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  • edited February 2022
    Few things here, wrestling isn't in a slump. WWE is making huge money. Reigns is surely a big star as well.

    Austin can't bump so will have to win. His opponent will have to be someone who won't get hurt by a loss, similar to Bret V VKM. An Austin return will be a big deal but isn't 'mania selling out before any of the card is announced or is that no longer the case? If he returns expect Saudi Ariba! 
    Mania hasn't sold out because its two days in the same stadium, so double the number of tickets for half the card. 

    Hence headlining night 4 of a buy one get one free extravaganza, has CM Punk might say.

    Reigns and Lasner are the only two big stars the WWE have and neither of them were made. 
  • Great match, as was the following Raw with the Bret v Sid match restarting 3 times. 
  • Great match, as was the following Raw with the Bret v Sid match restarting 3 times. 
    I have got the PPV on VHS somewhere..... 
  • edited February 2022
    The problem with WWE is they don't want to build stars too much, so they have people flip flop between the PPVs and they go through a lot of 50/50 booking. Guys that are about to have a title match in 3 weeks will have a couple of matches beforehand, where they beat eachother in consecutive weeks, or team up with other people that are also feuding and have a tag team match. It kills the momentum of most of the wrestlers, and doesn't create a big fight feel. To avoid that they also try and do it another way, where they set up matches early to sell the tickets, so you'll know that Goldberg and Roman Reigns are having a match like 6 weeks before, but they won't let them wrestle eachother, so they just have endless promos against eachother. 

    In Kevin, Seth, Randy, Roman, Drew, Bobby, Brock and then in Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, Bianca and Sasha, they have enough people who could be absolutely huge stars who are spoken about in the same sentence as HBK, SCSA, The Rock, HHH, Flair, Undertaker and the rest.

    They just don't want to
  • Owens is a skilled enough worker so would be able to sell it
  • Few things here, wrestling isn't in a slump. WWE is making huge money. Reigns is surely a big star as well.

    Austin can't bump so will have to win. His opponent will have to be someone who won't get hurt by a loss, similar to Bret V VKM. An Austin return will be a big deal but isn't 'mania selling out before any of the card is announced or is that no longer the case? If he returns expect Saudi Ariba! 

    All the main headliners have now retired, or they are on the verge of it.

    The big names have proven to be irreplaceable.

    I have no direct idea about the companies financial status. I think Vince McMahon is a genius and has done very well in keeping it alive. It has faced a lot of challenges
  • Dave2l said:
    Few things here, wrestling isn't in a slump. WWE is making huge money. Reigns is surely a big star as well.

    Austin can't bump so will have to win. His opponent will have to be someone who won't get hurt by a loss, similar to Bret V VKM. An Austin return will be a big deal but isn't 'mania selling out before any of the card is announced or is that no longer the case? If he returns expect Saudi Ariba! 

    All the main headliners have now retired, or they are on the verge of it.

    The big names have proven to be irreplaceable.

    I have no direct idea about the companies financial status. I think Vince McMahon is a genius and has done very well in keeping it alive. It has faced a lot of challenges
    WWE recorded record profits recently, whilst cutting a shit tonne of in ring talent and backroom staff. Most of their revenue is through TV deals, subscriptions and merchandise now I would imagine
  • Dave2l said:
    Few things here, wrestling isn't in a slump. WWE is making huge money. Reigns is surely a big star as well.

    Austin can't bump so will have to win. His opponent will have to be someone who won't get hurt by a loss, similar to Bret V VKM. An Austin return will be a big deal but isn't 'mania selling out before any of the card is announced or is that no longer the case? If he returns expect Saudi Ariba! 

    All the main headliners have now retired, or they are on the verge of it.

    The big names have proven to be irreplaceable.

    I have no direct idea about the companies financial status. I think Vince McMahon is a genius and has done very well in keeping it alive. It has faced a lot of challenges
    Vince is a genius.  He is/was a ruthless negotiater, a visionary promoter and is able to sell ice to Eskimos.

    He isn't, and never has been, a wrestling visionary or great booker.  He has never really understood why what works works  because he has no outside frame of reference.

    He has never watched any other wrestling nor has he ever had any intrest in any pop culture.

    He get accused of burying talent or ideas that he didn't "create", that's because he had no idea why they were popular in the first place. 
  • Now this is a card, including Bradford's own Scott McGee.



    Not sure how many forbidden doors that knocked down..... 
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  • And Bromley's own Lord Alfred Hayes!
  • And Bromley's own Lord Alfred Hayes!
    I didn't know old Judo was from Bromley.  That's made my day. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    And Bromley's own Lord Alfred Hayes!
    I didn't know old Judo was from Bromley.  That's made my day. 
    I found out from the book The Bromley Boys. He lived next door to Dave Roberts.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    And Bromley's own Lord Alfred Hayes!
    I didn't know old Judo was from Bromley.  That's made my day. 
    I found out from the book The Bromley Boys. He lived next door to Dave Roberts.
    It's on my pile of books to read, although that will probably take the rest of my natural life..... 

