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Football kits and colour blindness.

SillybillySillybilly
in Other Football and Sports
As a colour blind person I’m finding the Liverpool Man U game almost impossible to watch as the only discernible difference between the two kits is the socks unless I’m in close up. Why do they do this?  Man U have away kits in blue or white/snazzy black bits.  Or do they just not do their research?  Not an unusual issue either. There are many forms of colour blindness so it will affect different people in different ways. I’m red/green or so I’m told but shades of red or shade of blue/purple or green/brown are a mystery to me. Any others have this issue?
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  • iainmentiainment
    Would it be easier if you made the picture black and white?
  • Covered EndCovered End
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
  • dmjndmjn
    Iirc when we (Ireland) played Wales a few months back they wore a yellow kit instead of their red one for this reason 
  • ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    I’ve never understood why we sing come on you reds when we wear that lovely green shirt. I guess it what makes Charlton special.
  • MarcusH26MarcusH26
    I'm also Red Green Colourblind and find the Liverpool game really tough to watch.

    Although the worst I've seen was Russia Vs Saudi Arabia in the world cup a couple of years back! 
  • SillybillySillybilly
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
  • SillybillySillybilly
    Sorry, meant to quote @ianment rather than @Covered End there.   That’s not colour blindness, just old age!
  • SillybillySillybilly
    dmjn said:
    Iirc when we (Ireland) played Wales a few months back they wore a yellow kit instead of their red one for this reason 
    Wales/Ireland at rugby was always one of the biggest bummers for colour blind people. Back in the day when rugby kits were plain, one played in red shirts, white shorts and red socks, the other in green shirts, white shorts and green socks.  Virtually impossible to tell the difference. 
  • se9addickse9addick
    Ross said:
    Tbf for this match it’s easy to distinguish the 2 teams: the team with the ball is Liverpool, the team without is Man United.
    Or, the team that has been offside about 870 times is Man United! 
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  • sam3110sam3110
    It's why most of the world cup games were "dark Vs light" when it came to kits, and NBA teams all have a white uniform and a coloured uniform (with the exception of Lakers with a yellow kit and a darker kit)
  • orpingtonREDorpingtonRED
    Sillybilly said:
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
    I have learnt something today thanks.
    Do you see the pitch as green always? So any other kits with green just blend in and its all down to tone? 
  • Dazzler21Dazzler21
    You cater for the masses not the few. The old 80/20 rule
  • SillybillySillybilly
    orpingtonRED said:
    Sillybilly said:
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
    I have learnt something today thanks.
    Do you see the pitch as green always? So any other kits with green just blend in and its all down to tone? 
    Pretty much. The pitch is glorious green. As long as kits are markedly different shades I have no problem. Black, yellow, blue, red etc. Easy peasy.  It’s when they are all in the same shade spectrum that it becomes harder. So although the Man U grey and the Liverpool red are clearly different colours when seen close up and next to each other, at normal viewing there is nothing in shade differential that sets them apart other than the socks. 
  • North Lower NeilNorth Lower Neil
    Only found out recently Matt Holland is colour blind.
  • RossRoss
    edited January 2021
    sam3110 said:
    It's why most of the world cup games were "dark Vs light" when it came to kits, and NBA teams all have a white uniform and a coloured uniform (with the exception of Lakers with a yellow kit and a darker kit)
    Although the Lakers do have a white uniform now as their association jersey. Was previously an alternate since 2003.
  • DaveMehmetDaveMehmet
    North Lower Neil said:
    Only found out recently Matt Holland is colour blind.
    Did he look at his shirt at the end of a game and think it was dirty?
  • lordromfordlordromford
    @Sillybilly did you see the post on the Twitter thread about the glasses for a colourblind guy? Are these something that would be useful for you or is it not really practical? Maybe they only work for certain types of colourblindness?
  • ricky_ottoricky_otto
    DaveMehmet said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    Only found out recently Matt Holland is colour blind.
    Did he look at his shirt at the end of a game and think it was dirty?
    Captain clean shorts - I can see now it was all made up. 
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    edited January 2021
    Talking of problems seeing the players...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55692314


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  • Covered EndCovered End
    edited January 2021
    Sillybilly said:
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
    Yes I've got it as well.
    Green/blue & red/brown issues in poor light.
    I also struggle when Newcastle play Sunderland, both in stripes. 
    I can rarely see those numbers or whatever is in the picture of all those coloured dots, in colour blind tests.
  • SillybillySillybilly
    lordromford said:
    @Sillybilly did you see the post on the Twitter thread about the glasses for a colourblind guy? Are these something that would be useful for you or is it not really practical? Maybe they only work for certain types of colourblindness?
    Not seen that. Will have a look. Cheers. 
  • SillybillySillybilly
    Covered End said:
    Sillybilly said:
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
    Yes I've got it as well.
    Green/blue & red/brown issues in poor light.
    I also struggle when Newcastle play Sunderland, both in stripes. 
    Yup. That’s a particular favourite as well. 
  • orpingtonREDorpingtonRED
    Sillybilly said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Sillybilly said:
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    No.  It’s a brain labelling thing. Generally people with my prescription can “see” different colours in the same way as a normal sighted person but the brain doesn’t know which label to put on it. So I don’t see in black and white which is a common misconception. The problems arise when different colours have similar pigments (like blue and purple, green and brown etc) or similar degrees of “darkness” (like red and grey as per today’s particular issue). 
    I have learnt something today thanks.
    Do you see the pitch as green always? So any other kits with green just blend in and its all down to tone? 
    Pretty much. The pitch is glorious green. As long as kits are markedly different shades I have no problem. Black, yellow, blue, red etc. Easy peasy.  It’s when they are all in the same shade spectrum that it becomes harder. So although the Man U grey and the Liverpool red are clearly different colours when seen close up and next to each other, at normal viewing there is nothing in shade differential that sets them apart other than the socks. 

    I remember a few years ago there was "that dress picture" that some people seen one colour and some seen another. I think it was down to the dye used or something that tricked the brain. So I looked into the football kits and how many were tested under UV lights etc and majority were but still quite a few manufacturers were not at that time.
    I know this is not colour blind related but found it fascinating.
    Lucky you support us and not Norwich.
    Spurs played in green earlier today. Did you see any of that?
  • lordromfordlordromford
    Sillybilly said:
    lordromford said:
    @Sillybilly did you see the post on the Twitter thread about the glasses for a colourblind guy? Are these something that would be useful for you or is it not really practical? Maybe they only work for certain types of colourblindness?
    Not seen that. Will have a look. Cheers. 
    This is it:
    stackitsteve said:

  • ForeverAddicktedForeverAddickted
    killerandflash said:
    Talking of problems seeing the players...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55692314


    Can see six players in white?
  • NorthheathAddickNorthheathAddick
    I can make out 7...
  • iaitchiaitch
    Covered End said:
    For those watching in black and white, Liverpool are playing in red.
    For those watching in black and white the game was just as shit in colour.
  • AlgarveaddickAlgarveaddick
    Dazzler21 said:
    You cater for the masses not the few. The old 80/20 rule
    I am sure you are tongue in cheek Daz. But what does it matter to the 80 what colour the teams are wearing? If they can make it easier for the colourblind, it makes no difference to us...     
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