal failing which we've got what we started with, a point.
Ok but can you see that happening at the moment ? I just cant see much of a chance that we are not going to concede atleast 1 goal at the moment.
My glass is nearly always half full Andy try it, just leave the tap running a little longer
LB must make first team changes from Friday after his public scathing of soft! Kids at Arsenal turned their corner. One of Barker, Vennings for resting to bench Maatsen. What do you think has LB true faith in all his players.
Barker, Henry and Vennings are not playing for the under 21s today. Could be nothing, could mean they are in contention for the squad tomorrow night
I think Vennings is injured. Has Barker been playing for the 23’s? Henry is also just 17/18, he might just be not selected for the 23’s
LB must make first team changes from Friday after his public scathing of soft! Kids at Arsenal turned their corner. One of Barker, Vennings for resting to bench Maatsen. What do you think has LB true faith in all his players.
Barker, Henry and Vennings are not playing for the under 21s today. Could be nothing, could mean they are in contention for the squad tomorrow night
I think Vennings is injured. Has Barker been playing for the 23’s? Henry is also just 17/18, he might just be not selected for the 23’s
smyth on for schwarz if knackered at half time - get on the front foot for christ sake
i don't expect this, i expect another clueless line up and a defeat
Makes me laugh that the same people who absolutely slam Bowyer's tactics and team selection suggest a midfield made up entirely of 5 foot nothing attacking mids and no JFC (only CM tackling and showing up at the moment), at a time when we're shipping 2 goals a game.
I think Bowyer has made plenty of mistakes in recent weeks, but it just goes to show how clueless some of the outspoken critics are.
have you played much football? do you know how demoralising / demotivating it is for a team when there is no attacking intent / way to score a goal?
I think Bowyer should set us out with more attacking intent at times but I'm not naive enough to think a 4-4-2 with 4 attacking midfielders and no anchor would work in a million years. If teams have broken through us with the ease they have in recent weeks it would be off the scale with a Morgan-Williams midfield pairing and wingers either side.
I wouldn't mind your childish tactical ideas (none of us our experts, even though your suggestion is particularly bizarre) if you didn't go around calling Bowyer and everyone else clueless every 5 minutes.
I see little point in trying to stop conceding goals, it aint going to happen at the moment. I would rather say ok they are going to score 2 so we need to score 3, best chance of getting the points at the moment for me
Why? If players switch on for ninety plus minutes, cut out the stupid mistakes and those selected do their jobs properly don't concede and we only need to score one goal failing which we've got what we started with, a point.
Ok but can you see that happening at the moment ? I just cant see much of a chance that we are not going to concede atleast 1 goal at the moment.
My glass is nearly always half full Andy try it, just leave the tap running a little longer
Haha mate I'm normally a total optimist concerning all thing Charlton however until we get some defenders back or the ones we have available find a way to get some confidence I dont think there is a chance in hell we are not conceding, which means somehow we need to score 2 minimum and that isnt going to happen playing poor old Washington up there on his own chasing anything that moves
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don’t know if anyone has noticed but Sunderland are still in this league and have spent way more than we have so it’s not a given we are going to get out this league.
teams know we are going to do it now they press us high like Accrington did I lost count how many times the ball was played to Mattsen and he just hoofed it straight up the park to a Accrington player. We might as well just let Amos do that.
Makes me laugh that the same people who absolutely slam Bowyer's tactics and team selection suggest a midfield made up entirely of 5 foot nothing attacking mids and no JFC (only CM tackling and showing up at the moment), at a time when we're shipping 2 goals a game.
I think Bowyer has made plenty of mistakes in recent weeks, but it just goes to show how clueless some of the outspoken critics are.
1-1 or 1-2.
Morgan the tallest of the Doucher's midfield at just shy of 5ft 11. Williams and Maatsen the short ones and Millar average for a midfielder.
According to Wiki
Millar = 176cm 5ft 9
Morgan = 180cm 5ft 10.8
Williams = 168cm 5ft 6
Maatsen = 173cm 5ft 8
Interesting link on player heights: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41818468
don't care how they do it, but we need to be solid and grind out a win somehow.....
Curbishley would stop any rot by playing people in front of the fullbacks that could defend - often players that had been full backs. Just saying.
Our biggest problem at the moment however is the final ball and defensive errors. Not sure how either of those are fixed by Tuesday. Not sure if I can bring myself to watch but I suspect I'm too glutton for punishment. Happily take a draw right now frankly.
Sadly @Sage won't be picking the team on Tuesday night so I expect more negativity and defeatism.
There is something fundamentally wrong somewhere. It's not just poor tactics or team selection, though that hasn't helped.
We have some very good players for this level who just don't look happy or confident. (Maatsen, Williams, Morgan and Gunter come to mind) . Why did Millar look so much more confident than the other ten players on Friday?
And I haven't seen much of Jacko. Has he been sacked?
again, your views don't surprise me but thanks for response - you, FA and redrobo will get the team and result your views lead to - same as bowyer
have you played much football? do you know how demoralising / demotivating it is for a team when there is no attacking intent / way to score a goal?
laughable - we have been playing a defensive effort for the last 2 months
I wouldn't mind your childish tactical ideas (none of us our experts, even though your suggestion is particularly bizarre) if you didn't go around calling Bowyer and everyone else clueless every 5 minutes.