    On a complete change of subject just catching up on the last 4 weeks of Dynamite.  Two questions. 

    When was there a better fude than Punk MJF?

    How does doing the job to the company mascot get you a world title shot? 
  • Ciampa v Gargano was the previous great one. Sadly we're now at a stage of looking back and reminiscing how good NXT was.

    Jericho v MJF was amazing and probably overlooked now. For all the talent AEW bring in their best star was a relative unknown plucked from the indies.
  • Ciampa v Gargano was the previous great one. Sadly we're now at a stage of looking back and reminiscing how good NXT was.

    Jericho v MJF was amazing and probably overlooked now. For all the talent AEW bring in their best star was a relative unknown plucked from the indies.
    Jericho v MJF was booked arse backwards.  They could have made so much more of it.  And the wrong person won. 

    I was watching this weeks MJF v Punk promo last night.  I can't remember a heel since Mr McMahon that I just want to see get his arse kicked.  It's brilliant.  I can't think of anyone who is as good a natural heel in the last 20 years? 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Ciampa v Gargano was the previous great one. Sadly we're now at a stage of looking back and reminiscing how good NXT was.

    Jericho v MJF was amazing and probably overlooked now. For all the talent AEW bring in their best star was a relative unknown plucked from the indies.
    Jericho v MJF was booked arse backwards.  They could have made so much more of it.  And the wrong person won. 

    I was watching this weeks MJF v Punk promo last night.  I can't remember a heel since Mr McMahon that I just want to see get his arse kicked.  It's brilliant.  I can't think of anyone who is as good a natural heel in the last 20 years? 
    Cena? ;) 

    Daniel Bryan was a superb heel during his last WWE run. No one seemed to want to cheer him which is crazy when you consider how over he was as a face. Sure there are more but he was the first that came to mind. 
  • edited February 2022
    Edge with Vicki Guerrero was a pretty great heel.

    Miz has always been a great heel, he's got such a punchable face and a horrible nasally voice
  • At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Ciampa was a great heel. Now NXT 2.0 have a second rate MJF/Miz in Grayson Waller. :/

    If we're going for Cena (great shout) how about Eva Marie?!

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  • It's in Texas isn't it? 
  • At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Ciampa was a great heel. Now NXT 2.0 have a second rate MJF/Miz in Grayson Waller. :/

    If we're going for Cena (great shout) how about Eva Marie?!
    MJF has made me hate him, in a mark type way, like no one has for years and years. 
  • The observer awards have been announced 🙄🙄🙄
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    The observer awards have been announced 🙄🙄🙄
    Lots of AEW dick sucking and WWE slandering in it, what a surprise
  • Not surprised that The Bucks Vs Penta and Fenix won match of the year. I thought it was terrible and looking at some of the matches it beat, it's embarrassing that it could be No.1.  
  • Not surprised that The Bucks Vs Penta and Fenix won match of the year. I thought it was terrible and looking at some of the matches it beat, it's embarrassing that it could be No.1.  
    It wasn't even the best match on the card.... 

    Did the hangman omega actually have enough to consider it a fued? 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Not surprised that The Bucks Vs Penta and Fenix won match of the year. I thought it was terrible and looking at some of the matches it beat, it's embarrassing that it could be No.1.  
    It wasn't even the best match on the card.... 

    Did the hangman omega actually have enough to consider it a fued? 

    Yes, started after they lost the tag titles to FTR which led to the forming of the Super Elite and Omega returning to the bout machine and Page associating with Dark Order, the polar opposite of The Super Elite.

    Did WWE win any awards?!
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Not surprised that The Bucks Vs Penta and Fenix won match of the year. I thought it was terrible and looking at some of the matches it beat, it's embarrassing that it could be No.1.  
    It wasn't even the best match on the card.... 

    Did the hangman omega actually have enough to consider it a fued? 

    Yes, started after they lost the tag titles to FTR which led to the forming of the Super Elite and Omega returning to the bout machine and Page associating with Dark Order, the polar opposite of The Super Elite.

    Did WWE win any awards?!
    Reigns won gimmick of the year.......

    The story line of Page and Omega went on for years but I don't remember them having much to do with each other on a weekly basis, apart from that cluster of a 10 man (which I tried to forget).  Maybe I just forgot about it, which says a lot. 
  • You do all realise the awards are voted for by subscribers? 
  • West2003 said:
    You do all realise the awards are voted for by subscribers? 
    Yeah, and they are only agreeing with what The Observer tells them. 

    Biggest Box Office Draw: CM Punk beats John Cena.....
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