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Referee Darren Drysdale
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It’s better not perfect, and the edited version you get from mic’ed up refs in Super League, Premiership etc isn’t what’s really said on a pitch.Dazzler21 said:
Treatment & respect of refs is much better, but some of the stuff that gets missed is quite nasty.Rothko said:Anyone who thinks Rugby is a perfect world, has never played rugbyYour life in Rugby is very much in a referees hands, maybe that helps, but there is as much industrial language thrown around on a pitch as there is in football0 -
Uriah Rennie was great at getting between players before things kicked off.
He was a Black belt and can't remember any players getting in his face !0 -
My mate was on the line for the game last night and he heavily backed the ref said judge is a gobby6
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No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!1 -
I played rugby for years and I don't think I ever said anything to a referee during a game other than 'yes sir' when I was being spoken to. Not to make myself sound whiter than white but even speaking to referees if you weren't the captain got you and your teammates penalised. Football referees I never argued with, not because of my time spent on a rugby pitch but because I didnt see the point when I was younger and as I got older I was very aware we had no football of we had no referees.Rothko said:
It’s better not perfect, and the edited version you get from mic’ed up refs in Super League, Premiership etc isn’t what’s really said on a pitch.Dazzler21 said:
Treatment & respect of refs is much better, but some of the stuff that gets missed is quite nasty.Rothko said:Anyone who thinks Rugby is a perfect world, has never played rugbyYour life in Rugby is very much in a referees hands, maybe that helps, but there is as much industrial language thrown around on a pitch as there is in football
That said
Its about boundaries, anyone who played in the Rochester and District leagues up until id guess the mid 2000s would have been refereed by a guy called Geoff Ford who would not hesitate to send you off for swearing even at yourself in frustration, so we knew and knew that arguing with him or swearing wasn't just pointless it was costly. The flip side is he would let any tackle go, he booked a few players for diving he hated that and booked on guy I'd cleaned out for making a meal of it. You knew he would take no mouth and we all accepted it
Players who are allowed to gob off at referees unpunished have not had a boundary set, for me personally any game I've refereed mainly up to under 15s I make it crystal clear that any bullshit, whinging, appealing anything like that I will send people off for. To be fair the kids were always fine it was parents that were the problem.
Fair play to the ref, he is a human being and they have to put up with this shit all the time, he didn't nut Judge ffs he showed he wasn't going to be confronted like that and good on him, hope the league backs him.
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I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!2 -
Fair enough but can you honestly remember retrospective action being taken on abuse of an official?cafcdave123 said:
I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!
Or even an official sending a player off there and then? Also we dont know what Judge actually said. We are all human and for a split second you forget where you are and what you should do in a situation like that.0 -
I was agreeing with you - nothing to do with "principle" though or being in the military.SporadicAddick said:
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I'm from a different country but the military people I know are just as prone to be bullies and small-men as the rest of society so I guess you're correct.SporadicAddick said:
If he is like any of the military people I know, then yes, he would.SpicedAddick said:Rush of blood, shouldn't have done it.
It's a referee's job to calm and diffuse a situation not create one where there isn't one.
Alan Judge is about 5 ft 7 in, I wonder if Darren would be as quick to square up to someone like Ryan Inniss.
Furthermore he's surely a target for other players to wind up now.
You asked if the ref would stand up to a bigger player - I suggested he would. It has nothing to do with being a bully or being small, and everything to do with standing up for yourself on principle, irrespective of the size or otherwise of the opponent.0 -
king addick said:Fair enough but can you honestly remember retrospective action being taken on abuse of an official?cafcdave123 said:
I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!
Or even an official sending a player off there and then? Also we dont know what Judge actually said. We are all human and for a split second you forget where you are and what you should do in a situation like that.
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The comedy fall and crawl still crack me up, as Well as the final wounded look back up at Di Canio.bobmunro said:king addick said:Fair enough but can you honestly remember retrospective action being taken on abuse of an official?cafcdave123 said:
I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!
Or even an official sending a player off there and then? Also we dont know what Judge actually said. We are all human and for a split second you forget where you are and what you should do in a situation like that.
11 match ban!0 -
But then if Judge had overstepped the line, the ref should have just given him a second yellow and sent him offpalarsehater said:My mate was on the line for the game last night and he heavily backed the ref said judge is a gobby5 -
Just shows the player was in the wrongbobmunro said:king addick said:Fair enough but can you honestly remember retrospective action being taken on abuse of an official?cafcdave123 said:
I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!
Or even an official sending a player off there and then? Also we dont know what Judge actually said. We are all human and for a split second you forget where you are and what you should do in a situation like that.
11 match ban!
But how long was that ago!! Though thanks for sharing...the way he falls is always good for a laugh!0 -
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- "using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures" is a sending off offence.
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Not perfect but much better where the referee is concernedRothko said:Anyone who thinks Rugby is a perfect world, has never played rugby2 -
We definitely need to replicate the way rugby is refereed. I can see why people like this, but what if the player is a 6 foot 4 shitehouse wall and the ref is 5'9" and getting on a bit? As soon as the ability to lamp someone becomes the criteria for how much authority you have we are fucked.3
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He's said sorry, move on.killerandflash said:
Imagine if players had to publicly apologise every time they acted out of turn. Be endless.7 -
I think it's direct abuse or suggestions of cheating that carry the most punishment, with effing and blinding not in itself a cautionable offenceAddick Addict said:- "using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures" is a sending off offence.
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Must admit to being a bit disappointed Drysdale apologised when there are so many Makro's car parks around.2
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All joking aside and obviously Drysdale professionally overstepped the mark and has quite rightly apologized.
But when we are in a world where everyday a football player is (quite rightly) asking for something to be done about the abuse they receive on social media. Isn’t it a tad hypocritical for them to then still be giving dogs abuse to refs when they’re not happy with decisions 🤷♀️12 -
massively blown out of proportion - ref has apologised, will probably be taken out of the firing line for a couple of weeks.
Lambert wants to be questioning his player not the ref.
EFL and FA should be backing the ref and calling for clubs to control their players better3 -
The only incident I can recall of a referee getting one from a player was when Neil Back of Leicester (and England) pushed the referee in frustration during the Cup Final v Bath. This was back in the mid 1990s. Back got a six month ban, but as this included the close season was not quite as draconian as it might seemPrincessFiona said:
Not perfect but much better where the referee is concernedRothko said:Anyone who thinks Rugby is a perfect world, has never played rugby0 -
And the gobby Gills managerValleyGary said:
He's said sorry, move on.killerandflash said:
Imagine if players had to publicly apologise every time they acted out of turn. Be endless.0 -
I agree, but the FA need to lead on it. Make players aware of the rules and consequences, instruct the ref to follow the instructions and punish. In fairness I'm not massive familiar with the general rules, i.e what warrants a yellow/red card but I do know they're clearly not firm enough. When I spoke to one of the ex refs last summer he said you have to detail the decision very thoroughly in the match report. I bet a lot of refs can't be asked to do it with the rules not being easy to follow. It' not just the players either, the managers go mental on the sidelines.bobmunro said:
If it was punished consistently and every time then the behaviour would change.cafcfan1990 said:
Do they get punished though. Every game I watch I see players abusing the ref. If the ref was to start producing cards every time it happened a lot of games would be abandoned. I don't think the FA would support the refs handing out 5/6 cards per match for it. So in that respect they have to take a lot of abuse before showing the card. Admittedly last night was probably one of those times that the card could have come out as the punishment.bobmunro said:Referees have to be above this sort of behaviour as they are the ones punishing that very behaviour amongst the players. They have two coloured cards in their pockets to assist them.
Totally unprofessional.
Only the captain should be able to approach the referee unless the referee requests another player to approach him. Egg chasers have it covered.
There's so much money involved I can understand the emotions involved in the Premier League. I also don't think VAR has helped things. Celebrating a goal and then it's chalked off because you haven't cut your nails in a while is bound to cheese you off and the refs get that anger even when it's not their decision.0 -
To be honest lets now hear Judge apologise too?ValleyGary said:
He's said sorry, move on.killerandflash said:
Imagine if players had to publicly apologise every time they acted out of turn. Be endless.
But again the player will get away with saying / doing what ever they want, especially as he didnt get sent off so hasnt been punished4 -
Although possible understandable - who knows what he's going through in his personal life - he's a professional referee.
He should have just laughed off the abuse and sent the little shit off.1 -
Every time I see this I think the ref made too much of it (seriously)bobmunro said:king addick said:Fair enough but can you honestly remember retrospective action being taken on abuse of an official?cafcdave123 said:
I think this point is getting missed, it doesn't matter what the player says or does or that players in general get away with shouting and swearing at refs, there are set rules on how to discipline players and getting in their faces isn't one of them.bobmunro said:
No it isn’t ok - and the way to deal with it professionally using the provided disciplinary procedure. In this case it is a card followed by details of the incident in the referee’s match report.king addick said:
So its okay for someone to be abused for a certain amount of time for doing his job? I am sure its not in the job description that you will be abused.bobmunro said:
Co-worker? The ref is supposed to be in charge.king addick said:The amount of shit Refs get is ridiculous...Would it be normal to call your co-worker a fucking wanker or something to his face & not expect grief back.
Dont blame him for sticking up for himself....No one gets paid enough to be spoken too like a bit of shit for 90 minutes.
The law of the jungle is not appropriate for any profession.
Ive played football and I have disagreed with decisions to the tone of "fucking hell ref" but never insulted them personally.
If he stands up for himself and gives it back...might show whos in charge!!
Or even an official sending a player off there and then? Also we dont know what Judge actually said. We are all human and for a split second you forget where you are and what you should do in a situation like that.
11 match ban!
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Question as I'm genuinely interested in people's views on this.
Years ago I was playing a game, half decent level, neutral view, cup game. Corner/cross came in, our big CB went for it with one of there lads and I came in behind, beating another of theres to nod in. Ref disallowed it for a foul. When I asked who fouled, he just said he'd made his decision. A couple of ours were shouting at him, he just said he'd made his decision and walked off. All four players were close together, I think it was the wrong decision but that's irrelevant to the question.
Now do you think in this position the ref should quickly inform the player(s) of his decision. Or do you think it was irrelevant as he'd made his decision? Just interested to hear people's thoughts. Personally I think he should have said which one but I also appreciate the ref was just trying to stamp his authority on the game. For me though I just lost a bit of respect for him straight away.
Answer possibly be he quickly tells the captains but then that can slow the game if he has to call them towards him.1 -
No, you make a decision like that you tell people what its for. Until there is a rule only captains speak to referees the players can respectfully ask what the decision was for
"Your number 6 pushed their number 10" nice and easy. If you question his decision which isn't going to change, and he says that's my decision then fair enough2
